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[DigitalMaster37]

MonkeySeeker wrote...

but I'm asking for your take because frankly your a lot nicer.

You're new here I'm guessing?

Also this is how it always is in demos and betas. It's not a punishment to let you play the demo.

When I read that, those were my exact words. OP, you are either high (the high where "cosmic monkeys" makes perfect sense to you) or brand new to BSN (I mean "fresh off the transport" new)

[Shephard Vas Eleen]

frylock23 wrote...

Shephard Vas Eleen wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shephard Vas Eleen wrote...


So what do you guys think the reason is?

Clearly it's stupidity on the part of people who don't understand the difference between an entitlement and a punishment.

How is it an entitlement for to ask for something you worked for?
en·ti·tle·ment[/i]/enˈtītlmənt/Noun:
The fact of having a right to something.The amount to which a person has a right.Synonyms:right - title - warrant
Would you be cool with it Bioware decided not to roll over your ME2 character to ME3. No because you just assumed it would roll over. I never read a bioware press release saying we couldn't prior to the demo. If there was one they tucked it in a corner.

Except that technically, you don't have a "right" to the game or anything in it. That is the property of others who let you purchase user rights that allow you to use the software under the terms they set for your use.  This is what the little agreement thing you have to check before you install means. In this case, they have deemed that you only have the right to create and play during the demo run, and they will wipe those characters and stats and everyone will start over when the actual game releases.  It doesn't matter how many hours you spent playing, when you checked "I agree" under the terms of use agreement, you agreed to the terms the owners of the software set for its use before they ever let it install.  In this case, you agreed that your characters and stats would not carry over. Those are your "rights" and that's all you're entitled to. And, most companies also write in clauses allowing them to change the terms of use without notice, too. So, you could wake tomorrow and find all the servers shut down and all the characters gone even though it has been previously stated that they wouldn't shut the mp demo down until March 2.

So, stop complaining and be happy with what you have.  It's not like you paid for it.

Good summary but here's a question I pose to you, do you own your saves?

[neubourn]

Dear OP...please write this down and refer to it in exactly 2 months time after release (May 6th, 2012):

-Remember that ME 3 demo and those characters and equipment you unlocked way back when? No? Why is that? Oh...youre too busy having fun playing the MP that you completely forgot about "what you had?" gotcha.

[Jarrett Lee]

Geez I think I'm usually pretty nice! I'm sorry, I know it's a bummer (same thing will happen to me as a player) but we've said from the beginning that mp progress in the demo won't carry over.

[JosephShrike]

OP, here's A difference. You paid for ME1/ME2 and played the game, during which the game specifically said "Your saves will carry over", so you were entitled to that, as it was a presented feature.

With this, it's a demo. It's free, and it's been stated before that MP progress will not be saved. This is where you have a 'sense of entitlement'. That is, you feel as if you are owed something because, in your mind, you did something worth compensation. The reality is that Bioware gave you something you had no right to expect (being the demo, and the relatively complete MP experience within it) and, as such, you have no real right to expect to be given anything. You are not being punished. You were given the opportunity to do something before you really had the right to expect to do it (being March 6th when the game is released) and now you're mad that you don't get anything special.

Honestly, a lot of people on BSN have a sense of 'what they deserve' with puts Caligula's horse to shame.

[Shephard Vas Eleen]

Jarrett Lee wrote...

Geez I think I'm usually pretty nice! I'm sorry, I know it's a bummer (same thing will happen to me as a player) but we've said from the beginning that mp progress in the demo won't carry over.

Ok, Ok. We love Jarrett too. Geez. 

[TheJiveDJ]

Come on TC, BW is not punishing you that's going a little too far. You were informed from the get-go that your progress would not carry over. You knew what you were getting into. If you've spent a large amount of time playing the demo and feel that it is now time wasted then that is your fault, to put it bluntly. I've purposely tried not to get too invested in the demo for this reason specifically. I know nothing is carrying over so I don't want to sour my experience for the full game.

Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 25 février 2012 - 06:09 .

[nickkcin11]

I'm 98% sure that the armor from the Halo Reach Beta didn't carry over. Nor did the experience.

[RoboticWater]

Jarrett Lee wrote...

Geez I think I'm usually pretty nice! I'm sorry, I know it's a bummer (same thing will happen to me as a player) but we've said from the beginning that mp progress in the demo won't carry over.

If I paid you, would you move my info to a thumb drive?

Modifié par BlahDog, 25 février 2012 - 06:18 .

[Gotholhorakh]

Look, I'm afraid this is pretty standard stuff, you know.

1. Sometimes preserving saves from a public beta or demo could potentially entail migration (ie some bug fixed,  underlying improvements, content changed/added/removed)  - would you like the release to be blocked because something breaks current saves? Or worse, the developer hedging around something that could be better because they don't have the freedom to ignore saves?

2. What you are playing is a provisional experience. If it improves you will not get the proper experience you were meant to when the real thing hits your machine.

A clean slate is for the best, dump it out, start again, get the full experience. You'll be better off in the long run, anyway.

Shephard Vas Eleen wrote...
Please throw us a bone and reward our work and loyalty.

OK, loyalty fine - despite what I have seen said here to the contrary, customer loyalty is vital and while in reality you don't necessarily work hardest on your loyalest customers, any company which disregards its existing customer base is slitting its own throat and waiting to bleed out, however....

...what *WORK* ?

Shephard Vas Eleen wrote...
with all the negative feedback you've been getting from gamers regarding DLC, Origin, and now multiplayer its starting to make me feel like Bioware is nickel and diming us?

Well OK, I feel nickel-and-dimed by DLC, most particularly that which is available from day one, because it's simply not in our interests as consumers to go for it. That would be silly.

I'm not outraged by it though, not screaming about it, my response is simply not to buy it for a looooooong time. This is the only response that matters, if we whinge about it and immediately buy it that's pathetic imo.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 25 février 2012 - 11:22 .

[Biotic Sage]

I'm just picturing a personification of Bioware in S&M attire smiling as it smacks me with a paddle while I'm on my knees and gagged. STOP PUNISHING ME BIOWARE! Man, that's exactly how I feel when I'm playing this awesome demo.

[Wulfram]

I think it's more interesting to start over. Rather than starting out with my OP Adept with X weapons.

[Aimi]

JosephShrike wrote...

Honestly, a lot of people on BSN have a sense of 'what they deserve' with puts Caligula's horse to shame.

Wait, I totally agree with the general sentiment, but what the hell does Incitatus have with to do with entitled dickweeds?

[hawat333]

I don't see where are we punished exactly. The demo's purpose is to demonstrate what the full game will be like. That we, more or less, got covered, including a taste of the multiplayer.
They are rewarding us for playing the demo with... well, with the chance of tasting what we will be spending our money on. Playing the demo is basically its' own reward.
If you feel punished, don't play it. Simple.

[Slashout]

Aren't we even getting more xp in the demo than in the full game?
I found leveling too quick. At times I gained like 3 or 4 level in one single match. I mean it's very fast.

So if xp is boosted for the demo, it also makes sense that for the full game everything is reset.
Anyway, I thought it was obvious. OP is saying it like many people were expecting to keep their lvls from the demo... But I think it's the opposite.

I never ever expected them to let us keep what we gained, it would have been weird for me actually.

You just get an earlier peek at the game, and on day 1, you start from 0 like everybody else.

Modifié par Slashout, 25 février 2012 - 11:37 .

[xX N7 Xx]

Poor poor Jarrett, he doesn't deserve that!

[AkiKishi]

It's just like a BetaMMO test you have to level the field before release. Of course they can't erase your knowledge so it's much easier next time around.

[dudeimalive]

considering its a demo I never expected it to roll over however, with the situation with going through packages to get characters and such I can see why it would help. The only demo I have seen ever carry over player information is the Crysis 2 demo. But regardless I will be having fun once the actual game comes out.

[dudeimalive]

P.S. I dont see creating characters and enjoying them in a demo as a punishment as much as it is a privilege. The demo could have been even more limited than it is now.

[LilyasAvalon]

Wa.... Wait.... I WON'T GET TO KEEP MY TURIAN SENTINEL!? D:

[Drake-Shepard]

Cobra5 wrote...

Stop.

Step back.

And think about this for a second.

You are seriously saying that letting you play the demo early is punishment. Your self-entitlement level has exceeded even the BSN threshold.

this.
We all knew demo progress would not be saved before we started or by the next day at the latest.
wow provide people with information to make an informed decision and they still moan that they are being punished.

[The_11thDoctor]

Imortalfalcon wrote...

Try beta testing an MMO for a few months, only to have all that progress wiped.

Tragic, really.

exactly... it's a demo for a reason. They just let us build up the character t osee what happens when they're at full strength. It's already too nice that they left the cap as high as it was, but thinking you'd keep it all is crazy! Hoping to gain something from the demo , yes, but all that lvl? I was 60 before I quit. I dont even know when Ill get to the MP when the game comes out! Maybe a month later? Im playing thru at least 6x or more.

[GnusmasTHX]

OP made lol.

What a nut, haha.

[themaxzero]

Shephard Vas Eleen wrote...

 I've asked a couple of Bioware members about why they are wiping our Multiplayer saves to no avail. I've posted in the proper forums and sent them PM's to no avail. Their standard response seems to be "because I said so" but have not actually gotten a response as yet. I figure they're probably innundated with A.) fan mail or B.) hate mail so I turn to my fellow forumites to draw a conclusion to this problem since honestly users make the world go round... Here's a copy of the edited e-mail I sent to Jessica Merizan:

"I just wanted to let you know that talking to a lot of gamers they are all asking the same thing of the demo. They all want to roll their multiplayer characters over to the game. To be honest with you, with all the negative feedback you've been getting from gamers regarding DLC, Origin, and now multiplayer its starting to make me feel like Bioware is nickel and diming us? Please throw us a bone and reward our work and loyalty. You did it in the ME2 demo when you let us roll our ME1 character into the demo and you even let us pull the character we created in the demo into ME2. This is not going to make the game unbalanced because frankly there is no PvP and all the users that are at 20 are playing at silver and gold levels anyways. The only thing reseting our players will do is aggravate and alienate gamers because we'll end up spending a few more days leveling characters we already had to begin with. Or you could let us keep our weapons (stock) and classes and pull our talent points (take the Halo Reach beta for example where you could keep armor upgrades), but please don't have us playing this game in vain. When future ME titles come out and you try to market it gamers will think, "that's what they say but remember what they did in ME3." 

I already posed this to Jarrett Lee and Chris Priestly but I'm asking for your take because frankly your a lot nicer.  "

So what do you guys think the reason is?

P.S. Chris I would love to earn a lockdown badge for honesty. Free speech doesn't apply to privately owned public forums I guess.

Who would of thought a great multiplayer free for 3 weeks is now considered punishment?