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[DarthLaxian]

And grounded, too? (with all that entails: having his ship taken, his crew sent somewhere (maybe being interrogated etc. after all they have been through on the collector base and the fights before it...*shakes his head at the alliance for that alone), his weapons (you bought a hell of a lot of upgrades etc. that are not exactly alliance standard and therefore should be your own personal stuff) taken, your alien friends being sent away (they sure as hell can't hold and interrogate them without a diplomatic incident (at least where tali and mordin are concerned!))....

I just ask myself: Why? For saving human colonies by working with cerberus?

If yes, then sorry, the alliance can go to hell in my mass effect 3 (i will concentrate an saving the rest of the galaxy, rather then those undeserving FOOLS!)

So what do you think? Do you want to tell them how stupid they are? How right you were?...I know that I want to....Fools

I can only shake my head at this level of stupidity and idiocracy...sorry, but is the alliance formed of incompetence? (with all the competent members leaving for cerberus?)

Even Anderson who tells him that he normally would face a military court and be dismissed from the alliance military all together....with additional punishment to be decided it seems... (as for anderson he foolishly stepped down as humanities chairman on the council, where he could have kept sheppards back...any chance i can have him dead? - sorry, but he pisses me of right about now!)...if he can keep sheppard in the fleet, then he should have been able to help not getting reliefed in the first place (even more: how can the alliance reliefe sheppard, if he got his SPECTRE-Status back in ME2 (which all my sheppards did)?...i thought a SPECTRE can only be "pulled the plug on" if the whole council agrees (and at least 3 members are indepted to my sheppard for saving their lives!) and so IMHO this could/should not be happening....)

so, i am passing the ball to you

greetings LAX

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 25 février 2012 - 06:00 .

[Tassigny]

Hello,

Shepard is basically responsible for throwing an asteroid at a Batarian colony. Not cool.

[izmirtheastarach]

Also working with a terrorist group for months.

[weirdnerd]

oh look some one who hasn't played the arrival dlc

[DarthLaxian]

No i didn't play that one, but i read about it - and it sounds like doing that was NECESSARY - so, they should not judge him....

Working with Terrorists is IMHO ok (not allright, but ok, because of "necessary evil") if you do something that can't be done any other way and it is something that needs doing!

greetings LAX

[Elegana]

DarthLaxian wrote...

No i didn't play that one, but i read about it - and it sounds like doing that was NECESSARY - so, they should not judge him....

Working with Terrorists is IMHO ok (not allright, but ok, because of "necessary evil") if you do something that can't be done any other way and it is something that needs doing!

greetings LAX

Remember: "Ah, yes, 'Reapers'." The council still doesn't believe that Reapers are real. Heck, probably a lot of people think the Reapers were just some scare tactic. 

[Draconis6666]

Doing "whats necessary" doesnt automaticaly excuse throwing an asteroid into a mass relay and basically causing a supernova that not just destroyed the Batarian Colony but destroyed the entire system and everything in it. You get at least temporarily relieved of duty in the real world for doing things much less monumental even if they were for the right reasons overall.

Secondly as far as relieving a Specter, well they cant, your still a Specter, but the council's support of that rank is questionable. Its even stated in ME 2 that its basically just a political move on their part. So your authority as a specter is in question, and your rank as a specter doesnt mean they cant relieve you from duty as an alliance officer, technically they already did when you died so you were relieved from duty for all of ME 2.

[DarthLaxian]

but they still - even if they do not believe in the reapers - owe sheppard their live, then alliances owes him for saving it's colonies and they all together owe sheppard the benefit of the doubt!

they might investigate (that is a given, when you bring Arrival into play), but they also should not "harm" sheppard, his reputation and/or career in any way until there is a conclusion to said investigation that is without any doubt what so ever!

greetings LAX
ps: i still feel treated badly by the alliance (what am I? - their pisspot? their scapegoat? their sacrifice?...sorry, this is not how it's supposed to happen (even more, when people who don't support you (ashley, kaidan) get promoted and sent to the SPECTRES!...that is a slap in the face!)
pps: yeah - relieved, till i showed up in andersons face on the citadel ...then i was brought back onto the SPECTRES (political move or not, the status still stands!)....as for the alliance...well that is up for discussion IMHO Anderson "fixed" that (he didn't oppose you going back to the SPECTRES and he greeted me like an old friend/associate)

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 25 février 2012 - 06:29 .

[MostlyAutumn]

DarthLaxian wrote...

having his ship taken

Normandy was transferred under control of Admiral Anderson, so it's not as bad as it sounds.

[CommanderCoffee]

DarthLaxian wrote...

No i didn't play that one, but i read about it - and it sounds like doing that was NECESSARY - so, they should not judge him....

Working with Terrorists is IMHO ok (not allright, but ok, because of "necessary evil") if you do something that can't be done any other way and it is something that needs doing!

greetings LAX

The Batarians have 305,000 reasons to say otherwise.  Come on, its the Batarians calling for Shep's head. Hackett says in the post-DLC dialogue that the Alliance needs to put him on trial to avoid a war. And Hackett believes the Reapers are coming. So, what's better - Delay a war with the Batarians, a war that would reduce resources available to fight the Reapers, or put Shep on a show trial, avoiding war and keeping numbers preserved for the eventual fight against the Reapers?

[RVallant]

DarthLaxian wrote...
ps: i still feel treated badly by the alliance (what am I? - their pisspot? their scapegoat? their sacrifice?...sorry, this is not how it's supposed to happen (even more, when people who don't support you (ashley, kaidan) get promoted and sent to the SPECTRES!...that is a slap in the face!)
pps: yeah - relieved, till i showed up in andersons face on the citadel ...then i was brought back onto the SPECTRES (political move or not, the status still stands!)....as for the alliance...well that is up for discussion IMHO Anderson "fixed" that (he didn't oppose you going back to the SPECTRES and he greeted me like an old friend/associate)

You're a tool. A political tool.

It's one of the major themes of the series so far. You, Hackett and Anderson are the 'trio' of military, on-the-ground soldiers seeing everything and dealing with it in good faith. Hackett and Anderson have a vested interest in supporting you, they handpicked you for Spectre nomination, they both throw in their lot with you as an Alliance soldier-in-arms.

Contrast that with Udina, the council and Alliance command. They're all politicians, they don't want to rock the boat, they don't like to have 'war' on the agenda. Udina flatly acknowledges this in ME1, you're a tool to promote human interests and once some form of 'action' is taken, you're useless and more trouble that you're worth.

The council does that themselves in ME2, directly to you (by being quite insulting I thought) and to Anderson (if you pick him) as he loses all political credibility without you around. The Alliance is equally as prudish as the Council, it's only Anderson and Hackett even stopping them from 'arresting' Shepard (read: LOTSB Hackett's email for one), and even then they're content to try and keep Anderson quiet.

So yeah, you're their 'pisspot' and 'scapegoat'. That's politics chief! That's the contrast of the grunt vs the 'big picture' politicians.

Just go into the game expecting them to act like politicians and you won't be as surprised when they twist you to their own means (you may, of course, feel they're complete morons, I think we all feel that way regardless.)

[SSHSpartan]

Pretty much everything that Coffee said, everything that Shepard did in Arrival could have started a war that would have weakend both the Alliance and Batarians. With the Reapers coming the Alliance chose the best option to keep the Batarians off their back so they could prepare for what they knew was coming. A war would have just costed resources that would have been needed for the fight in ME3.

Also if war had broken out, and the Reapers were to come to Earth, the Alliance would have had a much harder time trying to ask for help from other races when the invasion started.

[AdrynBliss]

Shepard was relieved of duty for killing 300,000 people. You know it was necessary having read about it (btw freaking awesome just go buy it now) and having played it I know there simply was no other choice.
But come on, 300,000 people dead what did you think people were going to do? there has to be investigations and shep at the very least temp relieved, I'd lose all respect for the alliance if they did nothing at all.

[Nodnol88]

Yeah...slamming an asteroid into a Mass Effect Relay and killing 300,000 Batarians in the result of the explosion, is kind of a big deal. Regardless of whether or not it is justified, or whether you gave then a futile warning, is irrelevant. As Udina would say, a "political ****-storm". And that's an understatement!

Then you have the fact that he was working with/for a group recognized by the Council as terrorists. That's going to have repercussions.

[Poison_Berrie]

Considering that he blew up a star system killing 300,000 aliens humans already were on easy foot with and worked (and was known to work) with an organization that the galaxy at large considers terrorists, I say they've gone pretty mild on him.

In public eyes he's looking pretty bad and the Reaper isn't irrefutable to everyone.

[frylock23]

SSHSpartan wrote...

Pretty much everything that Coffee said, everything that Shepard did in Arrival could have started a war that would have weakend both the Alliance and Batarians. With the Reapers coming the Alliance chose the best option to keep the Batarians off their back so they could prepare for what they knew was coming. A war would have just costed resources that would have been needed for the fight in ME3.

Also if war had broken out, and the Reapers were to come to Earth, the Alliance would have had a much harder time trying to ask for help from other races when the invasion started.

No, they don't really believe that the Reapers are coming. They just want to avoid going to war with the Batarians. Hackett and Anderson do believe you, I think that's why they likely allow the show trial to proceed without fighting it harder. They know that the Reapers are coming and that the Alliance cannot afford to fight a war with the Batarians, so they will work to avoid it at any cost. Of course, if the Reapers weren't coming, you wouldn't have clown up the Alpha Relay in the first place, so it all would have been a moot point.

But this idea that the Alliance as a whole is averting war with the Batarians because they need to prepare for the Reapers is a laugh. The only ones who think that are Andrson and Hackett; the rest are typical politicians who think that Shepard went off the deep end and are just trying to appease the Batarians with a show of a trial. If they had really been trying to prepare, do you think they would have acted so much like they'd been caught with their pants down in the demo?

[DarthLaxian]

they are not really preparing for the reapers anyhow (shepard says in the demo they are ways off of being ready) so why not fight those batarians (who the alliance handed their asses back to in any previous conflict (skyllian blitz and the retaliation mission) and subdue them quickly with the help of the other council nations (hell IMHO the batarians do not seem to have a really big navy, because they would not have ceased the traverse to humanity if they had (they tried being sneaky with the blitz and lost and got attack in return, too) - so i think humanity would win a war against them easily, so why not provoke them into one and then trample them with asari, salarian and mostly (largest navy in mass effect) turian help? - i am sure none of these races like the batarians (those that are in citadel space are almost all criminals!) all that much...and with them out of the way more preparation could be done (even better: one could build/commision more warships etc. in order to attack the batarians....and just not do it and then have those ships already when the reapers come

well i am still against all this political show-boating ...blah - and i am no tool (i will let alliance command bite it, if i have the option of helping them but losing something else then)....as for udina: i will kill him (i hate that self-righteous SOB)

as for the council: i hope there is an "i the **** told you so" moment were i can rub their noses in their own incompetence - i will enjoy this, i really will

greetings LAX
ps: i still want a sheppard promotion (and now that someone said it: this DLC ^^)

[RVallant]

^Because fighting a war against the batarians would be a 'human-only' issue, the council likely wouldn't support them and beside it would be a complete waste of resources, especially in the face of the reaper threat.

Don't forget the 'official' story is they don't exist, by the time Arrival and LOTSB take place (or after the suicide mission anyway) there is some evidence that the Alliance and the Salarians are aware of and preparing (half-assedly) for the Reapers...

[snakeboy86]

Another thing i noticed from the demo, Shepard isn't a specter anymore

[Naltair]

snakeboy86 wrote...

Another thing i noticed from the demo, Shepard isn't a specter anymore

This is probably dependent on choices.  Given that the Shepard in the demo is not one that can be transferred it would make sense to not make him a Spectre.

[Knubbsal]

Shepard kept saying the reapers were coming and nobody believed it. So when Shep pressed this button...

...to stop these 'imaginary reapers', some people got angry.

[Aurora313]

My question is, would Shepard be mostly exonerated (quite possibly posthumously) if and when the Reapers are destroyed? Or would they somehow find a way to peg the entire war on him, and making it his fault that the Reapers attacked?

[Naltair]

Aurora313 wrote...

My question is, would Shepard be mostly exonerated (quite possibly posthumously) if and when the Reapers are destroyed? Or would they somehow find a way to peg the entire war on him, and making it his fault that the Reapers attacked?

Probably depend on how the war actually ends.

[Madmoe77]

Never forget....X57.