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[Combine911]

Bad King wrote...

Combine911 wrote...

if you look back to the 1500' you will see whole nations payed mercenaries army (I mean like thousands of Thousands of Soldiers) to invade countrys like Italy and so forth.

Its not new for PMC or mercenaries (W/E you want to call them) to become a huge army. Unliike today in Mass effect there are alot of Humans who dislike Aliens (as stated in ME2) and from what I gatherd the Human race on Earth is united as one so I wouldn't be suppised if Hundred of Thousands of people joined Cerberus from Earth as there would be a Ton of people who take liking the Cerberus

It's not just about the sheer amount of people in the army, it's also about where they got the resources from to train and arm them all!

Explanation:

There very Rich for one, they even spunked four Billion credits on shep trying to rebuild him. They most likely have a lot of contacts on earth etc who hold a lot of power and well all there armour is the same so I would suggest they could mass produces that and for weapons they are as cheap as chips.
 
Some people think there clones and some people think TIM has a huge ass hole to pull stuff out of.

[ApuLunas]

cerberus controls EA.

[SeanNorm]

I to wonder this, post suicide mission in ME2 EDI stated that Cerberus currently has 150 Operators divided into 3 Cells, there would have been at least 30 -50 killed in the demo...

[Juniper Mucius]

Sean, EDI doesn't know everything. They hid things from her too. They knew she had a chance of loyalty to Shepard. She proved that early in the game (Collector ship).

[f1ndmenow]

The illusive man has a Lex Luther complex with ego (Cerberus logo), but he's no idiot to let vital information be handed over completely.

[Mhorhe83]

SeanNorm wrote...

I to wonder this, post suicide mission in ME2 EDI stated that Cerberus currently has 150 Operators divided into 3 Cells, there would have been at least 30 -50 killed in the demo...

Operators are one thing, hired muscle is another.

[f1ndmenow]

Well that's thanks in part to reaper indoctrination tech by the illusive man. Remember the reapers are a cross between Jedi and Cthulhu, they can gain the numbers if needed.

[Gnarlesee]

jeinasindorei wrote...

Because they have lots of money. If you have money, you have power. The more money you have, the more power you have. It's the way humanity has always been, and always will be.

Does not explain why 1 terrorist organization that is only supported by a percentage of the human society, seemingly have more man power, and technology than the entire turian fleet.

[snakeboy86]

Then if it goes against all we know about cerberus, where the hell did all this new tech and "army" come from?

[Dave of Canada]

snakeboy86 wrote...

Then if it goes against all we know about cerberus, where the hell did all this new tech and "army" come from?

Indoctrination.

It's almost like Cerberus is working for the Reapers!

[pnakasone]

I would not trust TIM to tell me the full extent of Cerberus resources on his death bed let alone any other time. Even Miranda as highly placed in the organization as she was would not be given full knowledge of the actual size of Cerberus.

There are some practical reasons for this as information i do not have i can not spill willingly or unwillingly.

Unless some can count the number of casualties Cerberus suffers we not say for certain that it is really that large.

[iSignIn]

Good nutrition and daily workouts.

[Clayless]

They could be indoctrinated humans.

[f1ndmenow]

There is a very big clue if you read mass effect evolution about Cerberus origins with indoctrination

[thegamefreek78648]

MartinDN wrote...

No really, when did cerberus have the power projection of a whole nation, hell more than the citadel council ? Especially to man abandoned alliance bases all over citadel space. 

It's not that they have the power projection of a whole nation, or more than the citadel council, it's that they have the ability to focuse the VAST majory of their resorces towards a given project if the situation [TIM] demands it.  They brought Shepard back from the dead with only a broken, burned and over frozen chunk of meat in less than 2 years and built a second Normandy that could eat the first one for breakfast.  Their information network was only second to the Shadowbroker.  Cerberus doesnt have planets to protect, shiping lanes to patrol or politics to deal with. TIM decides on a goal [or goals] and hell gets moved.

[AxisEvolve]

Money is power. The Illusive man has a lot of it.

[f1ndmenow]

I wonder if he does some side business besides running a terrorist group? I me how else can he gain more money?

Modifié par f1ndmenow, 26 février 2012 - 04:41 .

[Mhorhe83]

f1ndmenow wrote...

I wonder if he does some side business besides running a terrorist group? I me how else can he gain more money?

Plenty of. If I recall correctly, there's a legal front (The Terra Firma party?), plus there are secret funds from human nationalistic-extremistic sympathizers, all sorts of research - much of which can be translated into hard cash, plus who knows all the kinds of crap Cerberus would take part in. Basically any sort of organized crime  you could think of - maybe not directly but through intermediaries.

[FaiTsuki]

Read the alliance news network post that was recently done... No one knows.... It's magic... or should you prefer "A wizard did it"

[f1ndmenow]

 So the illusive man is a wizard? 

I knew it:wizard:

[jazzkon]

It is better to lose one man then a whole army..

[Dean_the_Young]

Small arms could be explained by the Mass Effect universe's fabrication machines (those vending-machines-of-weapons in ME2). There are weapons that have anti-fabrication measures, but most small arms wouldn't be. With enough time and raw materials, a single fabricator could cover small arms at the least.

Armor, however, hasn't been covered by fabricators. All armor to date has been treated as something that has to be boxed up and moved. And the Cerberus armors are apparently custom-made.

Similar with ships and Atlas and other heavy equipment. That's the biggest capital cost that can't be covered by Indoctrination, and doesn't stand well after Retribution.

[Foolsfolly]

I haven't read the leaked script but I was hoping they were enslaving humans and/or using lots of mechs. As I see more of ME3 the more I see they're using armies of humans. It is weird especially since ME2 had EDI telling you there's no more than 7 cells at any one time. And while there were a lot of people in the two we saw there weren't armies of grunts.

And then the turians attacked Cerberus...

I don't understand it. But I'm still hoping there's some indoctrination/enslaving or something to help explain their sheer numbers. They're not the geth or collectors, ya know? They're an extremist group that hires the best of the best and has only existed for a few decades.

The Shadow Broker had MUCH fewer men and he was around for much longer than Cerberus.

[RiouHotaru]

Obviously TIM had a back-up plan. He doesn't seem like the type to NOT have a back-up plan. I mean if you blow up the Collector Base he's mad, but doesn't look like someone who had a significant agenda just crap out on him.

[Mhorhe83]

Really, I don't understand why thinking Cerberus could actually be that strong might affect immersion. I find all the justification needed.

1) Project Lazarus. Honestly, you almost don't need to say anything else. Bringing a guy from the dead?.. come on people, this is seriously hardcore stuff. It's not just the material cost alone, but the sheer "wow!" scientific factor. The fact that a private organization could pull that off..

2) Normandy SR 2. Nuff said

3) We're never actually TOLD the extent of Cerberus ops. But we do know they're all over the place and have shady financial support, and do we know they're involved in all sorts of high tech research testing, and we do know they have no scruples at all.

4) We know they have access to Reaper tech.

I mean, you can speculate enough from this. Yes, we know they suffered some setbacks but it's never explicitly said how large the organization is. The information on the Normandy?.. nowhere is it certain that's totally what there is. Manufacturing armor? Who's saying they don't have an facility on some lost world/asteroid/moon somewhere, boxing up armor by the boatload? As for the Shadow Broker, the Shadow Broker dealt in information. He packed a serious punch, but that was for his protection - he wasn't leading massive raids or research organizations, he was sending infiltrators and the like.

Like I said, facing a lot of Cerberus doesn't affect my immersion at all.