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[Combine911]

Right I played ME2 and was disappointed at that you weren't able to join Cerberus and was more upset to see them as the bad guys, I mean they spent like four Billion credits on rebuilding Shep and all he seems to do is shove it in his face.

I would of loved the chance to Join Cerberus and was looking forward with working with them in ME3 (up until now) and I would like to ask why isn't Shep given the chance to join Cerberus as when ever they are spoken about there is allot of PR/PC flying about

[Draconis6666]

The most obvious reason to me is that its unlikely TIM would want him to, even if you set aside plot elements of ME 3 whatever and TIM's now being an enemy etc. Shepard has shown many times that he doesnt follow orders if he doesnt like them. Shepard has a history of doing what he wants regardless of what other people want him to do. That's not the kind of person TIM is likely to want in his organization on a full time basis.

He was willing to work with Shepard and use him to achieve his goals, but even the relationship between a Renegade Pro-Cerberus Shepard and TIM can be seen to be a little strained in cases. TIM wants loyal agents who will do what he tells them to and that he can use to his own aims. He doesn't want high profile charismatic people with proven leadership qualities who have a tendency to disobey orders or serve their own interests above his.

[elferin91]

Combine911 wrote...

Right I played ME2 and was disappointed at that you weren't able to join Cerberus and was more upset to see them as the bad guys, I mean they spent like four Billion credits on rebuilding Shep and all he seems to do is shove it in his face.

I would of loved the chance to Join Cerberus and was looking forward with working with them in ME3 (up until now) and I would like to ask why isn't Shep given the chance to join Cerberus as when ever they are spoken about there is allot of PR/PC flying about

erm did you play ME1?

[jbblue05]

If you talk to Miranda you can express your desire to want to join Cerberus but Bioware only offered dialogue in which Shepard didn't trust TIM

Joining Cerberus is a Renegade path and Bioware has made it perfectly clear the Renegade path is the wrong path

[Draconis6666]

jbblue05 wrote...

If you talk to Miranda you can express your desire to want to join Cerberus but Bioware only offered dialogue in which Shepard didn't trust TIM

Joining Cerberus is a Renegade path and Bioware has made it perfectly clear the Renegade path is the wrong path

As I stated even if you actualy want to join Cerberus its not a given that TIM would what shepard as a full time member. There are many arguable reasons he would not, even if he is a pro-human pro-cerberus renegade shepard.

[Combine911]

It's true if you look at it like that Darconis6666.

I was just looking to Working with Cerberus as to be honest they looks like the dogs nuts.
Oh well I guess I'll have to pertend to be a space ****

[Combine911]

Nvm was a mong and posted twice

Modifié par Combine911, 25 février 2012 - 07:14 .

[AdrynBliss]

Combine911 wrote...

Right I played ME2 and was disappointed at that you weren't able to join Cerberus and was more upset to see them as the bad guys, I mean they spent like four Billion credits on rebuilding Shep and all he seems to do is shove it in his face.

I would of loved the chance to Join Cerberus and was looking forward with working with them in ME3 (up until now) and I would like to ask why isn't Shep given the chance to join Cerberus as when ever they are spoken about there is allot of PR/PC flying about

Read evolution, take note of TIM's eyes and you'll get why working for them is a rather bad idea.

[DeathScepter]

working with them is a good idea.

[Combine911]

DeathScepter wrote...

working with them is a good idea.

That, Every one who plays ME is human yet they hate a pro-human group?

TIM is most likey Augumented thus having blue eyes and I think they get abit more hate than is needed. What they did wasn't so bad as they look out for the humans unless they are like the Enclave from Fallout and well you know.

[jbblue05]

Draconis6666 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

If you talk to Miranda you can express your desire to want to join Cerberus but Bioware only offered dialogue in which Shepard didn't trust TIM

Joining Cerberus is a Renegade path and Bioware has made it perfectly clear the Renegade path is the wrong path

As I stated even if you actualy want to join Cerberus its not a given that TIM would what shepard as a full time member. There are many arguable reasons he would not, even if he is a pro-human pro-cerberus renegade shepard.

He let Jacob in

[Draconis6666]

jbblue05 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

If you talk to Miranda you can express your desire to want to join Cerberus but Bioware only offered dialogue in which Shepard didn't trust TIM

Joining Cerberus is a Renegade path and Bioware has made it perfectly clear the Renegade path is the wrong path

As I stated even if you actualy want to join Cerberus its not a given that TIM would what shepard as a full time member. There are many arguable reasons he would not, even if he is a pro-human pro-cerberus renegade shepard.

He let Jacob in

No one knows who Jacob is  though, there is a difference between having someone who might question your orders and possibly disobey them and having a Galactic Celebrity of sorts that has a tendancy to do the same. Jacob despite his ability to lead the team through the suicide mission branches and not cause someone to die is not a true leader. He's not the type to attract others to his cause, shepard is, and that makes him dangerous if he decides his goals suddenly do not align with TIMs.

[DeathScepter]

Cerberus, by its nature, is black ops and Black OPS can be quite nasty at times. And many people don't like that Nasty for their heroes. Like Black OPS, when they fail Everyone knows about it, when Successful, no one knows about it. So People prefer black and white stories and that is why many people love the Star Wars movies.


Jacob is cool. Because of him and Miranda, Cerberus did save the Citadel from the Batarians. Personally in ME3, I would have played up the Batarians as enemies to rest of the galaxy than Cerberus for many reasons including Leviathan of DIS and they hate everyone else.

Modifié par DeathScepter, 25 février 2012 - 07:46 .

[AdrynBliss]

Combine911 wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

working with them is a good idea.

That, Every one who plays ME is human yet they hate a pro-human group?

TIM is most likey Augumented thus having blue eyes and I think they get abit more hate than is needed. What they did wasn't so bad as they look out for the humans unless they are like the Enclave from Fallout and well you know.

Again..go read evolution. His eyes ain't augments sunshine.

[Legion64]

TIM is bad doodoo.

[jbblue05]

Draconis6666 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

If you talk to Miranda you can express your desire to want to join Cerberus but Bioware only offered dialogue in which Shepard didn't trust TIM

Joining Cerberus is a Renegade path and Bioware has made it perfectly clear the Renegade path is the wrong path

As I stated even if you actualy want to join Cerberus its not a given that TIM would what shepard as a full time member. There are many arguable reasons he would not, even if he is a pro-human pro-cerberus renegade shepard.

He let Jacob in

No one knows who Jacob is  though, there is a difference between having someone who might question your orders and possibly disobey them and having a Galactic Celebrity of sorts that has a tendancy to do the same. Jacob despite his ability to lead the team through the suicide mission branches and not cause someone to die is not a true leader. He's not the type to attract others to his cause, shepard is, and that makes him dangerous if he decides his goals suddenly do not align with TIMs.

Jacob is a corsair and highly respected within the Alliance.  Plus TIM is the one that leaked info the Shepard was working with Cerberus.TIM also  enjoys them company of famous lwomen,  It seems to me TIM will work with Shepard as long as he is willing to play ball.

Modifié par jbblue05, 25 février 2012 - 08:13 .

[PrinceLionheart]

DeathScepter wrote...

Cerberus, by its nature, is black ops and Black OPS can be quite nasty at times. And many people don't like that Nasty for their heroes. Like Black OPS, when they fail Everyone knows about it, when Successful, no one knows about it. So People prefer black and white stories and that is why many people love the Star Wars movies.

Honestly, I doubt so many would even have such a major issue with Cerberus if there was actually a chain of command to hold accountability for their actions. Miranda makes the comparisons to the STG and Asari Commandos, but if they were ever to do anything out of line (ignoring the Genophage, since the Council Races as a whole was behind it), their respective governments would take the blame for it. 

Plus, how many damn cells have to go rogue before people start questioning "Maybe there's something wrong with the groups leadership?"

[GodWood]

PrinceLionheart wrote...
makes the comparisons to the STG and Asari Commandos, but if they were ever to do anything out of line (ignoring the Genophage, since the Council Races as a whole was behind it), their respective governments would take the blame for it. 

Lol, so naive.

[PrinceLionheart]

GodWood wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...
makes the comparisons to the STG and Asari Commandos, but if they were ever to do anything out of line (ignoring the Genophage, since the Council Races as a whole was behind it), their respective governments would take the blame for it. 

Lol, so naive.

I could say the same for all the Cerberus apologist who thought they were going to become bosom buddies with them. 

[Draconis6666]

jbblue05 wrote...

Jacob is a corsair and highly respected within the Alliance.  Plus TIM is the one that leaked info the Shepard was working with Cerberus.TIM also  enjoys them company of famous lwomen,  It seems to me TIM will work with Shepard as long as he is willing to play ball.

The point is that TIM may very well feel that shepard is too big of a risk int he event that he suddenly decides NOT to play ball to want him as a full fledged member. It's much safer for TIM to keep any association with shepard similar to the ME 2 style where he is able to manipulate shepards actions without taking direct risk. The less exposure to the rest of Cerberus Shepard has the less damage he can cause in the event he/she suddenly decides to stop cooperating.

[MisterJB]

PrinceLionheart wrote...
Miranda makes the comparisons to the STG and Asari Commandos, but if they were ever to do anything out of line (ignoring the Genophage, since the Council Races as a whole was behind it), their respective governments would take the blame for it. 

[GodWood]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

GodWood wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...
makes the comparisons to the STG and Asari Commandos, but if they were ever to do anything out of line (ignoring the Genophage, since the Council Races as a whole was behind it), their respective governments would take the blame for it. 

Lol, so naive.

I could say the same for all the Cerberus apologist who thought they were going to become bosom buddies with them. 

I assumed we would remain allied since we share the same goals, methods, and have a common enemy.

I also expected them to be significantly weaker based on EDI's revealed information and the novel ME Retribution that makes it perfectly clear "Cerberus has been significantly weakened".

A logical assumption and definitely more logical then "LOL WE HAET  U NAU AND ARE SOOPER POWFUL AND EVULLZZ LOLOLOL"

But I digress, I assumed something, you (if I read your post correctly) stated something that is simply not true.

From what I gathered you believe the Commandoes, STG etc have government oversight that takes blame if an agent and/or agents does something 'shady/illegal' (like Cerberus). THAT is naive. The whole purpose of these organizations is to do what Cerberus does.

[Draconis6666]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Plus, how many damn cells have to go rogue before people start questioning "Maybe there's something wrong with the groups leadership?"

More importantly to mehow many experiments have to end in catastrophic failure or produce moderately useful results at the cost of the entire project staff and a risk of widespread collateral damage that has to be prevented by shepards timely arrival before you start asking "maybe there are better people to put humanities advancement in the hands of"

My issue with Cerberus has never been with their methods or their goals, but with their outright terrible track record at achieving those goals. They are arguably much more successful outside the games in terms of their actions in the novels, but when trying to make decisions as Shepard i'm forced to look at what shepard knows about Cerberus and what he has seen, and that pretty much seems to be, repeated failures that shepard has to clean up, with a few admitedly huge successess such as project lazarus in between. To me its not a matter of thinking "wow these people are evil blah blah blah" its a matter of "there has got to be someone more capable I can find to help me get the job done than these incompetents"

[Dave of Canada]

You can't join with The Illusive Man because that'd require the player to deviate from Cerberus being evil antagonists which you have to shoot. Approximately 40-50% of ME3's characters mentions how evil Cerberus is, how you were an idiot in every working with them and if you kept the Base that you were an absolute moron and you should've blown it up.

The writers aren't looking for options, they're looking to shove their "morals" down our throat.

@About TIM's eyes: Shepard has the same eyes, they're just red instead. OH NO SHEP IS EVEUHL.

[Draconis6666]

GodWood wrote...

From what I gathered you believe the Commandoes, STG etc have government oversight that takes blame if an agent and/or agents does something 'shady/illegal' (like Cerberus). THAT is naive. The whole purpose of these organizations is to do what Cerberus does.

They do have oversight though the STG are subject to the council just like specters are, Cerberus too has oversight of a different sort, in that TIM's investors must believe that he is living up to his end of the deal or they will stop funding him. Its a completely different kind of oversight but it still exists.

Cerberus has the advantage in that its oversight doesnt care if it commits attrocities if it gets the job done. The STG's oversight also cares mostly about results but has to be much more careful to step around the political ramifications of the STG's actions if they are uncovered. Cerberus doesnt have to attempt to hide its involvement in black ops projects the STG does, this does in fact in some ways limit the STG in ways that Cerberus is not.

You are correct they are definatly just legal versions of ceberus, but in being so they are also limited by those laws, Cerberus does not have that problem.