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[Unpleasant Implications]

I know this is already being dicussed in her fan thread, but I'm assuming not many frequent that place. Still... this is just too dissapointing not to have it's own topic.

Morinth in ME3... no matter what you do... turns into a Banshee. Then you kill her. That's. It.

Even if you didn't like her and considered her a cold-blooded murderer or whatever, you HAVE to admit that this is just a low blow and a wasted opprotunity.

Do I expect a boycott? NO. Do I expect a change to the script? NO.

Just sharing this info and trying to recieve feedback. What do you think about this?

Modifié par Unpleasant Implications, 25 février 2012 - 02:40 .

[AxisEvolve]

Didn't Samara kill her? Do you mean if you chose Morinth she turns into a banshee? That's kind of interesting... I'm guessing this doesn't happen with Samara then.

[WarGriffin]

...Alot of ME3 is starting to ****** me off, the ending better be worth it


but yeah, I'll admit Morinth deserves what ever she has coming...but the fact she just gets downgraded to cannon fodder enemy for renegade players is just insulting. If Samara gets to be a righteous asskicker why does Morinth get the job?

It's almost like having Wrex showup decked out in his Me1 gear and your gonna have mission together but sorry for story contrivence -and the fact we just hate you wrex fans- Wrex will be stuck piloting the shuttle and then will return home and you'll nver get the chance to play with him again... cause we despise you that much.


wait...

[Unpleasant Implications]

NVM, answered better below.

Modifié par Unpleasant Implications, 25 février 2012 - 02:51 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Didn't Samara kill her?

You can have them both if you don't do Samara's LM.

And I do think it's a bit of a waste, OP. I still don't like Morinth, but finding out she went to go save her sisters does make me appreciate her character a little more.

Edit: SPOILERS:


Rila sacrifices herself to save her sister, her mother, and Shep. Shep then decides whether or not to make Samara kill Falere (since she is a free AY).

Personally, I can't do that to Samara.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 25 février 2012 - 02:46 .

[AxisEvolve]

Random Jerkface wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Didn't Samara kill her?

You can have them both if you don't do Samara's LM.

And I do think it's a bit of a waste, OP. I still don't like Morinth, but finding out she went to go save her sisters does make me appreciate her character a little more.

Hmmm... interesting. They reward you with more story for neglecting a mission.

[WarGriffin]

Random Jerkface wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Didn't Samara kill her?

You can have them both if you don't do Samara's LM.

And I do think it's a bit of a waste, OP. I still don't like Morinth, but finding out she went to go save her sisters does make me appreciate her character a little more.

Edit: SPOILERS:


Rila sacrifices herself to save her sister, her mother, and Shep. Shep then decides whether or not to make Samara kill Falere (since she is a free AY).

Personally, I can't do that to Samara.

... " I warn you Shepard, if you have me do anything against my code, when this task is done i will kill you."

Shepard don't tempt fate... last game they might have the balls tok ill you in the end XD

[Corvus Metus]

WarGriffin wrote...

...Alot of ME3 is starting to ****** me off, the ending better be worth it


but yeah, I'll admit Morinth deserves what ever she has coming...but the fact she just gets downgraded to cannon fodder enemy for renegade players is just insulting. If Samara gets to be a righteous asskicker why does Morinth get the job?

It's almost like having Wrex showup decked out in his Me1 gear and your gonna have mission together but sorry for story contrivence -and the fact we just hate you wrex fans- Wrex will be stuck piloting the shuttle and then will return home and you'll nver get the chance to play with him again... cause we despise you that much.


wait...

Why do people assume that Renegade players spared Morith?

My canon Shepard was disappointed he couldn't shoot her hiimself and he was renegade.

[WarGriffin]

Corvus Metus wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...

...Alot of ME3 is starting to ****** me off, the ending better be worth it


but yeah, I'll admit Morinth deserves what ever she has coming...but the fact she just gets downgraded to cannon fodder enemy for renegade players is just insulting. If Samara gets to be a righteous asskicker why does Morinth get the job?

It's almost like having Wrex showup decked out in his Me1 gear and your gonna have mission together but sorry for story contrivence -and the fact we just hate you wrex fans- Wrex will be stuck piloting the shuttle and then will return home and you'll nver get the chance to play with him again... cause we despise you that much.


wait...

Why do people assume that Renegade players spared Morith?

My canon Shepard was disappointed he couldn't shoot her hiimself and he was renegade.

Cause sparing the homocidal maniac over someone who has already sworn thier loyalty to you isn't really the most Paragon thing to do? In fact it's IMO one of the most straight up evil choices you can make

Modifié par WarGriffin, 25 février 2012 - 02:55 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

WarGriffin wrote...
... " I warn you Shepard, if you have me do anything against my code, when this task is done i will kill you."

I've never actually heard this line, since even my more renegade runs aren't complete stupid-evil like the game sometimes tries to make them.

[Dean_the_Young]

WarGriffin wrote...

Corvus Metus wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...

...Alot of ME3 is starting to ****** me off, the ending better be worth it


but yeah, I'll admit Morinth deserves what ever she has coming...but the fact she just gets downgraded to cannon fodder enemy for renegade players is just insulting. If Samara gets to be a righteous asskicker why does Morinth get the job?

It's almost like having Wrex showup decked out in his Me1 gear and your gonna have mission together but sorry for story contrivence -and the fact we just hate you wrex fans- Wrex will be stuck piloting the shuttle and then will return home and you'll nver get the chance to play with him again... cause we despise you that much.


wait...

Why do people assume that Renegade players spared Morith?

My canon Shepard was disappointed he couldn't shoot her hiimself and he was renegade.

Cause sparing the homocidal maniac over someone who has already sworn thier loyalty to you isn't really the most Paragon thing to do? In fact it's IMO one of the most straight up evil choices you can make

Depends on how dangerous you think that fanatical deontological zealots are.

Personally, more than Morinth. Morinth doesn't get into situations where blowing up the police is Great Justice.

[WarGriffin]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...

Corvus Metus wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...

...Alot of ME3 is starting to ****** me off, the ending better be worth it


but yeah, I'll admit Morinth deserves what ever she has coming...but the fact she just gets downgraded to cannon fodder enemy for renegade players is just insulting. If Samara gets to be a righteous asskicker why does Morinth get the job?

It's almost like having Wrex showup decked out in his Me1 gear and your gonna have mission together but sorry for story contrivence -and the fact we just hate you wrex fans- Wrex will be stuck piloting the shuttle and then will return home and you'll nver get the chance to play with him again... cause we despise you that much.


wait...

Why do people assume that Renegade players spared Morith?

My canon Shepard was disappointed he couldn't shoot her hiimself and he was renegade.

Cause sparing the homocidal maniac over someone who has already sworn thier loyalty to you isn't really the most Paragon thing to do? In fact it's IMO one of the most straight up evil choices you can make

Depends on how dangerous you think that fanatical deontological zealots are.

Personally, more than Morinth. Morinth doesn't get into situations where blowing up the police is Great Justice.

Not Samara's fault that the detectives superiors are too stupid to realize she has no way of containing a super powered biotic. and Samara is more the willing to cooperate. She just makes it clear that she'll surrender peacefully for aslong as she can before she must return to the hunt for her daughter.

It's honestly no different then when Shepard undermines a local authority and ends up shooting people.

[MinervaHamster]

I will admit that sucks for those who liked her character. However, killing the awesomeness that is Samara had to come back and bite you in the ass at some point. lol

[Spoiledrotten]

Random Jerkface wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...
... " I warn you Shepard, if you have me do anything against my code, when this task is done i will kill you."

I've never actually heard this line, since even my more renegade runs aren't complete stupid-evil like the game sometimes tries to make them.

I do believe she says this regardless of what you are, if you pick the renegade option "You'll do anything I say?".

Also Samara is just as dangerous to Shepard as Morinth. Even if you never picked a renegade response, cracked a safe or looted a body, you still killed 400,000 batarians. Friendship doesn't count for much, her code is above everything... Well, almost everything according to the script. And even then...

And it's a real shame about Morinth, I don't understand why she was even an option if they chose not to use her for anything. Granted, I'm not surprised, not with the say she was handled in ME2.

Still, Banshee or not, she gets some character development at least.

Modifié par Spoiledrotten, 25 février 2012 - 11:14 .

[Barquiel]

Where did you get that information? I know she is mentioned in the script, but that line could be for an unrecruited Samara, or a failed (skiped) loyalty mission. That's probably the default option in ME3 as well.

[Unpleasant Implications]

Barquiel wrote...

Where did you get that information? I know she is mentioned in the script, but that line could be for an unrecruited Samara, or a failed (skiped) loyalty mission. That's probably the default option in ME3 as well.

SKipped loyalty gets both, apparently. Not sure about skipped recruitment.  But it would require her taking on both Eclipse and Illium PD by herself... 

[Burneye Is God]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

I know this is already being dicussed in her fan thread, but I'm assuming not many frequent that place. Still... this is just too dissapointing not to have it's own topic.

Morinth in ME3... no matter what you do... turns into a Banshee. Then you kill her. That's. It.

Even if you didn't like her and considered her a cold-blooded murderer or whatever, you HAVE to admit that this is just a low blow and a wasted opprotunity.

Do I expect a boycott? NO. Do I expect a change to the script? NO.

Just sharing this info and trying to recieve feedback. What do you think about this?

silly question what if we killed her in mass effect 2? lol

[Destroy Raiden_]

Really someone thought that would end in a good way? ITS MORNITH of course she isn't going to turn into some kindly hearted girl who no longer wants to murder people for highs! Honestly you could see that train coming from a mile away nothing for Mornith and with Mornith can end well.

[Dave of Canada]

Chose Samara: Samara helps you through the AY asylum-ish area.
Chose Morinth: Morinth is banshee'd and you kill her.

Why not make Morinth take Samara's role if you chose her? They don't even bother to do the character justice.

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Really someone thought that would end in a good way? ITS MORNITH of course she isn't going to turn into some kindly hearted girl who no longer wants to murder people for highs! Honestly you could see that train coming from a mile away nothing for Mornith and with Mornith can end well.

 

Yes, that totally makes sense. Morinth not being a "good" person totally justifies essentially killing her off, how could I not have seen it coming?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 26 février 2012 - 02:16 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

Spoiledrotten wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...
... " I warn you Shepard, if you have me do anything against my code, when this task is done i will kill you."

I've never actually heard this line, since even my more renegade runs aren't complete stupid-evil like the game sometimes tries to make them.

I do believe she says this regardless of what you are, if you pick the renegade option "You'll do anything I say?".

Also Samara is just as dangerous to Shepard as Morinth. Even if you never picked a renegade response, cracked a safe or looted a body, you still killed 400,000 batarians. Friendship doesn't count for much, her code is above everything... Well, almost everything according to the script. And even then...

And it's a real shame about Morinth, I don't understand why she was even an option if they chose not to use her for anything. Granted, I'm not surprised, not with the say she was handled in ME2.

Still, Banshee or not, she gets some character development at least.

I'm not sure what the code says but I'm sure somewhere in the fine print it says killing an excessive amount of innocents is bad and therefore said high volume killer must be put down. I would be surprised if Samara doesn't come after even para shep for that one. About the only loop hole I've got on the issue is 1) shep isn't Asari and therefore Samara killing him would result in a diplomatic interspercies incident the one of which Udina will never hear an end to or 2) Samara wasn't made to do this. She said if you make me do anything against my code I'll have to kill you she didn't say if you do anything against my code I'll have to kill you.

Speaking of crewmembers who'll kill you we still have Legion if he lied and is really a reaper sympathizer then yeah he'll kill you, Zaeed and Kasumi will kill you for the money, Miranda will kill you if TIM tells her too her I quit line could always be a lie to get you to trust her more, Grunt says he'll kill you after you're done killing the reapers because you're the only worthy thing left. So shep is racking up quite the buddy list.

[AdmiralCheez]

So how does Morinth get turned into a Banshee? Does she, in a sudden burst of actual humanity, go back to the monastery to try to save her sisters?

Meanwhile, Sam has to watch another one of her children die, and then possibly kill the last one herself...

ALL OF MY TEARS, BIOWARE

[Destroy Raiden_]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Chose Samara: Samara helps you through the AY asylum-ish area.
Chose Morinth: Morinth is banshee'd and you kill her.

Why not make Morinth take Samara's role if you chose her? They don't even bother to do the character justice.

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Really someone thought that would end in a good way? ITS MORNITH of course she isn't going to turn into some kindly hearted girl who no longer wants to murder people for highs! Honestly you could see that train coming from a mile away nothing for Mornith and with Mornith can end well.

 

Yes, that totally makes sense. Morinth not being a "good" person totally justifies essentially killing her off, how could I not have seen it coming?

No one said you had to kill her but its going to end badly if she's alive. Its always coming down to her or someone else.

[Dave of Canada]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Meanwhile, Sam has to watch another one of her children die, and then possibly kill the last one herself...

You can paragonize it and let both live.

[Xilizhra]

Actually, according to the Morinth thread, this was a false alarm. Morinth only appears as a banshee if you fail Samara's loyalty mission, or possibly never do it at all. If you kill Samara for her, she takes Samara's place in that mission.