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[General User]

LucidStrike wrote...
Conflict is a fact of every society in which there are distinct minds. Not every conflict or potential conflict counts as a threat. Two people wanting the same slice of pizza puts them in conflict, but it doesn't make them threats to one another. =/

Depends on the cultural norms and backgrounds of the people involved, and the specifics of the situation, namely how badly they want that slice of pizza.

LucidStrike wrote...
As for the dissolution of nations in both their world and ours, as an optimist, I see it as desirable, and, as a realist, I see it as necessary.

Like John Lennon said "we'd all love to see the plan."  Just don't go thinking anyone should start off full-scale.

Modifié par General User, 26 février 2012 - 08:17 .

[IamSithari]

Yuqi wrote...

The Alliance and Cerberus are in each others pants.

Your right they benefit from eachother and the alliance is humanity and cerberus its power. the council/turains as spectres like saren, nihilus, and that asari, her name slips me,. Salarians have STG and Mordin do unspeakahble things to other species. the asari have the justicars which are commandos with rule of law against them. and the krogans have/had their battlemasters whom also part take in much of the same things as the others aliens. 

[IamSithari]

General User wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

General User wrote...

Good question. I would guess the answer is "as many as the STG thought it needed and could get away with taking."

The salarians aren't at all shy about wiping out or otherwise neutralizing races that catch their concern. If they don't have several ongoing efforts to develop weapons purposefully meant to exterminate the human race, I'd be shocked.

They wouldn't kill Krogans so they give Genophage instead and yet would have weapon to kill all humans?

I would think that would depend on which salarian you ask.

A human, krogan, batarian, quarian, and even the vorcha alliance the council doesnt want that at all and from the looks of it coucil space is pretty small compared to the terminus and traverse. and for all we know the coucil members treat eachother with the same distrust.

[Dean_the_Young]

LucidStrike wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Salarians are paranoid and/or xenophobic.

Whether that's largely true or not, thefact remains that the actions they took were made to end very intense conflicts. The only intense conflict humans are in is with the Reapers.

The Salarians strive for anticipation and pre-emption, not reaction. That's their military strategy, as well as the ethos of the STG. They actively look for problems before they develop, and then create the counter-measure before it becomes an issue.

Humans are friendly now, but what about in ten years from now? Or how about ten years ago, when the Humans weren't trusted or close allies but were ambitious and power hungry?

[IamSithari]

LucidStrike wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Salarians are paranoid and/or xenophobic.

Whether that's largely true or not, thefact remains that the actions they took were made to end very intense conflicts. The only intense conflict humans are in is with the Reapers.

you know your right because all the species passed their galactic tests and overcame it. krogans bet the rachni to death because the salarians uplifted them and then downgraded them again. the turians keep the galaxy in check with their spectres and military, and im sure no male or feale would say no to an asari propersition, the humans beat the crap out of batarians whom loss favor because they got beat. the council only stopped the FCW because the tough guy turians got bloodied bad by upstart human plus shepard killing saren didnt help either nor makes them want rush to help humans.

[IamSithari]

By the way i think mordin released that damn plague on omega. it followed his clinic being setup. and he likes humans extremely so. that was just a test of humanities resilience, besides they may have gotten the genophage from the Collectors.

[Nicator]

IamSithari wrote...

By the way i think mordin released that damn plague on omega. it followed his clinic being setup. and he likes humans extremely so. that was just a test of humanities resilience, besides they may have gotten the genophage from the Collectors.

You wouldn't happen to be Zulu's illiterate brother? Your nonsensical conspiracy theories sound just like something he would say. According to your logic EDi was made by the quarians because they are good with AIs and the genophage was released by the krogan themselves because they love their race so extremely and just wanted to test their own resilience.

[eskr]

 I think the "Cerberus" threat is blown out of proportion.  Show me some hard evidence, otherwise I'm calling "snowjob" by alient agitators. <_<

[Homey C-Dawg]

Cerberus is a threat? Boy nothing gets past the alliance does it?

[knightnblu]

"A confiscated recruitment video included in the report states the Cerberus mentality plainly: “Other species may talk with us, trade with us, even live with us, but when a crisis comes, we are on our own.”"

Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, Ashley said essentially the same thing back in ME1. Is there some sort of ideological linkage there I wonder?

[DJBare]

CerberusSoldier wrote...
us humans need a group to stand up for us in the ME universe

Why, can you not stand up for yourself?, oh I forgot, unless we have a leader we are just mindless drones wandering around aimlessly.
Anyway, I thought we had a group, the alliance, oh I forgot again, pardon me, their ultimate goal does not involve dominating every other species in the galaxy.

I seriously despise pro human groups whether real or imagined, I much prefer to remember our history and what a bunch of sh*ts we are.

[trogdor100]

a day late and a dollar short, allance should try to figure a plan out on how to route the cerberus threath.

[jkflipflopDAO]

They never really explained why it was TIM just so happens to have had a syringe full of Reaper-provided nanobots on hand to inject into Greyson's brain.

[Han Shot First]

Backup Magus wrote...

Oblivious wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

AeonFrog wrote...

I like to think that the N7 is the human equivalent of the STG and Asari commandos, not Cerberus.

No, N7 are just Navy Seals. Elite, but they're just soldiers.

STG/Cerberus is in essence more like CIA/NSA and such.

N7 doesn't do anything STG wouldn't. According to the first book, the beginning of ME, and the news report in ME2 they conduct deep-insertion raids, recon, and intelligence. It also warrants to say that they may conduct assassinations and sabotage.

The problem is that we have no idea who N7 answer to. According to Shepard/Miranda STG and Commandos answer to their respective governments and take orders from them. We don't know if N7 are like a "regular" SEAL team who belongs to SOCOM but are liable to report to the overall commander of their theatre of operation, or if they're like Delta Force/SEAL team 6 and take order directly from the government, ignoring chain of command.

I personally view N7 as the beginning of humanity's answer to the whole STG/Commando dilemma. But more importantly: who do the Turians have to conduct black operations?

Given that N7 is a vocational military code, it's probably pretty safe to assume they answer to the military command structure, just like any other special operations force.

Agreed.

While there might be a seperate Special Operations command within the Alliance, it is safe to assume that the N7s answer to the Alliance Navy's high command. They'd fall within the Alliance military's command structure, rather than outside it.

[DJBare]

It's gonna feel real good to get back to destroying cerburus soldiers after being forcefully recruited by them, I kept thinking every time I played where's the damn disconnect option, we could do it with the council why not TIM.

[Dean_the_Young]

Because TIM pays for your weapons.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Paula Deen wrote.../snip

STG related casuties and horrors due to the Genophage: In the millions.

Cerberus related casulties and horrors due to experiments: In the thousands. Tops.

Given that the Krogan used to hold multiple planets and given their supposed birth-rates, I'd say billions.

[Farbautisonn]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Paula Deen wrote.../snip

STG related casuties and horrors due to the Genophage: In the millions.

Cerberus related casulties and horrors due to experiments: In the thousands. Tops.

Given that the Krogan used to hold multiple planets and given their supposed birth-rates, I'd say billions.

-I didnt want to take my mouth too full. But year. I believe billions too.

[Lotion Soronarr]

DJBare wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...
us humans need a group to stand up for us in the ME universe

Why, can you not stand up for yourself?, oh I forgot, unless we have a leader we are just mindless drones wandering around aimlessly.
Anyway, I thought we had a group, the alliance, oh I forgot again, pardon me, their ultimate goal does not involve dominating every other species in the galaxy.

I seriously despise pro human groups whether real or imagined, I much prefer to remember our history and what a bunch of sh*ts we are.

What history?
I don't recall humans facing off agaisnt other alien raceson the galactic stage.

I'm really getting pi**ed at people constantly equating being pro-human as something evil and morally abhorrent.
Seriously, if you're so against humantiy then do you part and don't breed!

[incinerator950]

I can't wait for the next News Headline to come by.

[ChaosAgentLoki]

wizardryforever wrote...

The main reason the comparison of Cerberus to the STG or the commandos fails is that the latter two are regulated and controlled by governments.  Governments who can easily be held accountable for the actions of their intelligence operatives.  Cerberus is privately funded, secretly located, and operates outside the bounds of any government agency.  I for one would be a lot more comfortable with Cerberus if they were part of the Alliance.  They would be marginally more acceptable then.

As for Cerberus recruitment, I'd say that this has been going on for a while.  The Illusive Man ramped up recruitment and stockpiling even before ME2, following the Battle of the Citadel, as the Shadow Broker dossier shows.  He likely upped recruitment even more after Retribution.  Yeah, Cerberus was hit pretty hard in Retribution, but it never specifies exactly how hard.  For all we know, maybe TIM has already recovered from those losses.  Hell, the Council's treatment of the whole Reaper situation (burying their heads in the sand) undoubtedly helps Cerberus recruitment.  It's not as far fetched as many people think it is.

^^This

For all those who are struggling to understand how Cerberus could be at this power level. Well, here you go. Wonderful input that clears up a lot for me at the very least.

[Lotion Soronarr]

the satirist wrote...

The developement of cerberus is quite amusing. Starting as a secret organisation (one that plasters every possible spot with it's logo); which is also claimed to be barely known to anyone, aside from the fact that every other person you encounter in ME2 knows them, and now they finally feature on galaxy wide news networks, promote recruiting videos and also start a full scale war against the whole galaxy, after being at the brink of destruction several times in the past books and games.

But then again, with the STG being another secret group who publishes its reports on the daily news at the same time, one shouldn't wonder about such insignificant trivia.

agreed.