Ecmoose wrote...
I guess WoW should give me back all my beta characters. And SWTOR, and LOTR.
Amular should have let me skip the first 45 minutes of the game (actually it should have let me skip to the end).
Don't even get me started on my Halo characters.
Damn, I never realized I got punished so often...
CDRSkyShepard wrote...
This is why I'm not investing tons of time into my MP games until the actual games comes out. I'll play it over and over with friends because it's addicting and fun, but I'm not trying to build my characters because I know they won't be imported, and have known since I started playing.
The point of a demo is to let you try it out, not to give you a leg up on the game itself.
t_skwerl wrote...
Do the words political ****storm mean anything to you?
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JeffZero wrote...
CDRSkyShepard wrote...
This is why I'm not investing tons of time into my MP games until the actual games comes out. I'll play it over and over with friends because it's addicting and fun, but I'm not trying to build my characters because I know they won't be imported, and have known since I started playing.
The point of a demo is to let you try it out, not to give you a leg up on the game itself.
Hell, I'm still N7 18. Remember last time we played? Yeah, I remember the last time I played, too.
Shephard Vas Eleen wrote...
I've asked a couple of Bioware members about why they are wiping our Multiplayer saves to no avail. I've posted in the proper forums and sent them PM's to no avail. Their standard response seems to be "because I said so" but have not actually gotten a response as yet. I figure they're probably innundated with A.) fan mail or B.) hate mail so I turn to my fellow forumites to draw a conclusion to this problem since honestly users make the world go round... Here's a copy of the edited e-mail I sent to Jessica Merizan:
"I just wanted to let you know that talking to a lot of gamers they are all asking the same thing of the demo. They all want to roll their multiplayer characters over to the game. To be honest with you, with all the negative feedback you've been getting from gamers regarding DLC, Origin, and now multiplayer its starting to make me feel like Bioware is nickel and diming us? Please throw us a bone and reward our work and loyalty. You did it in the ME2 demo when you let us roll our ME1 character into the demo and you even let us pull the character we created in the demo into ME2. This is not going to make the game unbalanced because frankly there is no PvP and all the users that are at 20 are playing at silver and gold levels anyways. The only thing reseting our players will do is aggravate and alienate gamers because we'll end up spending a few more days leveling characters we already had to begin with. Or you could let us keep our weapons (stock) and classes and pull our talent points (take the Halo Reach beta for example where you could keep armor upgrades), but please don't have us playing this game in vain. When future ME titles come out and you try to market it gamers will think, "that's what they say but remember what they did in ME3."
I already posed this to Jarrett Lee and Chris Priestly but I'm asking for your take because frankly your a lot nicer."
So what do you guys think the reason is?
P.S. Chris I would love to earn a lockdown badge for honesty. Free speech doesn't apply to privately owned public forums I guess.
Shephard Vas Eleen wrote...
frylock23 wrote...
Shephard Vas Eleen wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Clearly it's stupidity on the part of people who don't understand the difference between an entitlement and a punishment.Shephard Vas Eleen wrote...
So what do you guys think the reason is?
How is it an entitlement for to ask for something you worked for?
en·ti·tle·ment[/i]/enˈtītlmənt/Noun:
The fact of having a right to something.The amount to which a person has a right.Synonyms:right - title - warrant
Would you be cool with it Bioware decided not to roll over your ME2 character to ME3. No because you just assumed it would roll over. I never read a bioware press release saying we couldn't prior to the demo. If there was one they tucked it in a corner.
Except that technically, you don't have a "right" to the game or anything in it. That is the property of others who let you purchase user rights that allow you to use the software under the terms they set for your use. This is what the little agreement thing you have to check before you install means. In this case, they have deemed that you only have the right to create and play during the demo run, and they will wipe those characters and stats and everyone will start over when the actual game releases. It doesn't matter how many hours you spent playing, when you checked "I agree" under the terms of use agreement, you agreed to the terms the owners of the software set for its use before they ever let it install. In this case, you agreed that your characters and stats would not carry over. Those are your "rights" and that's all you're entitled to. And, most companies also write in clauses allowing them to change the terms of use without notice, too. So, you could wake tomorrow and find all the servers shut down and all the characters gone even though it has been previously stated that they wouldn't shut the mp demo down until March 2.
So, stop complaining and be happy with what you have. It's not like you paid for it.
Good summary but here's a question I pose to you, do you own your saves?
Bekkael wrote...
How silly! Why would you want it to carry over? o_O
My N7 is currently 80-something, and I don't give a rat's ass that it won't carry over. It's a demo, right? You play it for fun and to get an idea and a taste of what ACTUAL MP will be like. You know, something with more than 2 maps and endless Cerberus mooks to fight.
Personally, I'm glad nothing will carry over, otherwise I would have several classes (my favorites) already maxed and have no reason to play them again. How is this a good thing? I look forward to starting afresh with all MP characters at Lvl 1.
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Shephard Vas Eleen wrote...
How is it an entitlement for to ask for something you worked for?
t_skwerl wrote...
Do the words political ****storm mean anything to you?
You do realize the only reason you're reading this post is that the title drew you in right... It seemed controversial at first glance didn't it.jreezy wrote...
The title alone is enough for me to not take the OP seriously.
Modifié par Shephard Vas Eleen, 26 février 2012 - 01:19 .
frylock23 wrote...
Shephard Vas Eleen wrote...
frylock23 wrote...
Shephard Vas Eleen wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Clearly it's stupidity on the part of people who don't understand the difference between an entitlement and a punishment.Shephard Vas Eleen wrote...
So what do you guys think the reason is?
How is it an entitlement for to ask for something you worked for?
en·ti·tle·ment[/i]/enˈtītlmənt/Noun:
The fact of having a right to something.The amount to which a person has a right.Synonyms:right - title - warrant
Would you be cool with it Bioware decided not to roll over your ME2 character to ME3. No because you just assumed it would roll over. I never read a bioware press release saying we couldn't prior to the demo. If there was one they tucked it in a corner.
Except that technically, you don't have a "right" to the game or anything in it. That is the property of others who let you purchase user rights that allow you to use the software under the terms they set for your use. This is what the little agreement thing you have to check before you install means. In this case, they have deemed that you only have the right to create and play during the demo run, and they will wipe those characters and stats and everyone will start over when the actual game releases. It doesn't matter how many hours you spent playing, when you checked "I agree" under the terms of use agreement, you agreed to the terms the owners of the software set for its use before they ever let it install. In this case, you agreed that your characters and stats would not carry over. Those are your "rights" and that's all you're entitled to. And, most companies also write in clauses allowing them to change the terms of use without notice, too. So, you could wake tomorrow and find all the servers shut down and all the characters gone even though it has been previously stated that they wouldn't shut the mp demo down until March 2.
So, stop complaining and be happy with what you have. It's not like you paid for it.
Good summary but here's a question I pose to you, do you own your saves?
Maybe if they're on your computer, but since they won't work without compatibility to the software itself, good luck; I wish you much joy of them. I have my ME1 saves tucked away on my computer, but they don't do anything without either ME1, ME2, or soon, ME3 installed on my computer, and I can't install and run those games without agreeing to BioWare's terms of use and service.
And MP and MMOs function differently than singleplayer games for the most part. The saves for those are not kept in your home computer but on a hosted server. All you have on your machine is the client that allows you to communicate with the hosting servers, and if you think for a second about the competitive nature of such games you'll see why. If you kept your own saves on your own machine, it would be far too easy to tamper with your save files and potentially gain advantage that you hadn't earned through play (i.e. hack them). That's why there will be an option to transfer characters to the singleplayer game, at that point, they DO become part your computer save file, but you no longer have access to them in MP.
So, I'm sorry if you feel that you have some kind of nebulous "right" to keep these characters, but they don't even exist on your machine, and if they do, they're no good to you without the proprietary software and hosting servers of BioWare whose terms and conditions you must agree to first before anything else. And in this case, they have not given you the right to use these particular characters at any time beyond March 2 or March 5 (I've heard two dates for demo cut-off). My advice to you is to stop playing MP because it's clearly just a waste for you until the main game releases.
Modifié par Shephard Vas Eleen, 26 février 2012 - 05:03 .
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