The question I have is why did TIM rebuild Shep and why did he want the Collectors destroyed?
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 04:37
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MouseNo4 wrote...
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Correct. But not everyone read the comics.
I, for one, am shocked to have learned this.
Im not. A really large number of players who LOVED Mass Effect 1, 2 and will love 3... would never touch comic books as they tend to have an idea comics are only for children. Just like cartoons. Adults tend to avoid comics simply because they believe they are only designed for children.
Ah, bigger problem with comics is actually their purchase and distribution - I for one can't get them (and many others) since there's no distributor for Dark Horse in my country nor I can order them from electronic retailer, 'cause there will be shipping problems involved - especially with BioWare online store or Origin. But there's Mass Effect Wiki and I knew the thing about his eyes and turian expedition. For Mass Effect novels I had to molest my friend from UK to buy them for me and send 'em - with exception of the last one. For that one, luckily, BSN reacted and I knew not to go throuh the entire hell of getting book and and paying for it much more than it usually costs.
I take it you dont have an ios device either.
Ah iPhone nor iPad would not sort out that problem - comics are meant to be read properly, meaning in my hands, not from some tiny screen
. I could buy digital versions I deem from Dark Horse, but that wouldn't be it tbh. I have really nice collection of comics and I like it in paper edition - that would be like reading Hellboy from screen and it's just meh... I like the sound of turning pages and the special way I fold comics to read them in bed... yeah, I know, Im spoiled dinosaur .
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 04:39
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The question I have is why did TIM rebuild Shep and why did he want the Collectors destroyed?
Well Saren was caught in indoctination trap 'cause he actually wanted to fight against the threat. He thought he can stop it - road to hell is usually paved with best intentions. I would guess that TIM had similar plan, if the indoctrination is scenario for him becoming antagonist again.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 05:12
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TIM will be the reason why we save the galaxy... He will most likey have the last bit of tech Shepard needs to finish the Crucible.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 05:21
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JimiShep wrote...
TIM will be the reason why we save the galaxy... He will most likey have the last bit of tech Shepard needs to finish the Crucible.
if that is the case, him being saviour too counts only if he gives that piece or info willingly - if we have to take it from him by the force - then he isn't - doesn't count as saviour. lol
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 05:49
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man that sucks cuz i would have enjoyed putting my omi-blade up side his head
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 06:41
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MouseNo4 wrote...
izmirtheastarach wrote...
MouseNo4 wrote...
Correct. But not everyone read the comics.
I, for one, am shocked to have learned this.
Im not. A really large number of players who LOVED Mass Effect 1, 2 and will love 3... would never touch comic books as they tend to have an idea comics are only for children. Just like cartoons. Adults tend to avoid comics simply because they believe they are only designed for children.
There might be some of that, but for many it's the idea of having to go outside the medium for background on what's happening in-game and pay for it. It shouldn't happen. The book that preceded Mass Effect was more than fine because it was before the official start of the trilogy. After that, everything relevant to Mass Effect (that isn't another precursor to the first game) should be told throughout the medium the Mass Effect series is based - the games. If you're going to offer more background between stories and they're important to the overall story of the series, then it should be free.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 07:38
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Nimrodell wrote...
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TIM will be the reason why we save the galaxy... He will most likey have the last bit of tech Shepard needs to finish the Crucible.
if that is the case, him being saviour too counts only if he gives that piece or info willingly - if we have to take it from him by the force - then he isn't - doesn't count as saviour. lol
See I don't think he is going to work willingly... Just maybe Shepard can persuade him to give "it" up, like in ME1 we persuaded Saren into ending his own life. In the end we always get the info!
In the end Tim will have always just been working for himself... his plan is to control the Reapers anyways. So he's not a savior or hero at all. Shepard is!
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 07:55
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I'm not going to read this. Is it possibly just concept art?
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 08:43
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****SPOILER TEXT REPRODUCED BELOW****
****SPOILER TEXT REPRODUCED BELOW****
That TIM is already 'partially huskified' isn't a spoiler by any means.
But what was the 'idea' that got scrapped?
This appears to be saying, that although he will not become a 'monster' (turn into a 'random creature') for the final battle, he'll still be the final boss, but will retain his familiar appearance.
And, he'll use some 'intelligent tricks', rather than wham the player with a gigantic reaper arm.
Still spoilerific, I'd say...
****SPOILER TEXT REPRODUCED BELOW****
That TIM is already 'partially huskified' isn't a spoiler by any means.
But what was the 'idea' that got scrapped?
One of the plans on the drawing board was to have the Illusive Man turn into a Reaper creature for the final battle. Eventually, this plan was scrapped, since we wanted to give players the satisfaction offighting a character they know rather than a random creature.
This appears to be saying, that although he will not become a 'monster' (turn into a 'random creature') for the final battle, he'll still be the final boss, but will retain his familiar appearance.
The design implies that the Illusive Man's weapon is his intelligence, not his physical strength.
And, he'll use some 'intelligent tricks', rather than wham the player with a gigantic reaper arm.
Still spoilerific, I'd say...
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 08:47
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TheLostGenius wrote...
I'm not going to read this. Is it possibly just concept art?
They said it's just concept art. Most people are just watchin' the video, and not paying attention what people who have the book from the forums are saying, which that it was concept art for a possible scenario that has since been scrapped. Thing is, people don't want to view the fact that TIM will be anything but a villain for the game. Might be true, might not be; I'm still holding out hope that we might get the chance to work with/for Cerberus again, if that's the view of the SHepard we import.
So, yeah, it's just concept art, fueled by people idiotic enough to not pay attention. (Including the idiot who made the video.)
Slightly off-topic, but did anyone find the voice of the woman doing the video highly-grating? I sure did.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 08:49
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TheLostGenius wrote...
that it was concept art for a possible scenario that has since been scrapped.
The idea that's scrapped is to have him turn into a monster, not the idea, to have him as the final boss.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 08:59
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Lord Anguis, as I pointed out in previous page and as WvStolzing is saying - they didn't say that all things you can see on that book page are scrapped out idea. There is a part on that page that has concept art showing something that doesn't resemble at all TIM and yet there are like two 'belts' of TIM's portraits that show something else that is in accordance with again quoting: One of the plans on the drawing board was to have the Illusive Man turn into a Reaper creature for the final battle. Eventually, this plan was scrapped, since we wanted to give players the satisfaction of fighting a character they know rather than a random creature.
That quote implies something else - not all of it shown on that page is scrapped out, just those concept art models that show something unknown, not recognizable as TIM. I didn't see any post implying what you defined as: So, yeah, it's just concept art, fueled by people idiotic enough to not pay attention. (Including the idiot who made the video.) This book quote was kindly provided by D-roy and it's not excluding all that is seen on that book page. No need for etiquettes of such nature here.
That quote implies something else - not all of it shown on that page is scrapped out, just those concept art models that show something unknown, not recognizable as TIM. I didn't see any post implying what you defined as: So, yeah, it's just concept art, fueled by people idiotic enough to not pay attention. (Including the idiot who made the video.) This book quote was kindly provided by D-roy and it's not excluding all that is seen on that book page. No need for etiquettes of such nature here.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 09:35
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WvStolzing wrote...
I had found that webpage while searching online for an explanation as to why his eyes looked so strange.kleindropper wrote...
I'm not sure about how spoilerific this is since the major item in question is #1 in the "10 things fans must know from the Mass Effect comic and novels"
(Incidentally, I played the Eden Prime mission on ME1 after a long pause today-----and realized for the first time how 'huskified' Saren looks, right from the beginning.)I get your LIM reference; just thought I'd mention, that in the French version, he's called "L'Homme inconnu", and in the German, "Der Unbekannte" ~ 'the unknown man' in both. So it looks like the translators just read 'illusive', as 'elusive'.sangy wrote...
Didn't see that one coming with TIM (a.k.a LIM "Le Illusive Monsieur").
Hello,
Actually, the French version is "l'homme trouble", the blurred man basically.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 09:42
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Actually, the French version is "l'homme trouble", the blurred man basically.
+ Multiple facepalms...Sorry----I must have projected back from the German! I played through ME2 once in French, but twice in German, so...
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 09:48
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Tassigny wrote...
WvStolzing wrote...
I had found that webpage while searching online for an explanation as to why his eyes looked so strange.kleindropper wrote...
I'm not sure about how spoilerific this is since the major item in question is #1 in the "10 things fans must know from the Mass Effect comic and novels"
(Incidentally, I played the Eden Prime mission on ME1 after a long pause today-----and realized for the first time how 'huskified' Saren looks, right from the beginning.)I get your LIM reference; just thought I'd mention, that in the French version, he's called "L'Homme inconnu", and in the German, "Der Unbekannte" ~ 'the unknown man' in both. So it looks like the translators just read 'illusive', as 'elusive'.sangy wrote...
Didn't see that one coming with TIM (a.k.a LIM "Le Illusive Monsieur").
Hello,
Actually, the French version is "l'homme trouble", the blurred man basically.
Aaand that's why i play games in English even if i'm italian.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 09:49
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WvStolzing wrote...
****SPOILER TEXT REPRODUCED BELOW****
****SPOILER TEXT REPRODUCED BELOW****
That TIM is already 'partially huskified' isn't a spoiler by any means.
But what was the 'idea' that got scrapped?One of the plans on the drawing board was to have the Illusive Man turn into a Reaper creature for the final battle. Eventually, this plan was scrapped, since we wanted to give players the satisfaction offighting a character they know rather than a random creature.
This appears to be saying, that although he will not become a 'monster' (turn into a 'random creature') for the final battle, he'll still be the final boss, but will retain his familiar appearance.The design implies that the Illusive Man's weapon is his intelligence, not his physical strength.
And, he'll use some 'intelligent tricks', rather than wham the player with a gigantic reaper arm.
Still spoilerific, I'd say...
Whatever, I don't find it very spoiling, who did you think was the final boss of ME1 when you first played it? Probably Saren, right? And he was. It's not like people think the Illusive Man might change sides. You might be able to convince him to do a little right like you did with Saren, but otherwise, what do you expect? Shepard turns into a giant mech and has a fistfight with a reaper?
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 09:57
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Drumsmasher wrote...
but otherwise, what do you expect?
It was obvious in ME1, that Saren and the 'huge mysterious spaceship' would be the final enemies.
All I'm saying, is that it's by no means self-evident, that TIM would be the FINAL boss. Still, the art-book presents no great revelation, so I don't think this is a 'major spoiler' at all; but it's spoilerific in any case.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 10:04
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I wouldn't claim that TIM is last boss fight. I always pictured somehow that the certain Reaper will be much more trouble. Anyway, the topic's title is changed as is its description, so I hope now that there will be no reason for further misunderstandings.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 10:06
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The final confrontation might be like that of ME1:
Space battle with the Harbinger [cutscenes]
Ground battle with TIM [our work]
(eventually the Harbinger 'assumes direct control' of TIM, and so forth)
Space battle with the Harbinger [cutscenes]
Ground battle with TIM [our work]
(eventually the Harbinger 'assumes direct control' of TIM, and so forth)
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 11:34
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Well, D-roy, for you and some others this isn't a spoiler, but I put the warning sign because it might be spoiler for other users - it's simple decency and respect for others that are reading these forums. These pictures are not common knowledge yet. I apologize if that was misleading too much. To be honest, I didn't have other chance to see the art book, so it was a spoiler for me, major one and even if it weren't the case, I'd still do the same.
You don't understand. D-roy is right, it's not a spoiler, not even to you.
It's not a spoiler because it's not going to be in the actual ME3 game! The idea was scrapped.
So the Illusive Man page is NOT a spoiler for ME3.
Even better then, less predictability
give as info:
"One of the plans on the drawing board was to have the Illusive Man turn into a Reaper creature for the final battle. Eventually, this plan was scrapped, since we wanted to give the players the satisfaction of fighting a character they know rather than a random creature".
I assume they didn't mean that TIM won't be suffering from some form of nasty nanites messing with his mind and body, they just stated they scrapped out those strange cyborg forms that are around TIM's portraits (that's why I bolded that sentence). So, we won't be seeing TIM as those monstrosities around his portraits, but that doesn't exclude the fact that he actually may be suffering from some form of mutation cause by alien tech in him, unless there is more info on it in that book. He would become 'random creature' indeed if they changed him that much, but if he kept his features it would be him in the eyes of players, just changed mentally with side effects on his body. So I guess, we'll see tha moment in the game itself.
You left out the most important part; the part where the artist says that The Illusive Man's most powerful weapon is his intelligence, not his strength.
I think that pretty much rules out the entire idea of having to fight TIM himself as a boss-battle, but we can't say for sure since there is no additional information on this (not even in the leaked script).
I wouldn't be surprised if TIM's body is starting to fall apart in ME3 (like in the piece of art at the bottom of the page in the artbook), but I doubt he'll become a reaper, a husk or anything inbetween.
If I have to guess, when we're going to confront TIM in ME3, we're not going to fight TIM himself. No, we're going to fight his most succesful and most powerful agent instead: Kai Leng.
I expect Kai Leng to be like those Phantoms from the ME3 multiplayer, only much stronger and much harder to defeat.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 11:45
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I suspected at the very beginning of playing ME2 that TIM must have some kind of technology installed in him to keep him alive, and that he needed to stay near that star as a power source. Now, it's clear that the tech is Reaper. He probably thinks that we can utilize Reaper tech to become immortal or something, that it's the next step in the evolution of organic life.
You obviously didn't reat the Mass Effect comics, did you?
TIM never chose to be augmented by reaper tech. I did not install the tech himself nor does he think it makes him immortal.
TIM's body got altered by a Reaper artifact. it was an accident. His best friend, Ben Hislop, touched the Reaper artifact. A spark went from the artifact to Ben Hilsop and from Ben to Jack (TIM's real name). When Jack got sparked by the artifact, he gained those freaky blue eyes. His friend Ben however turned into a husk-like reaper servant, much like Saren (before he became a full husk controlled by Sovereign).
After Jack gained those blue eyes and knowledge about the Reapers, he decided to become The Illusive Man, with the main goal to find out more about these Reapers and to protect humanity against any upcomming threat.
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The question I have is why did TIM rebuild Shep and why did he want the Collectors destroyed?
Well Saren was caught in indoctination trap 'cause he actually wanted to fight against the threat. He thought he can stop it.
This is not true. Yes, Saren tells Shepard that in ME1, but it's a big fat lie.
Saren caught in the indoctrination trap because he was a greedy, power-hungry egomaniacal bastard who entertained the idea of using Sovereign against humanity and to secure turian dominance accross the galaxy.
Saren wanted power. He believed Sovereign could give him that power. So he searched for Sovereign and killed everyone who stood in his way to Sovereign.
Yes, Saren was much like TIM, maybe even worse.
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