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[ScroguBlitzen]

I have a friend that absolutely destroys enemies on Silver with the Viper. Every shot is a headshot. Mooks go down in one hit (he took every weapon damage upgrade), other mobs go down in two.

I think it should fire slightly faster, but that's about it. I will be pissed if DLC weapons are imbalanced.

[macroberts]

I've been rolling with the viper X (yeh, dunno how I managed to get that) a lot with my maxed out turian sentinel, and I quite like it. Particularly on the easier levels, you can pretty much chain overload, and headshot at will. A headshot on any enemy without shields except the atlas is usually enough to take them down. And, if you make your shots count (ie 4 or 5 kills out of 6 shots) you're doing more than enough for the squad, holding a flank down on your own whilst the rest of the squad deal with things elsewhere.

I think the gun, whilst less powerful, feels a lot more forgiving than something like a mantis, which kinda forces you to run for ammo every minute or so. At least, mentally for me, I prefer being able to follow up my shot asap if i miss. Definitely if there was less ammo boxes around I'd always pick viper, even though I'm easily racking up 20+ headshots and 75+ kills with only viper + powers.

But, I might go back to the Mantis and give that a go. That's what the demo's for right? To try things out? =)

[themaxzero]

royard wrote...

themaxzero wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Valiant sniper rifle sounds like the bomb diggity.

When you take into account it's reload speed, clip size and firing speed it outputs more damage then the Widow.

While weighing half the amount and carrying more ammo.

It's annoying that you have to buy the Collectors Ed. or Deluxe Digital to get it though.

Well, people paid money to get this stuff, so yeah.  The N7 shotgun and sniper rifle are both okay/good, but the pistol seems to suck (less damage than predator)  . 

Maybe it has some sort of special rule or something because stat wise it blows chunks.

[Irenicusss]

/quote I've been rolling with the viper X (yeh, dunno how I managed to get that) a lot with my maxed out turian sentinel, and I quite like it. Particularly on the easier levels, you can pretty much chain overload, and headshot at will. A headshot on any enemy without shields except the atlas is usually enough to take them down. And, if you make your shots count (ie 4 or 5 kills out of 6 shots) you're doing more than enough for the squad, holding a flank down on your own whilst the rest of the squad deal with things elsewhere. 

I think the gun, whilst less powerful, feels a lot more forgiving than something like a mantis, which kinda forces you to run for ammo every minute or so. At least, mentally for me, I prefer being able to follow up my shot asap if i miss. Definitely if there was less ammo boxes around I'd always pick viper, even though I'm easily racking up 20+ headshots and 75+ kills with only viper + powers. 

But, I might go back to the Mantis and give that a go. That's what the demo's for right? To try things out? =)  /quote

You do realise that You need the whole clip to kill a centurion in Gold, because you wont hit every shot and because the dmg is low and because by the time you stay exposed pumping shot after shot  at anything will get you downed atleast few times. Nemesis, phantoms, you can't even hope to kill those alone with that uber zoom. Srsly, I zoom in, I see their head on my screen and the target moves the slightest and its 2-3 screens away. It is why carnifex with scope is sooooo strong, because it doesnt zoom from here to Mars.

Modifié par Irenicusss, 25 février 2012 - 06:12 .

[Elecbender]

themaxzero wrote...

royard wrote...

themaxzero wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Valiant sniper rifle sounds like the bomb diggity.

When you take into account it's reload speed, clip size and firing speed it outputs more damage then the Widow.

While weighing half the amount and carrying more ammo.

It's annoying that you have to buy the Collectors Ed. or Deluxe Digital to get it though.

Well, people paid money to get this stuff, so yeah.  The N7 shotgun and sniper rifle are both okay/good, but the pistol seems to suck (less damage than predator)  . 

Maybe it has some sort of special rule or something because stat wise it blows chunks.

It has a spare ammo amount of 180.  Good for people that want to only use a pistol and not have to worry about ammo.

I hope its in SP only.  In MP, this niche is gone.

Thank you ammo crates, you ruin yet another weapon.

[Purple Protector]

What? The viper is awesome. I recently discovered that in the hand of an infiltrator the gun seems very "OP". Of course, I play as an infiltrator since ME2. And yeah, you should see me in action with that thing. On Bronze and Silver the Viper is a beast. And even on gold I favor the viper over the widow.
The time a widow user kills something with a single shot, I already have 3 more kills, lol

The viper is sweet. And even in CQC situations it can be your best friend. Of course the gun doesn't have any penetration bonuses like the widow, but who cared. I want to kill an atlas, I will use my rocket launcher

[Sabbatine]

themaxzero wrote...

When you take into account it's reload speed, clip size and firing speed it outputs more damage then the Widow.

While weighing half the amount and carrying more ammo.

Lots of weapons output more effective damage than the Widow, even the mantis.  The widow is a horribly inefficient weapon if you are using it on anything other than Atlas mechs, engineer turrets, or phantoms on silver (it's even worse on bronze) difficulty.

Hypothetically having a gun that does a thousand damage per shot isn't very valuable if your targets only have 500 hp, especially if there is a lighter, faster weapon that does 550 damage per shot.  For half the weight the mantis allows you to carry more ammunition, has the same fire rate and accuracy as the widow, and does slightly less damage.

Really, when deciding whether to use a widow or another weapon there are two questions that need to be asked.

1.  Do I want to use skills other than tactical cloak on a regular basis?
2.  Is the Widow's ability to pierce friends, enemy bodies, and light cover worth the significantly longer cooldowns on abilities?

[themaxzero]

Elecbender wrote...

themaxzero wrote...

royard wrote...

themaxzero wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Valiant sniper rifle sounds like the bomb diggity.

When you take into account it's reload speed, clip size and firing speed it outputs more damage then the Widow.

While weighing half the amount and carrying more ammo.

It's annoying that you have to buy the Collectors Ed. or Deluxe Digital to get it though.

Well, people paid money to get this stuff, so yeah.  The N7 shotgun and sniper rifle are both okay/good, but the pistol seems to suck (less damage than predator)  . 

Maybe it has some sort of special rule or something because stat wise it blows chunks.

It has a spare ammo amount of 180.  Good for people that want to only use a pistol and not have to worry about ammo.

I hope its in SP only.  In MP, this niche is gone.

Thank you ammo crates, you ruin yet another weapon.

Yeah but it hits so softly you have to use more shots. Both the Predator and Phalanx have heaps of ammo, weigh the same or less and have 50% to near 100% more damage output.

[themaxzero]

Sabbatine wrote...

themaxzero wrote...

When you take into account it's reload speed, clip size and firing speed it outputs more damage then the Widow.

While weighing half the amount and carrying more ammo.

Lots of weapons output more effective damage than the Widow, even the mantis.  The widow is a horribly inefficient weapon if you are using it on anything other than Atlas mechs, engineer turrets, or phantoms on silver (it's even worse on bronze) difficulty.

Hypothetically having a gun that does a thousand damage per shot isn't very valuable if your targets only have 500 hp, especially if there is a lighter, faster weapon that does 550 damage per shot.  For half the weight the mantis allows you to carry more ammunition, has the same fire rate and accuracy as the widow, and does slightly less damage.

Really, when deciding whether to use a widow or another weapon there are two questions that need to be asked.

1.  Do I want to use skills other than tactical cloak on a regular basis?
2.  Is the Widow's ability to pierce friends, enemy bodies, and light cover worth the significantly longer cooldowns on abilities?

While you have shorter cooldowns on the Widow you hit FAR harder. Widow has +50% damage plus armour piercing over the Mantis with the same rate of fire and reload time. If the Valiant beats the Widow imagine what it does to the Mantis.

In the time it takes for the Mantis to fire 1 shot (615) and reload the Valiant can fire 3 (3 x 317) and reload yet has identical weight (so same cooldowns).

Modifié par themaxzero, 25 février 2012 - 07:19 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

I use it on my Infiltrator and much prefer it to the Mantis. While I could try the Phalanx again, I use that on enough classes as it is and would lose the sniper bonus. The zoom is fine for me.

[Enyora]

Purple Protector wrote...

What? The viper is awesome. I recently discovered that in the hand of an infiltrator the gun seems very "OP". Of course, I play as an infiltrator since ME2. And yeah, you should see me in action with that thing. On Bronze and Silver the Viper is a beast. And even on gold I favor the viper over the widow.
The time a widow user kills something with a single shot, I already have 3 more kills, lol

The viper is sweet. And even in CQC situations it can be your best friend. Of course the gun doesn't have any penetration bonuses like the widow, but who cared. I want to kill an atlas, I will use my rocket launcher

Absolutely! On bronze and silver I can headshot baddies as fast as I can pull the trigger. The X has a huge ammo capacity and with piles of ammo everywhere it's really a non issue for me. The barrel velocity mods let a double head tap takes down just about anything. The Viper is light and supple and lets me fire off powers as needed. I also have a Mantis V and a Widow, the big advantage for these is body shots. Once you get to gold it's a different game, all the snipers feel underpowered so being able to quickly cycle powers becomes critical. The single use sniper damage mods help a lot in this case.

[Kronner]

Viper sucks IMHO. Carnifex is much better "sniper rifle".

Modifié par Kronner, 25 février 2012 - 07:57 .

[Poison_Berrie]

I quite like. It's more forgiving than the other sniper rifles, it works good at thinning the herd (soldiers and guardians mostly) and on silver at least a headshot is enough to kill most unshielded enemies.
It also works good on Nemesis, since the first headshot will stagger her giving you enough time to follow up.
That's all uncloaked.

Still if you compare it with pistols... le sigh.
That's the problem of pistols being unbalanced, though.

[_symphony]

palker wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

How does putting a scope on a handgun make it shoot like a sniper rifle anyway? Just because you put a scope on a gun doesn't make it sniper accurate all of a sudden. If you put a scope on a shotgun it won't make all the pellets hit where the scope reticle points.

This is relevant, by the way.

Well that is not really true in mass effect because there is no bullet drop and spread on phalanx and carnifex is so low, when you are behind cover, that you can just headshot away anything easily at long range with higher rate of fire making the M-97 worse than a handgun with scope which is kind of silly.

The carnifex has high DPS, low ROF, low ammo, if it weren't for the pistol looking model I would say is a sniper rifle.

[cindercatz]

I use it for multiple characters. IMO, either the rate of fire or the power needs to be increased, it can't be that's it's just slightly faster and half as strong as the next rifle. Also, the weight penalty for snipers needs to be just slightly reduced across the board.

Basically, if I did want to be a one shot, one kill infiltrator, I'd have to give up effective use of cloak for anything other than damage boost, or if I wanted to be a two or three shot killer adept sniper, I'd have to treat my biotics as a means of last resort, limited use option (and I'm considering just that since I want to use the widow etc. somehow, somewhere other than soldier class). Yes, my infiltrators and my adept are all snipers. I'm trying to work an engineer into a sniper as well. I'd love for my "Drell Assassin" vanguard to be a sniper as well, but the cooldown penalty makes it highly impractical for a vanguard, especially with the Drell's lower defense stats. The sniper is the only weapon class I find the weight system to be overly punishing, though they should still be the heaviest thing available, sure.

The zoom is perfect, though. Please don't gimp that.

[AdmiralCheez]

The Viper is my precious baby. Screw anybody that thinks otherwise.

[Cuddlezarro]

I hated that sniper In ME2 so no loss for me lol =3

[SpaceAdmiral]

The problem is that pistols don't have fall-off, and if they follow ME2 weapon ranges they also get a close quarters bonus...

I like the viper, but they could have reduced recoil or improved RoF a bit.

[DiebytheSword]

I use it on occasion, but I really need a higher level for it and a higher level barrel mod. It pales next to the mantis, which pales next to the widow.

[FFLB]

On my sniper, who has maxed sniper and weapon damage, it works just fine. The Widow is a bit overkill with the build I have, so the Viper is a nice medium between damage and speed.