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[Farbautisonn]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

ODST 5723 wrote...

Keep on living in that fantasyland, Dean.

Reality is nice enough when you pay attention to what people say, not what you presume they say.

-Ouch...

[corporal doody]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Cerberus was and STILL IS a part of the Alliance!! a black ops group that went rogue is a great cover!!

My suspicion is that this has been retconned away.

Actually I think I read a dialogue spoiler where something explicitly mentions a rumor that Cerberus started out as an Alliance black op and the guy he's talking to says something along the lines of "Black ops always go bad."

if they mentioned in a spoiler for ME3...than it aint a spoiler...it is them restating what they STATED in ME1..i am glad for that though!

Modifié par corporal doody, 26 février 2012 - 02:35 .

[Terror_K]

So once again, with no real explanation beyond, "just 'cause" we have Cerberus with unlimited resources at their disposal, the best equipment and soldiers and being better at everything than every other faction despite being the new kids on the block, expanding even more despite Shepard and the SR2 supposedly setting them back massively and then turian strike forces near crippling their operations in Retribution.

Well... BioWare are nothing if consistent with their portrayal of Cerberus since ME2.

Modifié par Terror_K, 26 février 2012 - 04:28 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Terror_K wrote...

So once again, with no real explanation beyond, "just 'cause" we have Cerberus with unlimited resources at their disposal, the best equipment and soldiers and being better at everything than every other faction despite being the new kids on the block, expanding even more despite Shepard and the SR2 supposedly setting them back massively and then turian strike forces near crippling their operations in Retribution.

Well... BioWare are nothing if consistent with their portrayal of Cerberus since ME2.

Can't wait until ME3 to get the answer?  Where it actually matters that they have these resources and the soldiers are the way they are?

Sometimes, I wonder why BioWare doesn't just publish the script publically and officially.

[Bleachrude]

*Shrug*

This _IS_ Mass Effect though. Arguably one oft he most wanked human factions in all of speculative fiction.

Bioware on the one hand wanted to portray its aliens as more than just a planet of hats but if you do that, it intrinsically means you can't have humanity be the new "hotness".

Basically, the aliens exist in ME to make humanity (and the players who of course would self-identify) feel good about themselves...

[DR4IG]

There's always the possibility a lot of the Fringe worlds out in the expanse sided with Cerebus due to N7's taking a major part in defending council space along with the Turians. With No one defending the outer colonies except for a Cerberus-equipped Normandy.

I'm sure a LOT of people who had even the most unshaking faith in N7 saw themselves abandoned and then -Oh!- A Cerberus squad drops by, with no one other than Sheppard in a Cerberus suit dropping in to aid them.

Between the firepower, Will and Sheppard at the helm, I'd join Cerberus too in those circumstances.

And with Cerberus operating in cells, A lot of the times you just -happened- to have info on this or that merc group.. There's no way to tell if the group itself was there due to a Cerberus initiative. So it wouldn't be hard to hit a remote colony with a merc squad, Jam any emergency calls to N7 then send in a Cerberus 'Cleaning up the mess, Look good' squad. The next thing you know, That colony is now a Cerberus base/Colony with plenty of eagre recruits

[SykoWolf]

Cerberus has been a threat since ME1, it was only a matter of time until they decided that they should be humanities voice in the galaxy and that they would do anything to achieve this, including indoctrination of other species and there own people.

[Terror_K]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

So once again, with no real explanation beyond, "just 'cause" we have Cerberus with unlimited resources at their disposal, the best equipment and soldiers and being better at everything than every other faction despite being the new kids on the block, expanding even more despite Shepard and the SR2 supposedly setting them back massively and then turian strike forces near crippling their operations in Retribution.

Well... BioWare are nothing if consistent with their portrayal of Cerberus since ME2.

Can't wait until ME3 to get the answer?  Where it actually matters that they have these resources and the soldiers are the way they are?

Sometimes, I wonder why BioWare doesn't just publish the script publically and officially.

Do we even know there is an explanation? And is it actually a feasible one, instead of just another case of, "Cerberus just have unlimited resources and all the best gear, tech and soldiers, even moreso than all the other alien races combined, just 'cause they need to to be formiddible enemies"

I highly doubt it. Cerberus already well well beyond the realms of believability in ME2, and now it looks like despite what Miranda and EDI said regarding their resources in ME2, despite the costs of Shepard and the SR2 and despite the events in Retribution, Cerberus are coming out of things better than ever. It's like they're the anti-backwards faction: the more you harm them and the more they spend, the greater their strength and assets. We'll probably get some BS explanations from The Council or somebody in ME3 about the three main Council races still being drained and hurt after Sovereign's attack on The Citadel two years ago, but in the meantime Cerberus just seem to be perfect at everything.

[Terror_K]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Amazing how Cerberus can be so hard to kill and so successful while also being their own worst enemy.

Also how they can be so hard to apparently find and stop considering how good salarian intelligence alone is supposed to be combined with the fact they want to plaster their logos and colours on absolutely everything.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Amazing how Cerberus can be so hard to kill and so successful while also being their own worst enemy.

Also how they can be so hard to apparently find and stop considering how good salarian intelligence alone is supposed to be combined with the fact they want to plaster their logos and colours on absolutely everything.

...and the fact that they're expanding to the size of a moderately sized army. Should make them a little easier to spot and root out, no?

Well, the galaxy is a per-etty big and spacious place. There's more than enough room for an army to hide.

[ArkkAngel007]

Terror_K wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

So once again, with no real explanation beyond, "just 'cause" we have Cerberus with unlimited resources at their disposal, the best equipment and soldiers and being better at everything than every other faction despite being the new kids on the block, expanding even more despite Shepard and the SR2 supposedly setting them back massively and then turian strike forces near crippling their operations in Retribution.

Well... BioWare are nothing if consistent with their portrayal of Cerberus since ME2.

Can't wait until ME3 to get the answer?  Where it actually matters that they have these resources and the soldiers are the way they are?

Sometimes, I wonder why BioWare doesn't just publish the script publically and officially.

Do we even know there is an explanation? And is it actually a feasible one, instead of just another case of, "Cerberus just have unlimited resources and all the best gear, tech and soldiers, even moreso than all the other alien races combined, just 'cause they need to to be formiddible enemies"

I highly doubt it. Cerberus already well well beyond the realms of believability in ME2, and now it looks like despite what Miranda and EDI said regarding their resources in ME2, despite the costs of Shepard and the SR2 and despite the events in Retribution, Cerberus are coming out of things better than ever. It's like they're the anti-backwards faction: the more you harm them and the more they spend, the greater their strength and assets. We'll probably get some BS explanations from The Council or somebody in ME3 about the three main Council races still being drained and hurt after Sovereign's attack on The Citadel two years ago, but in the meantime Cerberus just seem to be perfect at everything.

There is.  Whether you find it agreeable or not is up to you, but you get to see some of it first hand and receive details from certain sources.

See BioWare?  I can resist pulling the spoiler tigger 

[Nathan Redgrave]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

There is.  Whether you find it agreeable or not is up to you, but you get to see some of it first hand and receive details from certain sources.

See BioWare?  I can resist pulling the spoiler tigger 

I don't care what consequences it has for that mission, I will never, ever regret punching that damn annoying reporter.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 26 février 2012 - 07:07 .

[Blackout62]

Traditionally there is a paragraph break between quotes and the writers own words in a news article.

For example:

...report states the Cerberus mentality plainly:

“Other species may talk with us, trade with us, even live with us, but when
a crisis comes, we are on our own.”

Critics of the report are...

Modifié par Blackout62, 26 février 2012 - 07:15 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Well, the galaxy is a per-etty big and spacious place. There's more than enough room for an army to hide.

So why doesn't everyone have an army?

Because not everyone has the motivation, resources, or credits to put one together. That's the part that stumps people.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Because not everyone has the motivation, resources, or credits to put one together. That's the part that stumps people.

My question is where TIM got the resources, credits, and motivation for an army.

I know that, I know that. And hopefully that'll be expanded on in the game itself. But it's also not the point I was addressing with that post.

[LucidStrike]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AeonFrog wrote...

I like to think that the N7 is the human equivalent of the STG and Asari commandos, not Cerberus.

No, N7 are just Navy Seals. Elite, but they're just soldiers.

STG/Cerberus is in essence more like CIA/NSA and such.

Cerberus and the STG aren't that similar at all. For one thing, Cerberus is rogue and sovereign, no longer even pretending to be with the Alliance. For another, there doesn't seem to be ANY organized equivalent of that "human-supremacist" group in the ME universe.

I rmmbr debatin' Cerberus on these forums back before ME2, and so many people said they weren't supremacists. Smh.

Also, I'm not even sure Asari commandos are a cohesive group. Are they? They seemed like just well trained mercs to me.

Blackout62 wrote...

Traditionally there is a paragraph break between quotes and the writers own words in a news article.

For example:

...report states the Cerberus mentality plainly:

“Other species may talk with us, trade with us, even live with us, but when
a crisis comes, we are on our own.”

Critics of the report are...

I've
seen PLENTY of articles where that break was omitted, so, if that is
tradition, there isn't all that much respect for it anymore. =/

Modifié par LucidStrike, 26 février 2012 - 08:02 .

[LucidStrike]

Saphra Deden wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I rmmbr debatin' Cerberus on these forums back before ME2, and so many people said they weren't supremacists. Smh.

They aren't.

"...warning of the increasing danger of human-supremacist group Cerberus..." ~The very article linked to in this thread o_o
Next, you'll tell me there's nothing remotely racist about the National Socialist Movement.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 26 février 2012 - 08:22 .

[HiroVoid]

LucidStrike wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I rmmbr debatin' Cerberus on these forums back before ME2, and so many people said they weren't supremacists. Smh.

They aren't.

"...warning of the increasing danger of human-supremacist group Cerberus..." ~The very article linked to in this thread o_o
Next, you'll tell me there's nothing remotely racist about the National Socialist Movement.

To be fair, at least in the crisis part, it's already been proven that that's true.  When the Krogan Rebellions happened, the council didn't do anything until they hit a council species.

[LucidStrike]

HiroVoid wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I rmmbr debatin' Cerberus on these forums back before ME2, and so many people said they weren't supremacists. Smh.

They aren't.

"...warning of the increasing danger of human-supremacist group Cerberus..." ~The very article linked to in this thread o_o
Next, you'll tell me there's nothing remotely racist about the National Socialist Movement.

To be fair, at least in the crisis part, it's already been proven that that's true.  When the Krogan Rebellions happened, the council didn't do anything until they hit a council species.

Bah. Representative democracy is hardly democracy at all. Just because the council sucks doesn't mean every one counted among their respective species is a xenophobe.

Also, TIM's was INFURIATED that Shepard destroyed the base he thought could have "secured human dominance". He's supremacist and so is his organization. Anyone who's even sympathetic to Cerberus is insane.