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[xxBUCK_NUTSxx]

 I have a hard time believing the Batarians would ever help humans, especially after what Shep did in arrival. They could help the cause though. Thoughts on that?

[RVallant]

There will be an option to if the assets list is anything to go by.

[DXLelouch15]

well its either help us or be vaporized by Reapers now what would you choose

[izmirtheastarach]

Yeah, apparently you can even convince Balak to work with you, assuming he is not dead.

[Mr.House]

Let's see...

Fiona has killed Balak and every batarian on the astroid, was rude to everyone she met in ME2, let that one sick one died, killed those batarians holding the doc and blew up a Batarian system.

Ya.....I doubt she wants those scum helpnig and I doubt they would help her.

[Unato]

the galaxy is about to get wiped out and you're not joining the only person who seems to be doing something major to stop said event? seems like you're asking for your own race extinction

[f1ndmenow]

Shepard persuasion to the batarians on the arrvial incident, "It was the crazy old b**ch's fault! she never played dead space to avoid cult indoctrination markers! ":crying:

Modifié par f1ndmenow, 26 février 2012 - 05:45 .

[Juniper Mucius]

I actually think it would be cool if you could ally with the batarians, and work out a peace agreement, bringing them back to the Citadel with a "good" ending. In fact, I hope there's an option to put every race that assists you in the war on the Council.

[Mhorhe83]

The Free Jaffa wrote...
In fact, I hope there's an option to put every race that assists you in the war on the Council.

No way the Council would accept something like that. Most races that aren't on the Council aren't all that strong individually, so it's not like they can really play the "let us join or we won't help, nya-nya-nya-nya, nya-nya-nya-nya". Considering their own survival is at stake.

[Randy1012]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

I actually think it would be cool if you could ally with the batarians, and work out a peace agreement, bringing them back to the Citadel with a "good" ending. In fact, I hope there's an option to put every race that assists you in the war on the Council.

I'd like to see the Council become something more like a representative parliamentary body than a three/four-person committee that dictates to the various governments.

[incinerator950]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yeah, apparently you can even convince Balak to work with you, assuming he is not dead.

Granted if you fail, he'll attempt to kill you again. 

[thordreen]

I doubt very many Batarians are still alive given the number of Cannibals seen so far in the demo. My guess is that part of space has been heavily indoctrination. Shepard's actions in the arrival will looking humane compared to what happen the reset of Batarian space.

[J-Reyno]

Honestly, I'd like nothing more than to leave them out of the war effort entirely, find out that they were helpless against the reapers and were wiped out.

Luckily MP will make it so that I don't need to be concerned about a tragic outcome no matter what my decisions are. Infinite assets will rock my world.

[Mhorhe83]

Randy1083 wrote...
]I'd like to see the Council become something more like a representative parliamentary body than a three/four-person committee that dictates to the various governments.

Which is why it's highly unlikely. The Council is beyond tyrannical at times - the extermination of the Rachni, the genophage, leaving the Quarians to slowly die in space because the Council won't spare ONE colony world etc.

The Council is not going to relinquish control.

As for the Batarians.. I'm fairly certain Bio has some gruesome end in store for them. So far there hasn't been one Batarian character you can warm up to even a little bit, and plenty of reasons to dislike them.

[mybudgee]

They will be very integral to the " Bait the enemy" mission

[Juniper Mucius]

Mhorhe83 wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...
]I'd like to see the Council become something more like a representative parliamentary body than a three/four-person committee that dictates to the various governments.

Which is why it's highly unlikely. The Council is beyond tyrannical at times - the extermination of the Rachni, the genophage, leaving the Quarians to slowly die in space because the Council won't spare ONE colony world etc.

The Council is not going to relinquish control.

As for the Batarians.. I'm fairly certain Bio has some gruesome end in store for them. So far there hasn't been one Batarian character you can warm up to even a little bit, and plenty of reasons to dislike them.

The Council might not be okay with relinquishing control, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.  My thoughts on something like that happening is that Shepard makes it happen.  She rallies the other species around her, points out the flaws that come out of the Council, and overthrow it with something new.  A new galactic government spawning out of a galactic-invasion is perfect for a new government to form.  If you get the volus to aid you, as well as the hanar and elcor, and they aren't allowed on the Council after that?  Well, I know my Shepard is going to have to bash some heads together until she gets results.

[Mhorhe83]

The Free Jaffa wrote...
The Council might not be okay with relinquishing control, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.  My thoughts on something like that happening is that Shepard makes it happen.  She rallies the other species around her, points out the flaws that come out of the Council, and overthrow it with something new.  A new galactic government spawning out of a galactic-invasion is perfect for a new government to form.  If you get the volus to aid you, as well as the hanar and elcor, and they aren't allowed on the Council after that?  Well, I know my Shepard is going to have to bash some heads together until she gets results.

A revolution in the middle of a merciless war is a bad, bad idea.

The October Revolution was disastrous for Russia's WW I effort and resulted in a sue for peace with devastating terms for Russia.

With the Reapers, it's all the worse.. no suing for peace.

After the war, sure, maybe. During it? Madness.

[Juniper Mucius]

Mhorhe83 wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...
The Council might not be okay with relinquishing control, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.  My thoughts on something like that happening is that Shepard makes it happen.  She rallies the other species around her, points out the flaws that come out of the Council, and overthrow it with something new.  A new galactic government spawning out of a galactic-invasion is perfect for a new government to form.  If you get the volus to aid you, as well as the hanar and elcor, and they aren't allowed on the Council after that?  Well, I know my Shepard is going to have to bash some heads together until she gets results.

A revolution in the middle of a merciless war is a bad, bad idea.

The October Revolution was disastrous for Russia's WW I effort and resulted in a sue for peace with devastating terms for Russia.

With the Reapers, it's all the worse.. no suing for peace.

After the war, sure, maybe. During it? Madness.

I meant after.  Everyone is going to be devastated, and will need to work together more than ever to rebuild.  Also, humans are now a Council species.  The same human that saved the Citadel (and possibly the Council itself) now does the impossible, gathering many different species together (at best, krogan, batarians, asari, turians, salarians, quarians, geth, rachni, hanar (and with them drell), elcor, and volus), united against the same species that wiped out the protheans 50,000 years prior.  After the Reaper threat is thoroughly or sufficiently suppressed, I'd be surprised if BioWare didn't allow for a political (non-violent) revolution in the wake of something akin to a Reconstruction.  

[death2sarge]

Not all Batarians are bad majority we have seen were terrorists. Would like a Batarian Squadmate they may do this as dlc or perhaps as a multiplayer character.

[Juniper Mucius]

death2sarge wrote...

Not all Batarians are bad majority we have seen were terrorists. Would like a Batarian Squadmate they may do this as dlc or perhaps as a multiplayer character.

If they make another squadmate DLC and it's not a krogan, I will flip my [expletive-deleted]!

[LordAnguis]

I hate Batarians. I'm gonna let them die regardless of the playthrough I'm doing. The whiny four-eyed morons deserve every bit of misery.

[thepaladin1]

Mhorhe83 wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...
]I'd like to see the Council become something more like a representative parliamentary body than a three/four-person committee that dictates to the various governments.

Which is why it's highly unlikely. The Council is beyond tyrannical at times - the extermination of the Rachni, the genophage, leaving the Quarians to slowly die in space because the Council won't spare ONE colony world etc.

The Council is not going to relinquish control.

As for the Batarians.. I'm fairly certain Bio has some gruesome end in store for them. So far there hasn't been one Batarian character you can warm up to even a little bit, and plenty of reasons to dislike them.

I just think the alliance will absorb them.

[Mhorhe83]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

I meant after.  Everyone is going to be devastated, and will need to work together more than ever to rebuild.  Also, humans are now a Council species.  The same human that saved the Citadel (and possibly the Council itself) now does the impossible, gathering many different species together (at best, krogan, batarians, asari, turians, salarians, quarians, geth, rachni, hanar (and with them drell), elcor, and volus), united against the same species that wiped out the protheans 50,000 years prior.  After the Reaper threat is thoroughly or sufficiently suppressed, I'd be surprised if BioWare didn't allow for a political (non-violent) revolution in the wake of something akin to a Reconstruction.

The problem with such a solution is the absolute antagonism some of the races you listed have for each other. Remember how much of an annoyance the Turian member is, and all the grief they got against the Alliance is some sore martial pride.

What you listed there is.. completely unrealistical. Batarians working with humans? KROGANS, forgiving Salarians and the mutual dislike they have with the Turians? Rachni, who everyone is scared witless of and who were basically exterminated by the same races they work with? GETH, when the Council doesn't even allow AIs?

Historically, people with differences set them aside and united against a common enemy.. and then promptly went back to their ways when that said enemy was gone. Shepard can build a grand alliance against the Reaper threat, but keeping it together afterwards?.. doubtful.

Furthermore, the races now on the Council have their differences, but their mindsets aren't that different. Whilst there you'd have a Hive race, and the Geth collective.. Way, way too different to work together. I don't even think the Geth would be interested, neither.

I say that it's beyond a pipe dream. And even you somehow managed to make it stick, with duct tape and hope, it will be a terribly fragile structure prone to suddenly and violently falling apart.

Modifié par Mhorhe83, 26 février 2012 - 04:55 .

[Juniper Mucius]

I can see where listing all the species caused confusion. When it comes to the rachni, I don't they would even wasn't to be a Citadel species. Krogan will probably create their own empire. If there is peace between the quarian and geth, then I see them rebuilding the homeworld together, ignoring the Citadel.

If the batarians actually help, I could easily see them at least seeing humanity's worth and rejoining the Citadel. But there's nothing impossible about the hanar/drell, elcor, and volus being allowed greater or equal representation after the Reaper devastation.

[TheLostGenius]

 Well in the beginning of the demo they appear to be Indoctrinated monsters.