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[Irenicusss]

 So, keeping it short, are you folks even using that gun ? Me personally I always look for something new and sometimes combine different class and weapon combos, just for the sake of getting a different feel and keeping myself interested. I've tried alsmost e very combinations I can in the demo. 
Just... this... thing... called Viper... I can't stand it no matter what I try. And thats due to the fact I can't hit anything at all with it and when I do, we all know how bad it's dmg is anyways. Trust me I know snipers I know how to aim I love infiltrator etc. that's not the issue.
The main problem is the huuuuuuuuge zoom the rifle has which works terrible combined with its recoil and the fact that u need more than one shot 90% of the time to down a target. Add all the explosions shaking the screen, you getting shot which also shakes you... and when you zoom...well... I sometimes can't hit a freakin Atlas.
So, thoughts ?
My suggestion is lower it's zoom rate by... alot that should atleast fix the problem to some extend.

[Kilshrek]

Smoother action. Slightly less recoil, slightly higher rof. Problem mostly solved.

[Chriss0978]

I've seen a few people using it, but never used it myself. You'd be able to snipe more effectively using a Phalanx than with a Viper considering what I've read over the forums.

[EsterCloat]

My brother uses the Viper, says he likes it better than the Mantis, but the Phalanx makes a better rapid fire sniper rifle if you ask me. Faster shooting too IIRC.

[PD ORTA]

I unlocked it, used it once and haven't used it since. As others have said a Phalanx with scope makes a better sniper rifle than the Viper.

[darkblade]

I use it because im not on the bolt action bandwagon.

[Irenicusss]

Exactly I will prefer ANY heavy pistol over that "thing". I didn't have problems with the auto sniper in ME2, dunno what's wrong here but it's really really crappy. When I zoom in I need to move my mouse in 2 metre radius in order to track a target and pray for atleast a body shot... and yeah... laugh at the dmg While a simple carnifex with scope is doing wonders.

[Elecbender]

It was awesome in ME2.

Of course when something was awesome in that game Bioware killed it in this game. Maybe they did this to make the Incisor more useful.

[EsterCloat]

How does putting a scope on a handgun make it shoot like a sniper rifle anyway? Just because you put a scope on a gun doesn't make it sniper accurate all of a sudden. If you put a scope on a shotgun it won't make all the pellets hit where the scope reticle points.

This is relevant, by the way.

Modifié par EsterCloat, 25 février 2012 - 04:38 .

[palker]

EsterCloat wrote...

How does putting a scope on a handgun make it shoot like a sniper rifle anyway? Just because you put a scope on a gun doesn't make it sniper accurate all of a sudden. If you put a scope on a shotgun it won't make all the pellets hit where the scope reticle points.

This is relevant, by the way.

Well that is not really true in mass effect because there is no bullet drop and spread on phalanx and carnifex is so low, when you are behind cover, that you can just headshot away anything easily at long range with higher rate of fire making the M-97 worse than a handgun with scope which is kind of silly.

[royard]

Well, that's why the N7 sniper rifle is an upgrade to Viper. And there's black widow which is an upgrade to that.

[PD ORTA]

EsterCloat wrote...

How does putting a scope on a handgun make it shoot like a sniper rifle anyway? Just because you put a scope on a gun doesn't make it sniper accurate all of a sudden. If you put a scope on a shotgun it won't make all the pellets hit where the scope reticle points.

This is relevant, by the way.

Bioware still appear to be amateurs when it comes to weapon balance. IMO pistols should have a big damage drop at long range, so they can't be used as effective sniper rifles.

[Chriss0978]

EsterCloat wrote...

How does putting a scope on a handgun make it shoot like a sniper rifle anyway? Just because you put a scope on a gun doesn't make it sniper accurate all of a sudden. If you put a scope on a shotgun it won't make all the pellets hit where the scope reticle points.

This is relevant, by the way.

The Phalanx does more damage than the Viper considering the higher ROF (I didn't make the calculations, that's just an assumption) and is accurate enough for headshots at long range. That makes it act like a decent Sniper Rifle IMO.


Edit: Fixed a mistake with the Phalanx's damage.

Modifié par Chriss0978, 25 février 2012 - 05:07 .

[royard]

Chriss0978 wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

How does putting a scope on a handgun make it shoot like a sniper rifle anyway? Just because you put a scope on a gun doesn't make it sniper accurate all of a sudden. If you put a scope on a shotgun it won't make all the pellets hit where the scope reticle points.

This is relevant, by the way.

The Phalanx does more damage than the Viper, has a higher ROF and is accurate enough for headshots at long range. That makes it act like a decent Sniper Rifle IMO.

No it doesn't.  Phalanx does half of the damage Viper does.  Carnfiex, on the other hand, is more powerful than Viper (about 20%).

Modifié par royard, 25 février 2012 - 05:02 .

[Hyrist]

Going to wait til release before I start taking about the real differences between Viper and Phalanx. There are advantages to the Viper but they're not worth talking about if they get adjusted in 9 days.

*Edit to the above.

The differences the two of you are seeing are the targets you're hitting.

Modifié par Hyrist, 25 février 2012 - 05:05 .

[Chriss0978]

royard wrote...

Chriss0978 wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

How does putting a scope on a handgun make it shoot like a sniper rifle anyway? Just because you put a scope on a gun doesn't make it sniper accurate all of a sudden. If you put a scope on a shotgun it won't make all the pellets hit where the scope reticle points.

This is relevant, by the way.

The Phalanx does more damage than the Viper, has a higher ROF and is accurate enough for headshots at long range. That makes it act like a decent Sniper Rifle IMO.

No it doesn't.  Phalanx does half of the damage Viper does.  Carnfiex, on the other hand, is more powerful than Viper (about 20%).

You're right, sorry about that. Still, the higher ROF makes the Phalanx more effective, probably has a higher DPS too.

[Thunderfurby]

 If you put a scope on a shotgun it won't make all the pellets hit where the scope reticle points.

Wtb shogun scopes.

[themaxzero]

The problem with the Viper is the rate of fire. It's the same as the Mantis and the Widow.

The Valiant DLC sniper fires 42% faster, hits 72% harder with a far better recoil (Scoped recoil 1 versus 0.137?!!) with the same reload speed.

For all this it has 3 round clip instead of 6.

Great balancing Bioware.

[EsterCloat]

Valiant sniper rifle sounds like the bomb diggity.

[TheMightyG00sh]

Anyone get the feeling that BioWare accidentally programmed the Carnifex and the Viper wrong? It seems they switched their stats :/

[themaxzero]

EsterCloat wrote...

Valiant sniper rifle sounds like the bomb diggity.

When you take into account it's reload speed, clip size and firing speed it outputs more damage then the Widow.

While weighing half the amount and carrying more ammo.

It's annoying that you have to buy the Collectors Ed. or Deluxe Digital to get it though.

Modifié par themaxzero, 25 février 2012 - 05:23 .

[ZzOoRrGg]

The viper is great at taking out lots of troopers or engineers in a short amount of time. (Hint: shoot at the engineer's backpack, then a shot anywhere else will finish them off.)
Otherwise, you'd hear me say "please finish off that low-ass centurion" over voip a lot, and guardians, aside from their shield, are made of wet toilet paper; anything will kill them effectively if you flank them.
Its shortcomings are apparent when you are using it against phantoms and atluses though.

[Elecbender]

themaxzero wrote...


The problem with the Viper is the rate of fire. It's the same as the Mantis and the Widow.

The Valiant DLC sniper fires 42% faster, hits 72% harder with a far better recoil (Scoped recoil 1 versus 0.137?!!) with the same reload speed.

For all this it has 3 round clip instead of 6.

Great balancing Bioware.

If I was Bioware I would make the Valiant even more accurate, but I would make the Viper's RPM 150.  Precision vs "Spammability".

[puldalpha]

The viper plain sucks, it was perfect in ME2 when u could rapidly fire it to compensate for the lower damage, now there's too much time between shots to be useful

[royard]

themaxzero wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Valiant sniper rifle sounds like the bomb diggity.

When you take into account it's reload speed, clip size and firing speed it outputs more damage then the Widow.

While weighing half the amount and carrying more ammo.

It's annoying that you have to buy the Collectors Ed. or Deluxe Digital to get it though.

Well, people paid money to get this stuff, so yeah.  The N7 shotgun and sniper rifle are both okay/good, but the pistol seems to suck (less damage than predator)  .