Cerberus expansion deemed "significant threat" - Alliance News Network
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#51
Posté 25 février 2012 - 06:26
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Come on we all know Cerberus found the Emperors cloning facility and that is how they are replenishing their numbers.
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#52
Posté 25 février 2012 - 06:28
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The military command structure and politics go hand-in-hand, both in real life and, it seems from ME3's intro, in Mass Effect. The President of the United States is Commander-in-Chief and the British Royal Family hold military ranks, so it goes without saying that they answer to the command structure. What I'm curious is whether N7 answer to somebody in higher ranks than them, like a conventional military force, whether they report to a specific organization in the military like SOCOM, or whether they answer directly to the government like the British SAS or Delta Force.Backup Magus wrote...
Given that N7 is a vocational military code, it's probably pretty safe to assume they answer to the military command structure, just like any other special operations force.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 06:30
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I can't seem to read it can someone pm me what it says.
#54
Posté 25 février 2012 - 06:36
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The main reason the comparison of Cerberus to the STG or the commandos fails is that the latter two are regulated and controlled by governments. Governments who can easily be held accountable for the actions of their intelligence operatives. Cerberus is privately funded, secretly located, and operates outside the bounds of any government agency. I for one would be a lot more comfortable with Cerberus if they were part of the Alliance. They would be marginally more acceptable then.
As for Cerberus recruitment, I'd say that this has been going on for a while. The Illusive Man ramped up recruitment and stockpiling even before ME2, following the Battle of the Citadel, as the Shadow Broker dossier shows. He likely upped recruitment even more after Retribution. Yeah, Cerberus was hit pretty hard in Retribution, but it never specifies exactly how hard. For all we know, maybe TIM has already recovered from those losses. Hell, the Council's treatment of the whole Reaper situation (burying their heads in the sand) undoubtedly helps Cerberus recruitment. It's not as far fetched as many people think it is.
As for Cerberus recruitment, I'd say that this has been going on for a while. The Illusive Man ramped up recruitment and stockpiling even before ME2, following the Battle of the Citadel, as the Shadow Broker dossier shows. He likely upped recruitment even more after Retribution. Yeah, Cerberus was hit pretty hard in Retribution, but it never specifies exactly how hard. For all we know, maybe TIM has already recovered from those losses. Hell, the Council's treatment of the whole Reaper situation (burying their heads in the sand) undoubtedly helps Cerberus recruitment. It's not as far fetched as many people think it is.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 07:06
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Saphra's objection is more on the ground of the narrative foreshadowing and cues, of which there were a number that Cerberus would be a smaller presence.
Then again, Bioware had two games/DLC that suggested the Batarians would be a Big Deal.
Then again, Bioware had two games/DLC that suggested the Batarians would be a Big Deal.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 07:26
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Jessica Merizan wrote...
Every Friday, we bring you the latest coverage
from the Alliance News Network on the state of the galaxy.
Read today's post here.
I should go.
I was playing Mass Effect 2 a couple of hours ago, and I noticed that the Cerberus Daily News had a post in it
but now it has been removed 
I was contacting everyone I could think of that has anything to do with the making of Mass Effect 3 on Twitter asking where was the CDN.When it was suppose to return a day or two ago. But in any case, its an interesting Blog.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 07:29
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Spectres only have that power because the council chooses to look the other way on their actions, they could just as easily unseal the records and go after Cerberus right after the war with the Reapers.Dean_the_Young wrote...
Nathan Redgrave wrote...
Saphra Deden wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
The actual Cerberus (re)expansion begins after the Retribution story ends. The means will be addressed in the game, but they're very much things that weren't known beforehand.
Retribution was a fun read so I'm very glad that Bioware rendered the entire experience pointless.
Right. And if they had gone down the "Cerberus is a total non-entity" route, we'd all be complaining that BioWare killed off the awesome pro-human black ops organization in a peripheral novel rather than in-game.
Make TIM a Spectre or not (better than just -snip-)
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 07:37
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I doubt that they will be portrayed as a significant military threat. Their "army" is probably just a group of well-equipped strike teams supported by Cerberus' intelligence network.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 07:50
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Given that I know the explanation behind how it's happening, I like the build up and foreshadowing of how Cerberus is suddenly getting so many minions. Adds a nice bit of mystery to the plot, and twists
behind it.
Oh, and rest assured, it doesn't contradict Retribution, and those blindly supporting Cerberus are just being naively idiotic gits again.
behind it.
Oh, and rest assured, it doesn't contradict Retribution, and those blindly supporting Cerberus are just being naively idiotic gits again.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 07:51
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greatgeek wrote...
I doubt that they will be portrayed as a significant military threat. Their "army" is probably just a group of well-equipped strike teams supported by Cerberus' intelligence network.
I wouldn't say they're very well equipped, considering I've probably killed thousands already in the MP demo.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 08:02
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Given that I know the explanation behind how it's happening, I like the build up and foreshadowing of how Cerberus is suddenly getting so many minions. Adds a nice bit of mystery to the plot, and twists
behind it.
Oh, and rest assured, it doesn't contradict Retribution, and those blindly supporting Cerberus are just being naively idiotic gits again.
Not one thing you've said is true other than your opinion of the "foreshadowing". Retribution has a whole has largely been ignored by ME3.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 08:05
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Saphra's objection is more on the ground of the narrative foreshadowing and cues, of which there were a number that Cerberus would be a smaller presence.
Then again, Bioware had two games/DLC that suggested the Batarians would be a Big Deal.
Exactly. Everything up until Deception/Leak suggested Cerberus would be weaker and in a smaller role in ME3 (keep in mind weakness can mean desperation) and that the batarians would be major antagonists, what with the terrorist attacks in ME1 and ME2 and then the suggestion of war in Arrival. However none of that materializes and all Arrival serves as is a cheap reason to have Shepard on trial on Earth. Even in that capacity it fails because Arrival was never necessary for that. Even before Arrival it was clear that the Alliance wanted to interrogate Shepard.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 08:14
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Zkyire wrote...
"A confiscated recruitment video included in the report states the Cerberus mentality plainly: “Other species may talk with us, trade with us, even live with us, but when a crisis comes, we are on our own.”
..that's actually true.
The Quarians can attest to that.
Amen brother! :innocent:
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 08:18
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Ok I have suddenly felt the need to clear up a bit of apparant confussion.
All US Special Forces elements report to USSOCOM (Well the Marine's have MARSOC now but that still goes to SOCOM). This includes:
US Army Alpha teams: The guys out in the field, they earned the name "force multiplier" from their role as the guys who go out, live with a given group of LNs and train them for unconventional warfare. In short these are the direct combat guys and when most people think "delta force" these are the guys that they really mean, sorry but the movies screwed that one up.
US Army Bravo teams: These are the support guys for Alpha teams and Delta teams while on operations, and technically when not on operations but anyway. Basically direct support.
US Army Charlie teams: These are also a support group but more in the line of "command and control". They provide the back end for group operations.
US Army Delta teams: Yes, finally everyone's favorite group, only there are so many misconceptions about them it isn't even funny. Delta teams are units that deal in anti-terrorist and hostage rescue. Most of what people attribute to these guys are actually jobs of the Alpha teams.
There are other Army SF groups, generally speaking Rangers and in many cases 10th Mountain are included in this. Rangers are Special Forces, even so far as they answer to SOCOM for most of their missions, but not always and they are specialized light infantry. 10th Mountain is a little like this but really more just trained for mountain combat, not "teams" work.
US Marine Corps Force Recon: (FORECON) Intel gathering plain and simple. They used to also have a larger combat role but that was largely taken away by the next group, but they can still do the job if need be.
US Marine Corps Special Operations Teams: (MSOT) The combat side of things for the Marines.
Im not going to bother going through the Expeditionary Units.
US Navy SEALs: Ok, all SEAL teams answer to SOCOM. Technically there is no "Team 6", hasn't been since the 80s but they just pretty much switched to being called DEVGRU or NSWDG. They have a loose chain of command, even more so than other SF groups. They primarily answer to the Join Special Operations Command, Anyway, they aren't "outside" the chain of command, just take a slightly different path through it. These also tend to be the military component that works with the CIA.
US Navy SWCC: These are basically the support folks for the SEALs, special combat boat crews and the like. You don't hear about them as much because most operations in todays world that people think about happen very firmly on land.
Ok, sorry but there is just no way I'm going to go through the Air Force stuff in total. So in short, and what I can think of:
Pararescue: if you need saving and someone else isn't closer, well these guys will get you out.
Special Air/Tactics/Operations Wings: They fly all the crazy what have yous, everything from transporting SF folks to gunships and UAVs.
Recon: doesn't really need explenation.
Combat Control: Ground combat group that do pretty much what other SF groups do, but also figure crap out for aircraft.
I think that generally covers it, while skipping all the weather and other strange stuff.
Ok, I know I missed/skipped some things but I think I already went a bit overboard as it is. Now, all of those units answer to the military in one way or another, not directly to the government (outside of the pres, vice pres, sec of def etc. but thats all military units). Yes many of them will be linked up with intelligence groups and do missions that way but thats still with the overall command of the military in place. Some Senator isn't going to pick up the phone and suddenly have an SF team at their disposal.
Now where it does get a bit crazy is that not all Special Operations groups work for the military. The CIA has had their own trained teams of recon and combat operatives for a rather long time. (SOG being the action group). Also the FBI fields their own anti-terrorism units now days, and not just inside the US. Both recruit from the special operations branches of the military and both do much the same jobs as those branches. Just in terms of the CIA they get more of a very loose leash in what they are allowed to do. As a Cpt. of mine once said, "you can do quite a lot, as long as you don't get caught and no one writes a *** **** report about it." Of coruse he was speaking to the nature of special operations when saying that but it stands to reason in the non military world. If it isn't on paper, it didn't happen.
It seems as though N7 are military based special operations teams. Doesn't make them any less effective, or limit what they would be capable of. The only limits on them are those that would be placed by the government/military so if in this future of ME they give them a very high degree of operational freedom then why develop yet another group to do the same. You can have these folks do all the crazy stuff you want, provided your willing to let them and set up their command/support structures to make it possible. It seems if anything that the N7 guys/gals need a recon arm, unless i'v missed something. They seem like the action arm of a SO group, whose doing the deep recon work for them? I suppose they could be just winging it, who knows and it is a game.
Ohh wow, sorry wasn't expecting it to be quite this long of a post.
All US Special Forces elements report to USSOCOM (Well the Marine's have MARSOC now but that still goes to SOCOM). This includes:
US Army Alpha teams: The guys out in the field, they earned the name "force multiplier" from their role as the guys who go out, live with a given group of LNs and train them for unconventional warfare. In short these are the direct combat guys and when most people think "delta force" these are the guys that they really mean, sorry but the movies screwed that one up.
US Army Bravo teams: These are the support guys for Alpha teams and Delta teams while on operations, and technically when not on operations but anyway. Basically direct support.
US Army Charlie teams: These are also a support group but more in the line of "command and control". They provide the back end for group operations.
US Army Delta teams: Yes, finally everyone's favorite group, only there are so many misconceptions about them it isn't even funny. Delta teams are units that deal in anti-terrorist and hostage rescue. Most of what people attribute to these guys are actually jobs of the Alpha teams.
There are other Army SF groups, generally speaking Rangers and in many cases 10th Mountain are included in this. Rangers are Special Forces, even so far as they answer to SOCOM for most of their missions, but not always and they are specialized light infantry. 10th Mountain is a little like this but really more just trained for mountain combat, not "teams" work.
US Marine Corps Force Recon: (FORECON) Intel gathering plain and simple. They used to also have a larger combat role but that was largely taken away by the next group, but they can still do the job if need be.
US Marine Corps Special Operations Teams: (MSOT) The combat side of things for the Marines.
Im not going to bother going through the Expeditionary Units.
US Navy SEALs: Ok, all SEAL teams answer to SOCOM. Technically there is no "Team 6", hasn't been since the 80s but they just pretty much switched to being called DEVGRU or NSWDG. They have a loose chain of command, even more so than other SF groups. They primarily answer to the Join Special Operations Command, Anyway, they aren't "outside" the chain of command, just take a slightly different path through it. These also tend to be the military component that works with the CIA.
US Navy SWCC: These are basically the support folks for the SEALs, special combat boat crews and the like. You don't hear about them as much because most operations in todays world that people think about happen very firmly on land.
Ok, sorry but there is just no way I'm going to go through the Air Force stuff in total. So in short, and what I can think of:
Pararescue: if you need saving and someone else isn't closer, well these guys will get you out.
Special Air/Tactics/Operations Wings: They fly all the crazy what have yous, everything from transporting SF folks to gunships and UAVs.
Recon: doesn't really need explenation.
Combat Control: Ground combat group that do pretty much what other SF groups do, but also figure crap out for aircraft.
I think that generally covers it, while skipping all the weather and other strange stuff.
Ok, I know I missed/skipped some things but I think I already went a bit overboard as it is. Now, all of those units answer to the military in one way or another, not directly to the government (outside of the pres, vice pres, sec of def etc. but thats all military units). Yes many of them will be linked up with intelligence groups and do missions that way but thats still with the overall command of the military in place. Some Senator isn't going to pick up the phone and suddenly have an SF team at their disposal.
Now where it does get a bit crazy is that not all Special Operations groups work for the military. The CIA has had their own trained teams of recon and combat operatives for a rather long time. (SOG being the action group). Also the FBI fields their own anti-terrorism units now days, and not just inside the US. Both recruit from the special operations branches of the military and both do much the same jobs as those branches. Just in terms of the CIA they get more of a very loose leash in what they are allowed to do. As a Cpt. of mine once said, "you can do quite a lot, as long as you don't get caught and no one writes a *** **** report about it." Of coruse he was speaking to the nature of special operations when saying that but it stands to reason in the non military world. If it isn't on paper, it didn't happen.
It seems as though N7 are military based special operations teams. Doesn't make them any less effective, or limit what they would be capable of. The only limits on them are those that would be placed by the government/military so if in this future of ME they give them a very high degree of operational freedom then why develop yet another group to do the same. You can have these folks do all the crazy stuff you want, provided your willing to let them and set up their command/support structures to make it possible. It seems if anything that the N7 guys/gals need a recon arm, unless i'v missed something. They seem like the action arm of a SO group, whose doing the deep recon work for them? I suppose they could be just winging it, who knows and it is a game.
Ohh wow, sorry wasn't expecting it to be quite this long of a post.
#66
Posté 25 février 2012 - 08:19
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Saphra Deden wrote...
AeonFrog wrote...
I like to think that the N7 is the human equivalent of the STG and Asari commandos, not Cerberus.
No, N7 are just Navy Seals. Elite, but they're just soldiers.
STG/Cerberus is in essence more like CIA/NSA and such.
Yep; something like that.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 08:21
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Saphra Deden wrote...
Nathan Redgrave wrote...
I doubt they're stupid enough to let their recruitment efforts be so traceable as to actually jeopardize anything of importance.
You cannot recruit this many people and keep it a secret. Much less train them and equip them and actually use them.
It's ridiculous.
If they're doing alot of this in the Terminus Systems.They could stay under the radar.Look how long it took the Alliance and Council to figure out what happened to all the missing human colonist in 2185.Cerberus, thanks to Veetor, discovered who was behind the abductions on Freedom's Progress.Two or three more colonies were hit before the Alliance and Council got thier heads out of there buttpuckers (as Gardner would say
) And realized that Cerberus weren't the the ones behind it.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 08:29
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If they're doing alot of this in the Terminus Systems.
They are doing way more than anybody in the Terminus Systems. Hell, they took over the second biggest space station in the galaxy.
Not to mention their money doesn't come from there. The Terminus Systems isn't a good place to make money in the first place if you aren't a merc as it isn't stable.
It's bad writing and you know why? For it to happen everything we learned about Cerberus up until ME3 has to be thrown out the window. That means everything we learned was pointless. There was no reason for any of it. They should have just kept us in the dark.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 08:32
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didymos1120 wrote...
Zkyire wrote...
"A confiscated recruitment video included in the report states the Cerberus mentality plainly: “Other species may talk with us, trade with us, even live with us, but when a crisis comes, we are on our own.”
..that's actually true.
The Quarians can attest to that.
It's not always true. For instance, the Council stepped in to stop the turians from wrecking Earth. Of course, that was a relatively low-risk situation for them to get involved with.
No that Cerberus statement has been proven true repeatedly thoughout the franchise. It's so true that it's actually ridiculous.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 08:34
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CerberusSoldier wrote...
Oh so STG and Asari Commandos are fine but a pro human group is not . maybe the alliance needs a army oh wait I forgot they don't want war only peace
STG and Asari Commandos are actually overseen by governments (well, in the case of asari commandos, I'm not referring to asari with commando-level skill, I'm referring to the government-trained-and-operated special forces). Cerberus is accountable to no one, and follows the absolute authority of a single, ruthless and enigmatic man.
The most controversial thing the STG has ever done is the genophage (and/or its modification). Compare that to Cerberus' common actions: Akuze, torturing and murdering an Alliance Admiral after massacring his men, trying to breed Rachni and Thorian Thralls as shock troopers, Teltin, the attack on the Migrant Fleet, each of the eezo explosion/contamination disasters (creating many of humanity's early biotics, at the cost of thousands of lives--most of them BABIES), Project Overlord (which TIM condoned)...and that's just off the top of my head. It's strongly implied (and outright shown in some cases) that Cerberus regularly conducts assassinations, even of other like-minded humans.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 08:45
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Good. Then maybe I can get some dedicated help in saving the galaxy instead of having to observe nicieties and playing friendly to people who basically pissed all over me, and my status for being human alone.
Why the STG didnt decide to publish information the reapers or the collectors is interesting. Reapers are still information privy to the few and the extranet. The councill is full of Chamberlains who would rather desperately hold on to their own illusions than listen to a human who is even a spectre. Pissing all over the status of the institution they themselves instigated. Saren gets trust up the kazoo. The guy who exposted him as a genocidal maniac and saves the citadel and the councill plus the known galaxy... not.
Huh? Are you stupid? Or is this a human thing? Its not hard at all for Cerberus to argue that they arent the ones who act xenophobic. That it is infact the rest of the galaxy that act as if Human are a nessesary evil. Krogan Cannonfodder.
The rest of the galaxy is bogged down in politics, idiocy, commissions, halfspoken truths and outright lies. While the holocaust moves closer. And the reaction of the people who are elected or who have elected themselves as leaders... Nothing.
If thats the kind of help I can expect... I want Cerberus on my side. And Ill work hard to become magistratus extraordinarius, Dictator if thats what it takes.
Why the STG didnt decide to publish information the reapers or the collectors is interesting. Reapers are still information privy to the few and the extranet. The councill is full of Chamberlains who would rather desperately hold on to their own illusions than listen to a human who is even a spectre. Pissing all over the status of the institution they themselves instigated. Saren gets trust up the kazoo. The guy who exposted him as a genocidal maniac and saves the citadel and the councill plus the known galaxy... not.
Huh? Are you stupid? Or is this a human thing? Its not hard at all for Cerberus to argue that they arent the ones who act xenophobic. That it is infact the rest of the galaxy that act as if Human are a nessesary evil. Krogan Cannonfodder.
The rest of the galaxy is bogged down in politics, idiocy, commissions, halfspoken truths and outright lies. While the holocaust moves closer. And the reaction of the people who are elected or who have elected themselves as leaders... Nothing.
If thats the kind of help I can expect... I want Cerberus on my side. And Ill work hard to become magistratus extraordinarius, Dictator if thats what it takes.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 08:46
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Paula Deen wrote.../snip
STG related casuties and horrors due to the Genophage: In the millions.
Cerberus related casulties and horrors due to experiments: In the thousands. Tops.
#73
Posté 25 février 2012 - 08:58
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BSN has been complaining about Cerberus' expansion for almost a year now and the Council hasn't once granted them an audience.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 09:04
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Farbautisonn wrote...
Paula Deen wrote.../snip
STG related casuties and horrors due to the Genophage: In the millions.
Cerberus related casulties and horrors due to experiments: In the thousands. Tops.
Give them time.
#75
Posté 25 février 2012 - 09:05
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The Great and Powerful Trixie wrote...
Comparing Cerberus to the NSA doesn't really make sense. The NSA is an intelligence gathering agency. Cerberus is more of an extremist group than anything.
I'd go with the term "human supremacist group," unless you can come up with something that better connotes the "need to dominate due to severe inadequacy issues" that is Cerberus.
