Beyond a certain height (not sure what that threshold is), skyboxes exhibit a gap in the corners. Does anyone know of a way to adapt or create a skybox that closes up this gap?
Here's what is seen in-game by a player:
Skybox Corner Gap
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 08:37
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We have a number of areas in our mod where the player can end up pretty high (on the area's z-axis) - either by being on the top of a tall tower or climbing a towering mountain.
Beyond a certain height (not sure what that threshold is), skyboxes exhibit a gap in the corners. Does anyone know of a way to adapt or create a skybox that closes up this gap?
Here's what is seen in-game by a player:
Beyond a certain height (not sure what that threshold is), skyboxes exhibit a gap in the corners. Does anyone know of a way to adapt or create a skybox that closes up this gap?
Here's what is seen in-game by a player:
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 06:04
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I'd also be interested in knowing the answer to this. And what tileset is that?
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 07:12
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That's the Rocky Mountains set:
http://nwvault.ign.c....Detail&id=7749
I think about everyone and their cousin have worked on this over the years. The version we use is also pretty heavily modified.
http://nwvault.ign.c....Detail&id=7749
I think about everyone and their cousin have worked on this over the years. The version we use is also pretty heavily modified.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 07:18
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You might want to look over this thread for some more information on the issue. From skimming it I wasn't sure there was ever a resolution so you might want to PM Andarian.
I am just guessing but I think it looks like a rendering issue to me. IIRC, NWN does fog with two separate vertex programs- little programs that run directly on your video card. The first one draws the fog itself and the second one appropriately fogs objects which intersect with the fog. Because of the distance it could be that the values are falling outside of what the engine can/will calculate and so it punts, leaving a hole like that.
For anyone reading who would like to understand more how NWN does things graphically under the hood, the ShaderEdit plugin for GLIntercept is a good start. You can change the shaders NWN uses on the fly and snoop how a NWN effect actually translates into OpenGL calls.
I am just guessing but I think it looks like a rendering issue to me. IIRC, NWN does fog with two separate vertex programs- little programs that run directly on your video card. The first one draws the fog itself and the second one appropriately fogs objects which intersect with the fog. Because of the distance it could be that the values are falling outside of what the engine can/will calculate and so it punts, leaving a hole like that.
For anyone reading who would like to understand more how NWN does things graphically under the hood, the ShaderEdit plugin for GLIntercept is a good start. You can change the shaders NWN uses on the fly and snoop how a NWN effect actually translates into OpenGL calls.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 07:30
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I think the thread OTR posted makes my attempt unlikely to work, but can you try this and tell me if it addresses this issue? I'd really recommend NOT putting these in haks or updates (so just throw them in the Override, if possible) because they're not UVMapped correctly - I don't have that tileset to verify if this fixes it to test it myself.
http://dl.dropbox.co...530379/DSky.zip
Nevermind!
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 08:18
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Thanks OTR - that's exactly what I needed to read. Before I posted, I searched these forums for *skybox* and the search returned 3 hits - but not that thread. In general, I seem to get very few returns on any searches I do on these forums. Maybe I better figure out what I am doing wrong with the search engine before posting again.
Sorry for asking something that's already been discussed pretty thoroughly, I should have been able to find that info myself.
Thanks again.
Sorry for asking something that's already been discussed pretty thoroughly, I should have been able to find that info myself.
Thanks again.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 08:29
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The google search "site:social.bioware.com skybox hole" turns up 361 results with that one on top. Just "site:social.bioware.com skybox" turned up 10,000+
How do you search?
As far as asking something already discussed, if you hadn't I would probably not have found this discussion myself :-) When something's been fallow for a while, sometimes it helps to give it a good bump =)
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The google search "site:social.bioware.com skybox hole" turns up 361 results with that one on top. Just "site:social.bioware.com skybox" turned up 10,000+
How do you search?
As far as asking something already discussed, if you hadn't I would probably not have found this discussion myself :-) When something's been fallow for a while, sometimes it helps to give it a good bump =)
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 08:41
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After reading that thread (a good one, OTR :-), I'm inclined to think the "hole" is interference with geometry reserved for edge tiles.
As the problem is fixed by scaling the skybox a bit larger (Six's solution), it's obviously interference with *something*.
As that something is *beyond* the laid tiles of the area, I'm thinking it must have something to do with the edge-tile rendering system.
If so, then the problem might disappear or reappear depending on the edge-tiles for a given tileset, making it that much harder to diagnose.
The good news, of course, is that there is a fix :-)
Edit: Is anyone active on the CSP?
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After reading that thread (a good one, OTR :-), I'm inclined to think the "hole" is interference with geometry reserved for edge tiles.
As the problem is fixed by scaling the skybox a bit larger (Six's solution), it's obviously interference with *something*.
As that something is *beyond* the laid tiles of the area, I'm thinking it must have something to do with the edge-tile rendering system.
If so, then the problem might disappear or reappear depending on the edge-tiles for a given tileset, making it that much harder to diagnose.
The good news, of course, is that there is a fix :-)
Edit: Is anyone active on the CSP?
<...into view>
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 08:55
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@Chrysoli - No need to be sorry, the search function on this website is mostly useless. The method Rolo suggested, using Google, is the way to go IMO. It was also my preferred method on the old site, too. Besides, if people stop asking questions the forum turns into a mausoleum and that would be awful.
@Rolo - Interesting idea about the edge tiles. Did you check out the video Andarian had posted? I found it easier to view by saving it then viewing it, FWIW.
@Rolo - Interesting idea about the edge tiles. Did you check out the video Andarian had posted? I found it easier to view by saving it then viewing it, FWIW.
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 09:27
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No, actually. 1) I was doing some intense Gimping and had no memory to spare for just about anything but watching the board. And 2) my version of VLC won't play it. Get some interleaved garbage on the screen. Didn't think there was anything VLC wouldn't play...
D/ling WMP now to try that.
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No, actually. 1) I was doing some intense Gimping and had no memory to spare for just about anything but watching the board. And 2) my version of VLC won't play it. Get some interleaved garbage on the screen. Didn't think there was anything VLC wouldn't play...
D/ling WMP now to try that.
<...gigs, cuz he's not busy enough>
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 09:45
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Interesting. The invisible corner poking through the skybox is obviously far beyond the edge tiles, yet, it *is*, to my eye, lined up with that corner. So I stand by my opinion. I think it is *something* to do with the edge-tile rendering.
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Interesting. The invisible corner poking through the skybox is obviously far beyond the edge tiles, yet, it *is*, to my eye, lined up with that corner. So I stand by my opinion. I think it is *something* to do with the edge-tile rendering.
<...to get all the crumbs out>
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Posté 26 février 2012 - 10:24
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Don't edge tiles render outwards from each side, generally duplicating the existing tile ad nauseum? It would stand to reason if they do just use that method there'd be holes along the diagonals from certain distances, as that filled area would have to be calculated in some manner.
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Posté 27 février 2012 - 05:48
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If anyone would be kind enough to do some skybox fixes it would be immensely useful. Many of the skyboxes that feature a space scene and galaxy scene or other styles you'd use with the player suspended in the air have this problem and it really hurts the game immersion.
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Posté 27 février 2012 - 10:01
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Jenna, what worked for me was I took the TROD skyboxes into gmax and scaled then to 115%. That fixed my problem - no more corner holes. Is this something you can try with the skyboxes that are showing this problem for you?
If you need the bigger TROD skyboxes, I'd be happy to zip them up and upload them for you.
If you need the bigger TROD skyboxes, I'd be happy to zip them up and upload them for you.
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Posté 28 février 2012 - 07:21
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But how can we go about fixing our skyboxes without using Gmax? Is it a simple text edit?
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Posté 28 février 2012 - 09:18
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Oh yes please. I haven't had time to learn gmax yet.
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Posté 28 février 2012 - 11:09
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www.nwnlysithea.org/TROD_skys_enlarged.zip
Here's the enlarged skys, with two different hak options. There is a readme file for each hak, explaining the difference between the two.
To summarize the readme files, one hak has just the enlarged model files, the other has the models, the textures and the skybox.2da (and a demo mod). I'll post a note I thought of, after I had these put into the haks. This info is in the readme also.
NOTE:
The original TROD sky boxes had the following setting in all model nodes:
ambient 0 0 0
diffuse 1 1 1
specular 0.8 0.8 0.8
I had originally believed these were an error, and had changed them to:
ambient 1 1 1
diffuse 1 1 1
specular 0 0 0
So ... these TROD sky boxes may be richer, and more intense/brighter then what you are used to. If you need the sky boxes darker, you can use a text editor and change the lines in the model files back to the author's original text. - or I can get you a set of the darker versions if you need. Take a look at these though - they are really nice and with the true colors coming out, there's actually a nice difference between the 4 different sky sets.
I hope this helps you with your problem. It did fix the corner holes for me
Here's the enlarged skys, with two different hak options. There is a readme file for each hak, explaining the difference between the two.
To summarize the readme files, one hak has just the enlarged model files, the other has the models, the textures and the skybox.2da (and a demo mod). I'll post a note I thought of, after I had these put into the haks. This info is in the readme also.
NOTE:
The original TROD sky boxes had the following setting in all model nodes:
ambient 0 0 0
diffuse 1 1 1
specular 0.8 0.8 0.8
I had originally believed these were an error, and had changed them to:
ambient 1 1 1
diffuse 1 1 1
specular 0 0 0
So ... these TROD sky boxes may be richer, and more intense/brighter then what you are used to. If you need the sky boxes darker, you can use a text editor and change the lines in the model files back to the author's original text. - or I can get you a set of the darker versions if you need. Take a look at these though - they are really nice and with the true colors coming out, there's actually a nice difference between the 4 different sky sets.
I hope this helps you with your problem. It did fix the corner holes for me
Modifié par Chrysoli, 28 février 2012 - 11:10 .
