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[Blacklash93]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

I suppose it is if you're a sore Cerberus fanboy who likes to make the whole game look bad at every opportunity.

Oh cry me a river and dig me a ditch.

You've been doing that for over 3 months. The Mississippi pales in comparison at this point.

[jtsherrard]

In the recent book, they talk of how Cerberus is doing guerilla recruiting. Maybe recruitment month went well. Esp with indoctrination as it is

[WarGriffin]

the thing that really kick starts Cerberus' power is the recovering of Paul Grayson's body

that and TIM isn't above picking random people off the street and turning them into monsters

[incinerator950]

Its great knowing Saphra represents the rest of us so well.

[Corvus Metus]

Because I'd imagine that most people, even many renegades, want to kill the **** out of Cerberus after being forced to work with them. Lord knows I want to.

[Vennie91]

Cerberus should always have been as strong as they are (apparently) portrayed as in ME3.

The ME2 story made absolutely no sense to me except the final boss fight.

Resurrected by Cerberus, out of all people, after destroying their Thorian and Rachni experiments, exposing their assassination of Admiral Kahoku, screwing around with Thresher Maws, and who knows what other atrocities? Then suddenly they are like "Oh hi, now that you're alive, go check out this colony for us please".

Then they put you in the command of an expensive, high-tech vessel just like that?

I'm glad Cerberus is an antagonist in ME3, even if the sudden turncoat move of "Oh we actually hate you Shepard" doesn't make any more sense than the ME2 story did.

Modifié par Vennie91, 25 février 2012 - 10:00 .

[Nodnol88]

Short answer; money.

Coupled with TIM's shrewd business conduct.

[Mhorhe83]

So constructing the highest tech, cruiser equivalent stealth frigate, AND bringing a dead man back to life intact was not the hallmark of an incredibly powerful organization?..

Ever since ME 1, you know Cerberus have their grubby fingers in a lot of pies. Even with the resources poured into Operation Lazarus and the Normandy SR 2, they could have only gone up. There's no Shep preying on their hidden operations in ME 2, quite the contrary - Shep is working for them. There's no reason to believe Cerberus became weaker after ME 2.

Then you've got TIM who, love him or hate him, is a bloody genius.

Then you've got the fact that Cerberus has always been secretly funded by human nationalists, so to speak. Regardless of how you finish the ME 1 endgame, there's no reason to believe they would be funded LESS in ME 2. Because these people would think like this:

1) if you saved the Council, a lot of people would see it as sacrifice of human life to preserve aliens. Remember that reporter?.. yeah, like that.

2) if you let the Council die, alien anti-human feelings are strong. All the more reason to have a strong humans-first shady organization that is not above any means of achieving supremacy.

Then you've got the fact Cerberus has access to Reaper tech.

Then, and most importantly for the NUMBERS of Cerberus operatives: Cerberus is now at least partially under Reaper control. Put simply, you take a thug with a some nice juicy cash upfront, then you get him partially indoctrinated and fanatically under your control.

It really doesn't seem much of a stretch to me.

[Tup3x]

Reaper influence.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Illusive Man is incredibly wealthy and funds it with his own money. He's like the Ross Perot of incompetent terrorists.

...that, or mass effect fields.

Modifié par Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut, 25 février 2012 - 12:58 .

[Arppis]

Evil is powerful, but courage is SOLID!

[jbblue05]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Mhorhe83 wrote...

So constructing the highest tech, cruiser equivalent stealth frigate, AND bringing a dead man back to life intact was not the hallmark of an incredibly powerful organization?..

Ever since ME 1, you know Cerberus have their grubby fingers in a lot of pies. Even with the resources poured into Operation Lazarus and the Normandy SR 2, they could have only gone up. There's no Shep preying on their hidden operations in ME 2,

The SR2 and Lazarus were huge investments. There is Overlord as well and the derelict Reaper team. Then in Retribution they lose a lot of their front companies, spies, and research bases.

Are the events of Retribution mention in ME3, from what I saw of the ME3 demo it seems like its being ignored.  For instance Admiral Anderson was a social pariah within the Alliance now he is an Alliance HQ  pulling strings to get Shepard preferential treatment.

Modifié par jbblue05, 25 février 2012 - 03:34 .

[Mhorhe83]

Saphra Deden wrote...
The SR2 and Lazarus were huge investments. There is Overlord as well and the derelict Reaper team. Then in Retribution they lose a lot of their front companies, spies, and research bases.

Even foregoing the Renegade conclusion, SR2 and Lazarus cashed in, at least to a point. All that tech Shep gathered up all over the place.. the ship upgrades alone were a fortune Cerberus could make excellent use of. Hell, the info on the Thanix cannons alone would be invaluable.

As for the derelict Reaper team, we don't know how much info/tech Cerberus acquired before the team was zombified. Whatever it was, clearly not a total loss.

As for Retribution, I haven't read it - but is it 100 % certain it's canon? Ought to be, but considering what the user above me is saying..

Modifié par Mhorhe83, 25 février 2012 - 03:38 .

[royard]

Mhorhe83 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
The SR2 and Lazarus were huge investments. There is Overlord as well and the derelict Reaper team. Then in Retribution they lose a lot of their front companies, spies, and research bases.

Even foregoing the Renegade conclusion, SR2 and Lazarus cashed in, at least to a point. All that tech Shep gathered up all over the place.. the ship upgrades alone were a fortune Cerberus could make excellent use of. Hell, the info on the Thanix cannons alone would be invaluable.

As for the derelict Reaper team, we don't know how much info/tech Cerberus acquired before the team was zombified. Whatever it was, clearly not a total loss.

As for Retribution, I haven't read it - but is it 100 % certain it's canon? Ought to be, but considering what the user above me is saying..

Not really.  Normady SR1's drive core cost 130 billion credits.  (as comparison, Lazarous only cost 4)  SR2's has to be around the same magnitude. 

But this figure seems to have been ignored by the writers. 

[Mhorhe83]

royard wrote...

Not really.  Normady SR1's drive core cost 130 billion credits.  (as comparison, Lazarous only cost 4)  SR2's has to be around the same magnitude. 

But this figure seems to have been ignored by the writers. 

How much would frigate-scale cannons that destroy cruisers cost? How much would the technology to put those cannons on something even bigger? How much would higher functionality shields? Integrated body armor? Star charts for high yield resource nodes in unexplored ares of the galaxy?

Hell, how much would that cargo hold bursting with eezo?...

Cerberus wouldn't have bankrupted itself to build the SR 2, even if it poured most of its resources into it. If anything, it's further proof of how extended and powerful the organization is.

Modifié par Mhorhe83, 25 février 2012 - 04:16 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Except, of course, that Cerberus bankrupting itself for an extended time was an explicit point of ME2, while Cerberus being scalped and having to rebuild from a significantly reduced stature was an explicit ending point of Retribution.

[Corvus Metus]

Aren't the novels and comics only semi-canon, much like the Star War Extended Universe?

[jazzkon]

BECAUSE TIM IS A REAPER

[Dean_the_Young]

Corvus Metus wrote...

Aren't the novels and comics only semi-canon, much like the Star War Extended Universe?

Besides deception, which counters the established lore? No.

[Mhorhe83]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Except, of course, that Cerberus bankrupting itself for an extended time was an explicit point of ME2, while Cerberus being scalped and having to rebuild from a significantly reduced stature was an explicit ending point of Retribution.

I haven't read Retribution - unfortunately the Mass Effect novels seemed to me to be quite terrible - but the notion of Cerberus bankrupting itself for an extended time in ME 2 was not an explicit point.

You do know, of course, that they did pour most of their finances into the Normandy and Lazarus. That's not quite bankrupting, though. And then ME 2 starts, and they kind of start earning cash back.

I skimmed the Retribution storyline just now, at a glance it would appear like another failed Cerberus experiment like so many before it - if perhaps more extreme. Doesn't look like that major a setback.

On the other hand, I did not read the novel so I couldn't know for sure. All I'm saying is that it's not impossible for Cerberus to make the appearance it does in ME 3. 

[Mhorhe83]

MacDuffin wrote...

Sometimes PMC's can become just as powerful as nations, so it's possible on a intergalactic level I suppose.
Could they stop the team Shepard is preparing? Probably not, but against alone planets/races they could win a scrap with them.
Not to mention they have the abilities to rebuild Shepard, and field armies means they could be getting income through many means.

Woah, hold on there. If the ME 3 Cerberus is a able to do anything more than surgical strikes and infiltration, even if in 100 places at once, I'm fine with it. They've been hinting at the shady extent of the organization for 2 games now.

Fielding a small army against an isolated Salarian research facility,
launching a gunship/shuttle raid on some vital convoy, sneaking in a
couple of armed merchant ships or an infiltration frigate, buying the
ships and men of some batarian raider.. all of these things Cerberus
can, and should do.

Anything more than that, though, firmly puts me in the "Bio be trippin'?" camp. They wouldn't even need to, really, what I described is sufficient strength to combat Shep's one ship and one squad, or give races all over plenty of grief.

[Saints_]

Was it not made clear Cerberus had an enormous amount of funds? They blew 4 billion credits for a guy who signifies **** to humanity..

I'm sure they can fork out billions for an army to try and stop their previous investment.

It's really not that far fetched.