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[TheAntiMoral]

[color=rgb(170,170,170)"> ] legion was talking about could be finished. Because technically legion just stated how long they been working on it, so maybe their almost done and could possibly be complete by the mass effect 3 time zone . With the mega structure complete, maybe geth would get their own personalities or their could just be more geth like "legion", they'll become more socialable and communicate more to organics, they can really help out in the war against the reapers. maybe by this they can get the respect from the galatic communty and be considered part of it. they'll work side by side with different aliens. They can be on the galatic economy by trading or selling their technology. [/color]

Modifié par TheAntiMoral, 25 février 2012 - 07:35 .

[TheAntiMoral]

Maybe in mass effect 3 the Mega-structure legion was talking about could be finished. Because technically legion just stated how long they been working on it, so maybe their almost done and could possibly be complete by the mass effect 3 time zone . With the mega structure complete, maybe geth would get their own personalities or their could just be more geth like "legion", they'll become more socialable and communicate more to organics, they can really help out in the war against the reapers. maybe by this they can get the respect from the galatic communty and be considered part of it. they'll work side by side with different aliens. They can be on the galatic economy by trading or selling their technology.

[Iron Star]

No. They are building a sphere around a big goddamn star. Legion says they've been building it for approx. 250 years. They are, or should, in no way even be close to finish building a friggin' dyson sphere.

I'm not against the idea of a geth dyson sphere, it's just that it IS impossible to complete such a megastucture in such a short amount of time.

[ttchip]

Get fired up wrote...

No. They are building a sphere around a big goddamn star. Legion says they've been building it for approx. 250 years. They are, or should, in no way even be close to finish building a friggin' dyson sphere.

I'm not against the idea of a geth dyson sphere, it's just that it IS impossible to complete such a megastucture in such a short amount of time.

They are building the geth analogue to a Dyson sphere - not an actual one.

Modifié par ttchip, 25 février 2012 - 09:37 .

[Sweawm]

Should take may a few thousand years. Dyson Sphere's are mega structures that completely surround stars from at least planetary radius (See Halo: Ghosts Of Onyx/Glasslands. Those books was obsessed with Dyson Sphere's).
Considering we don't know how exactly big the Geth wanted their Sphere, lets just assume it's a perfect habitable grade Dyson Sphere which completely surrounds the sun from an Earth radius. Now, imagine building a damned sphere around the sun from the distance of Earth. THAT IS SUPER MASSIVE and would harness a hundred percent energy from the sun.

Building a Dyson Sphere...heavy risk....but a prize.

[Matt251287]

ttchip wrote...

Get fired up wrote...

No. They are building a sphere around a big goddamn star. Legion says they've been building it for approx. 250 years. They are, or should, in no way even be close to finish building a friggin' dyson sphere.

I'm not against the idea of a geth dyson sphere, it's just that it IS impossible to complete such a megastucture in such a short amount of time.

They are building the geth analogue to a Dyson sphere - not an actual one.

True enough, if only for story reasons it's appropriate to have atleast something to do with the sphere in ME3, what's the name of that Russian guys gun?

Perhaps the Geth analogue is alittle more realistic and time-efficient than a real Dyson-Sphere, plus the Geth population and economic strength beyond Organic space is unknown.

Modifié par Matt251287, 25 février 2012 - 09:42 .

[Slashout]

Get fired up wrote...

No. They are building a sphere around a big goddamn star. Legion says they've been building it for approx. 250 years. They are, or should, in no way even be close to finish building a friggin' dyson sphere.

I'm not against the idea of a geth dyson sphere, it's just that it IS impossible to complete such a megastucture in such a short amount of time.

They are geth, we shouldn't judge by our standards their capacity of building.
The number of workers are pratically unlimited, there could be billions or hundreds of billions of them working on it. All they have to do is build more geth, and their number will increase and their efficiency  as well (as the more there are of them, the smarter they get).
They don't sleep, they don't need space suits or safety precautions like ours.

When you add their increased efficiency, the no sleep requirements, the fact that they have one mind and as such will all work in perfect harmony, the fact that they have no need for budgets (no worker to pay, and they'll just mine themselves everything they need) so they work at 100% efficiency all the time, no precautions to take, no stations for air food or safe passages to build.
Their efficiency should be hundreds of time better than any living organisms can do.
250 years? That's probably what humans would have been able to do in 4 or 5 milleniums if not even 10s of milleniums with the same numbers. And there are probably more geth working on the Dyson sphere than there are humans in the mass effect universe.

Modifié par Slashout, 25 février 2012 - 10:34 .

[Goatmon]

Legion didn't really specify how far along they were. Just that they'd been working on it for a very long time. And it's good to remember that, like Slash points out, that Geth do not sleep. They also do not eat, and do not argue or fight amongst themselves in the same manner as most races do.

Keep in mind that they are not physical beings. Legion is just a "Platform" that houses over 1,183 geth AI onboard. He is basically a walking hard drive and not a real representation of what defines their kind. They are purely software, and as their numbers increase they grow smarter and smarter, to the point where they can communicate and settle any disagreements at the speed of light.

You might argue that legion's inability to make a solid decision to destroy the Heretic virus or use it against them, but keep in mind that that was a dispute between 1183 different intelligent minds, each with their own opinion, and they came to a decisive impasse in a matter of minutes. Take that many members of any other species, and it will easily take hours, if not days, to reach the same conclusions.

The point is, that they are ruthlessly efficient in comparison to organic races. So it stands to reason that, depending on its complexity, they could very well be nearly finished with their mega-strucure, or they could be just finishing up the skeletal frame of it, and may not have even begun the real work yet. There's no way to know with only Legion's initial comments to go by, but we can be certain that, assuming their work isn't interrupted by the reapers or some other intervening force, that it will be finished far sooner than any other race could hope to manage.

For what it's worth, finished or not, I really hope we get to see it.

[Random citizen]

Slashout wrote...

Get fired up wrote...

No. They are building a sphere around a big goddamn star. Legion says they've been building it for approx. 250 years. They are, or should, in no way even be close to finish building a friggin' dyson sphere.

I'm not against the idea of a geth dyson sphere, it's just that it IS impossible to complete such a megastucture in such a short amount of time.

They are geth, we shouldn't judge by our standards their capacity of building.
The number of workers are pratically unlimited, there could be billions or hundreds of billions of them working on it. All they have to do is build more geth, and their number will increase and their efficiency  as well (as the more there are of them, the smarter they get).
They don't sleep, they don't need space suits or safety precautions like ours.

When you add their increased efficiency, the no sleep requirements, the fact that they have one mind and as such will all work in perfect harmony, the fact that they have no need for budgets (no worker to pay, and they'll just mine themselves everything they need) so they work at 100% efficiency all the time, no precautions to take, no stations for air food or safe passages to build.
Their efficiency should be hundreds of time better than any living organisms can do.
250 years? That's probably what humans would have been able to do in 4 or 5 milleniums if not even 10s of milleniums with the same numbers. And there are probably more geth working on the Dyson sphere than there are humans in the mass effect universe.

Indeed.

[Iron Star]

True, I didn't think about all of these things. The geth might even be finished (when I think about it, if BW decides to show us the dyson sphere it'll probably be finished exactly when Shepard arrives, only to be assaulted by reapers/cerberus, and it's up to us to stop them. And save, or not save the dyson sphere.).

It will be interesting to see what's really been going on on the other side of the perseus veil the last three hundred years, to say the least...

[Justicar]

I hope the whole Geth/Quarian thing will be solved there

Daro'Xen wanting to brainwash them there, etc

[Iron Star]

A thing I've been thinking about is WHERE the geth are building their dyson sphere? Is it in the same solar system that contains Rannoch aka the quarian homeworld? If so, shouldn't it be impossible for the geth and quarians to make peace, since the dyson sphere will block out the sun for rannoch, killing the planet, if it is completed.

Unless it allows solar energy to pass thorugh the dyson sphere, which isn't likely. Or if rannoch is inside the sphere, but then there must be a gate somewhere on the sphere which allows ships to pass through. Hmm, so many variables...

Modifié par Get fired up, 25 février 2012 - 11:36 .

[Random citizen]

Get fired up wrote...

A thing I've been thinking about is WHERE the geth are building their dyson sphere? Is it in the same solar system that contains Rannoch aka the quarian homeworld? If so, shouldn't it be impossible for the geth and quarians to make peace, since the dyson sphere will block out the sun for rannoch, killing the planet, if it is completed.

Unless it allows solar energy to pass thorugh the dyson sphere, which isn't likely. Or if rannoch is inside the sphere, but then there must be a gate somewhere on the sphere which allows ships to pass through. Hmm, so many variables...

It would most certainly be a non-polulated system (if they build a dyson sphere). If it is a solid construct , It  would require huge amounts of element zero and mass effect fields to make it functional.

Modifié par Random citizen, 26 février 2012 - 04:56 .

[its the beast]

Slashout wrote...

Get fired up wrote...

No. They are building a sphere around a big goddamn star. Legion says they've been building it for approx. 250 years. They are, or should, in no way even be close to finish building a friggin' dyson sphere.

I'm not against the idea of a geth dyson sphere, it's just that it IS impossible to complete such a megastucture in such a short amount of time.

They are geth, we shouldn't judge by our standards their capacity of building.
The number of workers are pratically unlimited, there could be billions or hundreds of billions of them working on it. All they have to do is build more geth, and their number will increase and their efficiency  as well (as the more there are of them, the smarter they get).
They don't sleep, they don't need space suits or safety precautions like ours.

When you add their increased efficiency, the no sleep requirements, the fact that they have one mind and as such will all work in perfect harmony, the fact that they have no need for budgets (no worker to pay, and they'll just mine themselves everything they need) so they work at 100% efficiency all the time, no precautions to take, no stations for air food or safe passages to build.
Their efficiency should be hundreds of time better than any living organisms can do.
250 years? That's probably what humans would have been able to do in 4 or 5 milleniums if not even 10s of milleniums with the same numbers. And there are probably more geth working on the Dyson sphere than there are humans in the mass effect universe.

this! is so true, finally another human who realizes how inefficent we are as a species !

[Prom001]

Sweawm wrote...

Should take may a few thousand years. Dyson Sphere's are mega structures that completely surround stars from at least planetary radius (See Halo: Ghosts Of Onyx/Glasslands. Those books was obsessed with Dyson Sphere's).
Considering we don't know how exactly big the Geth wanted their Sphere, lets just assume it's a perfect habitable grade Dyson Sphere which completely surrounds the sun from an Earth radius. Now, imagine building a damned sphere around the sun from the distance of Earth. THAT IS SUPER MASSIVE and would harness a hundred percent energy from the sun.

Building a Dyson Sphere...heavy risk....but a prize.

well arent there so many problem with it?

[StarcloudSWG]

Yes, there are. A Dyson Sphere requires more mass than exists in the entirety of the galaxy. What the Geth are talking about must therefore be far, far smaller than a Dyson Sphere.

[Slashout]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Yes, there are. A Dyson Sphere requires more mass than exists in the entirety of the galaxy. What the Geth are talking about must therefore be far, far smaller than a Dyson Sphere.

According to "studies" there is an estimated amount of usable mass in JUST our solar system that would be sufficient to build a 10 cm thick Dyson sphere around our sun with a radius of  1 AU (149,597,870.7km), basically the distance between the sun and earth.

So it's feasable, there wouldn't be much left of our solar system though.
But the Geth could just pillage a few solar systems with no habitable planets and mine them to death.
Their goal is obviously to get a thicker Dyson sphere. But something around 3 to 5 meter thick should suffice.  That would requires the mass of a few planets (depending on their mass and theircomposition, as well as the size of the sun they'll built it around). But it wouldn't require a whole galaxy ^^.

Modifié par Slashout, 26 février 2012 - 07:24 .

[Tezlaa]

Maybe they'll have their own personalities? You deduced that from the dyson sphere thing the Geth are building? I dont think so

[Tezlaa]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Yes, there are. A Dyson Sphere requires more mass than exists in the entirety of the galaxy. What the Geth are talking about must therefore be far, far smaller than a Dyson Sphere.

That has got to be one of the most stupid things I've read  A milky way's worth of mass couldn't cover one star?...

[Farbautisonn]

Slashout wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Yes, there are. A Dyson Sphere requires more mass than exists in the entirety of the galaxy. What the Geth are talking about must therefore be far, far smaller than a Dyson Sphere.

According to "studies" there is an estimated amount of usable mass in JUST our solar system that would be sufficient to build a 10 cm thick Dyson sphere around our sun with a radius of  1 AU (149,597,870.7km), basically the distance between the sun and earth.

So it's feasable, there wouldn't be much left of our solar system though.
But the Geth could just pillage a few solar systems with no habitable planets and mine them to death.
Their goal is obviously to get a thicker Dyson sphere. But something around 3 to 5 meter thick should suffice.  That would requires the mass of a few planets (depending on their mass and theircomposition, as well as the size of the sun they'll built it around). But it wouldn't require a whole galaxy ^^.

-Nerd.

Interesting and highly enlightening read... but... NERD! 

[Slashout]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Slashout wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Yes, there are. A Dyson Sphere requires more mass than exists in the entirety of the galaxy. What the Geth are talking about must therefore be far, far smaller than a Dyson Sphere.

According to "studies" there is an estimated amount of usable mass in JUST our solar system that would be sufficient to build a 10 cm thick Dyson sphere around our sun with a radius of  1 AU (149,597,870.7km), basically the distance between the sun and earth.

So it's feasable, there wouldn't be much left of our solar system though.
But the Geth could just pillage a few solar systems with no habitable planets and mine them to death.
Their goal is obviously to get a thicker Dyson sphere. But something around 3 to 5 meter thick should suffice.  That would requires the mass of a few planets (depending on their mass and theircomposition, as well as the size of the sun they'll built it around). But it wouldn't require a whole galaxy ^^.

-Nerd.

Interesting and highly enlightening read... but... NERD! 

Hehe xD. Actually this is stuff I started reading around a year ago... after finishing ME2 .

I got curious about that stuff Legion said since I had never heard of a "Dyson sphere" before that, and I ended up eating up anything I could find on the subject.

Who said games won't teach you anything?

Modifié par Slashout, 26 février 2012 - 07:35 .

[Random citizen]

I see no reason why they would need to built it with a radius of 1 AU, even if they built it around a G-type star.

[Slashout]

Random citizen wrote...

I see no reason why they would need to built it with a radius of 1 AU, even if they built it around a G-type star.

True, this was just the data I had when reading about it.

It's more of a "general idea of what you can do with the ressources in our solar system to build a Dyson sphere with an ideal radius around our sun".

For other Dyson sphere around other suns, it will depend on the size of that particular sun, as well as, if there are other planets orbiting nearby, and the conditions a Geth can substain (even without an atmosphere that would "trap" the heat on the Dyson Sphere, the closer you get to the sun, the hotter it is).

Modifié par Slashout, 26 février 2012 - 07:53 .

[Legendaryred]

You think it was the geth doing the dark matter thing to make the sun die faster so they can harvest it?

[Slashout]

Legendaryred wrote...

You think it was the geth doing the dark matter thing to make the sun die faster so they can harvest it?

That's not a bad hypothesis .
I've got no idea what was going on with that dark matter stuff. But there was definitively matter that was either disapearing/being destroyed/being syphoned from that sun.

No idea how you'd be able to make it happen though... even for the Geth though.

Modifié par Slashout, 26 février 2012 - 08:04 .