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[Youknow]

Esbatty wrote...

Why am I gonna hate a guy who is just doing his job?

but when I play Femshep I'm like "What the hell is that crack about Miranda needing a better man? And yet I'm good enough? F**k that noise. I'm going to Hagalaz with Liara and make Feron blush."

Two ways this can be taken

1) Bioware really needs to make characters acknowledge gender better, as that is a statement that is offensive to the opposite gender.
2) It was a sarcastic remark from Jacob. It's basically the nicest way one can say "Miranda is a *****" without actually saying it.

I know I've said comments similar to this like "___ deserves better than me" in a sarcastic way that I'm not going to be pandering to their every whim.

[Tulio06]

Nah, for me to hate him, he would have to matter in something, he doesnt. But no surprise there. Every ME had the new Human Male Soldier that the only thing he does and matter, is just be there.
Kaidan in ME1, Jacob in 2, and Vega in 3. Of the three of them, the only one i hate is Vega, and that just because for him to be there, he replaced so many more compelling chars.

If BW wants a human so bad in their games, just do something like Ashley, Miranda or Jack. Even considering that i dont really like any of them(Ashley fell of my graces in ME2, Jack was too much stereotyped, and Miranda was too much cerberus cheerleader), at least they were interesting. The same thing cant be said of the male humans. The only male Human party member BW did it right, was Sheppard himself.(Zaeed, even having at least a personality, is boring as hell) 

Modifié par Tulio06, 26 février 2012 - 09:37 .

[The_Crazy_Hand]

 He wasn't so bad at first, but then came his uncalled for bull**** about Thane and Legion.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Well every character had someone they hated, practically - except maybe Thane and Garrus. 

There was a confrontation between Mordin and Grunt that was edited out.

Right, but their hate was much more justified.  Jacob had no reason to distrust Thane anymore than Grunt, Samara, Zaeed, or especially Jack.  And Legion, while the first friendly Geth ever encountered, at least deserved a chance given that he could have killed the crew off, but saved them instead.

[Destroy Raiden_]

No, I just hate fshep verbally crawling all over him.

He was the only character who daddy issues didn't become a national emergency. He's the only one that in his own personal crisis he could careless if shep helped him or not. He may seem boring but when you look at him compared to all the other characters he's the only one who doesn't need to fallow shep he is strong mentally and can really take care of himself, he'll be a team player but he's not dependant on the team.

[jeweledleah]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

 He wasn't so bad at first, but then came his uncalled for bull**** about Thane and Legion.

uncalled for?

this is bioware's fault for not exposing it better in game, but Jacob stopped assasination prior to joining Cerberus.  its part of why he joined them i na first place, he and Miranda worked on it together.  so yeah, him mistristing assasin for hire, is plenty justified.

as for Legion?  legion is Geth,  and Jacob served on Eden prime.  something you find out if you actualy talk to him.  he served on Eden prime at the same time as Ashley Williams.  at the sime time as when Saren and his GETH attacked the colony and slaughtered it.

yeah, jacob should totaly trust geth after that amirite?  to be hones,t if that was actual an option?  I would have followed his suggestion and spaced legion had I been in Shepard's shoes.  that or see if Tali could salvage anything useful and THANT space him.

I get it that people think legion is cute, especialy with foresight of a gamer that knows legion is friendly.  but think of it from in game character's perspective.  just you now, try.

P.S.  Jacob was extremely respectful with Samara, he tried to be very friendly with Jack, you could see and hear admiration he had for Garrus and Mordin. just to name a few.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 27 février 2012 - 04:56 .

[The_Crazy_Hand]

jeweledleah wrote...

I'm a Jacob fanboy, please don't bash him, *waaah*

You have your opinion and I have mine, no need for pointless ranting, LOL

[jellobell]

jeweledleah wrote...

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

 He wasn't so bad at first, but then came his uncalled for bull**** about Thane and Legion.

uncalled for?

this is bioware's fault for not exposing it better in game, but Jacob stopped assasination prior to joining Cerberus.  its part of why he joined them i na first place, he and Miranda worked on it together.  so yeah, him mistristing assasin for hire, is plenty justified.

This makes a whole lot of sense. The problem with Jacob imo is that his writer didn't do a great job of getting his character and motivations across to the player. Not everyone played the iphone game (myself included) and it apparently had some pretty important stuff in it that helped you better understand Jacob. This, coupled with the creepy way Femshep talks to him, makes people want to stay away. It would've been better if you could actually see your crewmembers interact with each other in-game so it isn't always him and Shepard talking 1 on 1.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Urdnot Grim wrote...
Hey, using very good examples to answer your arguments shouldn't be considered ranting. Unless it has random gifs and insults.

*inserts gif*

Correct, however, ignoring all my points in order to rigidly defend a character that you are obviously in love with (Jeweldah or whatever has pulled this exact crap in the past), abo****ely should be considered such.  I have no problem addressing valid points if comes from someone who will actually listen and not be a stubborn fanboy.

[jeweledleah]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...
Hey, using very good examples to answer your arguments shouldn't be considered ranting. Unless it has random gifs and insults.

*inserts gif*

Correct, however, ignoring all my points in order to rigidly defend a character that you are obviously in love with (Jeweldah or whatever has pulled this exact crap in the past), abo****ely should be considered such.  I have no problem addressing valid points if comes from someone who will actually listen and not be a stubborn fanboy.

what points?  all I see from you is mindless hate.

@ Jellobell, unfortunately - yes.  the writers did an abismal job explaining Jacob's motivations.  to be honest?  it took me multiple playthroughs and extensive wiki reading before I warmed up to his character.  but it doesn't make him a bad character.  it means that writers didn't do a good job bringing all the necessary exposition into a main game.  one shoudln't have to read so many external sources to get a good idea of why characters behave the way they do.  but at the same time, discounting the real logical, present reasons is well...  I don't have any nice words to describe that

Modifié par jeweledleah, 27 février 2012 - 05:19 .

[The_Crazy_Hand]

jeweledleah wrote...

what points?  all I see from you is mindless hate.

I rest my case, as it takes a special type of deliberate stubbornness to dismiss the fact that Legion saved the lives of the crew when he could have killed them, and saying that he/it at least deserved a chance as "mindless hate".  You are clearly a fanboy who wishes to hear no reason which stands against you.

[jeweledleah]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

what points?  all I see from you is mindless hate.

I rest my case, as it takes a special type of deliberate stubbornness to dismiss the fact that Legion saved the lives of the crew when he could have killed them, and saying that he/it at least deserved a chance as "mindless hate".  You are clearly a fanboy who wishes to hear no reason which stands against you.

who's being dismissive here exactly?  you don't even try to see it from Jacob's perspective.  you blind yourself to the fact that as far as Jacob knows?  Geth are universaly hostile.  was legions behavior odd?  yes.  it was.  was it worth the risk?  from the in game perspective, not as a player that knows legion is a squadmate or that they can reload if something goes wrong. no from perspective of a character.  reactivating legion is high risk.  and jacob's reccomendation is to be on a safe side.  it is especialy fitting if you already did Tali's loyalty mission, you know the one where her father reactivated some Geth and then got the entire research ship murdered by them?  yeah...

does Jacob mutiny?  no.  he disagrees with your decision but he doesn't contest it.  he defers to it.  he gave his reccomendation, Shepard decided to risk it anyways, done.

Edi and Miranda do exactly the same thing when it comes to Grunt.  and grunt is from species that we've actualy met friendly specimens from.  but they are forgiven, while jacob's very similar concern that has even more justification then theirs?  is somehow completely unforgivable.  double standard much?

Modifié par jeweledleah, 27 février 2012 - 05:37 .

[Paul Rodney]

Kaiden and Jacob are the most boring characters in mass effect. They are just so dull and its hard to give a damn abou them. Jack on the other hand is a babe u wanna talk to.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

jeweledleah wrote...

Continued fanboy wanking

And that's exactly why I do not bother trying to reason with you, good day.

[jellobell]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Continued fanboy wanking

And that's exactly why I do not bother trying to reason with you, good day.

Well that's mature.

[jeweledleah]

jellobell wrote...

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Continued fanboy wanking

And that's exactly why I do not bother trying to reason with you, good day.

Well that's mature.

ROFL.  I don't know why I bothered.  I guess the whole "unjustified bull****" got to me.  becasue its most certainly NOT unjustified.  whether you agree with it or not, is a different story, but that particular character behavior had reasons behind it that were grounded in prior experiences.

haters gonna hate i guess..

[The_Crazy_Hand]

jeweledleah wrote...

temper tantrum about people not agreeing with his opinion

LOL, obsessed much?  Let it go dude, if you had actually bothered to listen to anything I said I might have taken you serious.

[Jacy Pane]

Jacob is a bit whiney and has a lot of daddy issues IMO
It's too bad he had one of the best sex scenes in the game.

*Shakes fist*

EDIT: Not to mention he has the personality of a doorknob.

Modifié par Jacy Pane, 02 mars 2012 - 09:59 .

[ARCHETYPE.02]

I don't hate him.