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[McAllyster]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Well, the galaxy is a per-etty big and spacious place. There's more than enough room for an army to hide.

So why doesn't everyone have an army?

A lot of groups has a small army. Mercanary gangs for example - Shepard killed hundreds of Blue Suns, Blood Packs, etc., but that was nothing for them.

Cerberus has more money than the major merc gangs combined; they could resurrect Shepard and build one of the most expensive ship of the Galaxy... Remember, from the price of the Normandy SR-1 the Alliance could built lot's of fighters or frigates (as an Alliance admiral stated).

So Cerberus has enough resources for buying an entire army...

[General User]

The SR1 was the first ship of it's class, incorporating many radical new technologies. Much of the cost associated with building it would be in R&D. Subsequent ships of the class would be nowhere near as expensive.

[Farbautisonn]

General User wrote...

The SR1 was the first ship of it's class, incorporating many radical new technologies. Much of the cost associated with building it would be in R&D. Subsequent ships of the class would be nowhere near as expensive.

And yet the SR2 incorporates reaper tech, and later a splattering of highly expensive and experimental tech from a plethora of sources, but most derived from or inspired by interaction with the reapers or reaper tech.

Mass producing SR2s would be next to impossible.

[General User]

Quite right.

There will, of course, come a day when the technologies Cerberus pioneered for the Collector Campaign will be either commonplace or obsolete. But, for now, the SR2 can only reasonably be consider as a one-of-a-kind ship.

[MisterJB]

I wonder how many humans have been experimented on in Sur'Kesh at the hands of the STG.

Modifié par MisterJB, 26 février 2012 - 04:47 .

[General User]

Good question. I would guess the answer is "as many as the STG thought it needed and could get away with taking."

The salarians aren't at all shy about wiping out or otherwise neutralizing races that catch their concern. If they don't have several ongoing efforts to develop weapons purposefully meant to exterminate the human race, I'd be shocked.

[andy6915]

MisterJB wrote...

I wonder how many humans have been experimented on in Sur'Kesh at the hands of the STG.

Wait, you mean that you suspect that the grey/gray aliens that people have long said have abducted them and ran experiments on them and then dropped them back onto Earth when they were done were actually Salarians? Fascinating theory. If it's proven to be true, the Alliance could get concessions out of the Salarian government.

[CroGamer002]

General User wrote...

Good question. I would guess the answer is "as many as the STG thought it needed and could get away with taking."

The salarians aren't at all shy about wiping out or otherwise neutralizing races that catch their concern. If they don't have several ongoing efforts to develop weapons purposefully meant to exterminate the human race, I'd be shocked.

They wouldn't kill Krogans so they give Genophage instead and yet would have weapon to kill all humans?

Modifié par Mesina2, 26 février 2012 - 05:02 .

[MisterJB]

No, I suspect that since the STG has no problems with having a "Yagh specimen" being sent to the labs, they would  also have no qualms about doing the same to humans who are a much bigger threat to salarian interests than a quarantined species.

Mesina2 wrote...
They wouldn't kill Krogans so they give Genophage instead and yet would have weapon to kill all humans?

Exterminate us? Maybe not but making sure we are never a threat again? Most certainly so.

[General User]

Mesina2 wrote...

General User wrote...

Good question. I would guess the answer is "as many as the STG thought it needed and could get away with taking."

The salarians aren't at all shy about wiping out or otherwise neutralizing races that catch their concern. If they don't have several ongoing efforts to develop weapons purposefully meant to exterminate the human race, I'd be shocked.

They wouldn't kill Krogans so they give Genophage instead and yet would have weapon to kill all humans?

I would think that would depend on which salarian you ask.

[ArkkAngel007]

Mesina2 wrote...

General User wrote...

Good question. I would guess the answer is "as many as the STG thought it needed and could get away with taking."

The salarians aren't at all shy about wiping out or otherwise neutralizing races that catch their concern. If they don't have several ongoing efforts to develop weapons purposefully meant to exterminate the human race, I'd be shocked.

They wouldn't kill Krogans so they give Genophage instead and yet would have weapon to kill all humans?

Not that they wouldn't kill the Krogan, just that they had a more demoralizing and efficient solution to the Rebellions.  If they had no choice, they would have implemented more morbid measures.

[LucidStrike]

...How are humans a threat to the Salarians? What are you people on about? The Salarians had the Krogan nearly exterminate the Rachni to end the Rachni WAR. They released the genophage to end the Krogan REBELLIONS. The First Contact War is over, and I doubt it was ever on nearly the same scale as those two conflicts.

Ya'll are just bein' paranoid and/or xenophobic. =/

Modifié par LucidStrike, 26 février 2012 - 06:28 .

[Dean_the_Young]

The Salarians are paranoid and/or xenophobic.

[LucidStrike]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Salarians are paranoid and/or xenophobic.

Whether that's largely true or not, thefact remains that the actions they took were made to end very intense conflicts. The only intense conflict humans are in is with the Reapers.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 26 février 2012 - 06:38 .

[General User]

The salarians have a pattern of exterminating and/or neutralizing entire races. We would be fools to trust them. We would also be fools not to make similar plans to deal with them, should the need arise. That's where Cerberus comes in.

[BoldBigFlank]

ahh the media somone points out a hole in the story then a writer writes a small news letter and patches thus hole.... still tho storys bad ass

[Nathan Redgrave]

General User wrote...

The salarians have a pattern of exterminating and/or neutralizing entire races.

I would hardly call the one time a "pattern." And no, the Rachni don't count. That was just the Salarians uplifting a bunch of angry lizards to serve as shock troopers against aliens that were trying to kill everyone else already.

The Salarians only resorted to the genophage because the Krogans were being very violent towards other races in their efforts to take over more territory--they were, as I recall, actively muscling in on other races' territory. The genophage was a countermeasure, not a case of whimsy. It's not like Salarians have this track record for randomly wiping out races for no reason.

[CroGamer002]

General User wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

General User wrote...

Good question. I would guess the answer is "as many as the STG thought it needed and could get away with taking."

The salarians aren't at all shy about wiping out or otherwise neutralizing races that catch their concern. If they don't have several ongoing efforts to develop weapons purposefully meant to exterminate the human race, I'd be shocked.

They wouldn't kill Krogans so they give Genophage instead and yet would have weapon to kill all humans?

I would think that would depend on which salarian you ask.

True enough.

[MisterJB]

LucidStrike wrote...

...How are humans a threat to the Salarians? What are you people on about?

All species are a threat to each other. What happened once the humans encroached on the batarian borders? Armed conflict.

The salarians and humans have never been at war but to assume that they never will and not make preparations for it is naive and foolish.

[LucidStrike]

MisterJB wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

...How are humans a threat to the Salarians? What are you people on about?

All species are a threat to each other. What happened once the humans encroached on the batarian borders? Armed conflict.

The salarians and humans have never been at war but to assume that they never will and not make preparations for it is naive and foolish.

First, that's not fact but pessimism. 'Threat' is too strong a word, one which implies hostility. What's more, it's perfectly possible for them to organize the galactic community in a way that makes peaceful co-existance easier. That they all exist as nations I think is a major fault line from which these wars spew. I don't feel like goin' too deep into the socio-economics of the ME universe, but yeah, I think they could do better.

Second, "naive and foolish"? Redundant much? =/

Modifié par LucidStrike, 26 février 2012 - 06:59 .

[General User]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...
I would hardly call the one time a "pattern." And no, the Rachni don't count. That was just the Salarians uplifting a bunch of angry lizards to serve as shock troopers against aliens that were trying to kill everyone else already.

I never said the salarians weren't justified or even that I disagree with their decisions. 

And yes, the rachni do count.  The Rachni Wars ended with an organized campaign of extermination organized by the salarians and carried out (mostly) by their catspaws the krogan, all at the behest of the Citadel Council.  So, three times (they deployed the genophage twice).  Once is a fluke, twice is a coincidence, three times is a... pattern.

Nathan Redgrave wrote...
The Salarians only resorted to the genophage because the Krogans were being very violent towards other races in their efforts to take over more territory--they were, as I recall, actively muscling in on other races' territory. The genophage was a countermeasure, not a case of whimsy.

And I'm sure they're readying a wide range of "countermeasures" for humanity. 

Nathan Redgrave wrote...
It's not like Salarians have this track record for randomly wiping out races for no reason.

I never said they did.

Modifié par General User, 26 février 2012 - 07:00 .

[MisterJB]

LucidStrike wrote...
First, that's not fact but pessimism. 'Threat' is too strong a word, one which implies hostility. What's more, it's perfectly possible for them to organize the galactic community in a way that makes peaceful co-existance easier. That they all exist as nations I think is a major fault line from which these wars spew. I don't feel like goin' too deep into the socio-economics of the ME universe, but yeah, I think they could do better.

Pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist.
Of course they could do better. Anything that result in conflict could have been handled better. However, sometimes there is just no other possibility. I don't see the different races of the ME universe managing to create a true galactic community where terms like "species" lose all meaning before the word "sentient" any more than I see borders or nations becoming obsolete in our world.

Modifié par MisterJB, 26 février 2012 - 07:15 .

[Farbautisonn]

Why do you people think we still do research in biological and chemical weapons?

Because if we can think it up, so can the others, and if they can think it up, we need a countermeasure.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 26 février 2012 - 07:27 .

[General User]

Aye. Or a deterrent.

[LucidStrike]

MisterJB wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...
First, that's not fact but pessimism. 'Threat' is too strong a word, one which implies hostility. What's more, it's perfectly possible for them to organize the galactic community in a way that makes peaceful co-existance easier. That they all exist as nations I think is a major fault line from which these wars spew. I don't feel like goin' too deep into the socio-economics of the ME universe, but yeah, I think they could do better.

Pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist.
Of course they could do better. Anything that result in conflict could have been handled better. However, sometimes there is just no other possibility. I don't see the different races of the ME universe managing to create a true galactic community where terms like "species" lose all meaning before the word "sentient" any more than I see borders or nations becoming obsolete in our world.

Ugh. That line about pessimism being MORE realistic is pure hubris. I'm a CRITICAL optimist. My feet are planted as firmly on the ground as any pessimist, but that doesn't mean I can't look toward the sky. At any rate, my point was that, like the glass half full/empty thing, the assertion that every species is a threat to every other is a matter of PERCEPTION and disposition, not straight fact.

Conflict is a fact of every society in which there are distinct minds. Not every conflict or potential conflict counts as a threat. Two people wanting the same slice of pizza puts them in conflict, but it doesn't make them threats to one another. =/

As for the dissolution of nations in both their world and ours, as an optimist, I see it as desirable, and, as a realist, I see it as necessary.