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[tehBobby]

 Hey guys, this is totally going to be my first post ever on BSN, I've been a lurker for a while and I've finally decided to contribute to these forums, if only just a little.

Now that I've cleared it up, I honestly have no idea if this has been posted before and spamming is not my intention at all, so excuse me if most of you have seen what I'm about to write already.

With ME3's co-op mode well underway, I've been having a blast playing Infiltrator. It just feels right for me and I've spent quite some time polishing my gameplay. So, I've noticed that you can do some really fancy things with Cloak, and I'm not talking about ninja reviving or things of the sort. I like to call it "smart cloaking". Basically what I mean by that is that you can benefit from Cloak's short cooldown when you combine it with other abilities in your Infiltrator arsenal. Example: Cloak => Shoot => Energy Drain ( Salarian). "That's awesome Bobby, but I don't really see what's new about it". Well, if you actually do that fast enough, it so happens that you get a cloak damage boost + an Energy Drain in one cooldown, not to mention that the game takes into account not Energy Drain's cooldown, but Cloak's, which is a bit lower (+ I'm pretty sure you get a dmg/power boost to both your weapon shot and the power you use). This really comes in handy and makes a huge difference when spamming Proxi Mines, because the cooldown becomes considerably lower AND you get to bypass the GCD system. I'm well aware that most of my fellow Infiltrators are already acquainted with this rotation, but as long as there is at least one guy who learned something while reading this huge wall of text, it was worth it.

Also, I know that most of you have probably gone for the extra power while cloaked evolution, so this tactic becomes pretty obsolete in your case, but I'm pretty sure there are some people (including myself) that have gone for the extra sniper damage, and smart cloaking can really help you gain the upper hand against them nasty shieldy enemies. If you do it fast enough, it almost feels like you've gone for both evolutions. 

The reason I wanted to write this is that recently there has been a load of Infiltrator (and any other class for that matter) videos uploaded on YouTube, and in most of them I've noticed that people use cloak only, and by doing that deprive themselves of an extra power usage. I hope this post helps new Infiltrators out and fuels their will to turn Cerberus heads into goo even more! Thanks for reading. 

Modifié par tehBobby, 25 février 2012 - 11:40 .

[Dr. rotinaj]

I'm on the same boat as you. I took the extra sniper rifle damage evolution on my Salarian. Cloak + Energy Drain = win. Though right now I'm testing out the Krogan soldier.

[tehBobby]

It's win indeed! Nothing more satisfying than draining the shields of a Centurion/Nemesis and then blowing their heads off while they're doing the robot dance. Smashing things around as a Krogan is a close second, though.

[Daft Quaver]

I went for the damage with the human infiltrator as well, feeling cryo blast wasn't worth a perk of cloak. Good ideas but everything just dies when i shoot it haha.
grenades are epic, too.

[CitizenSnips]

I've actually been doing this a lot. Also works with Cryo Blast (and I assume Sticky Grenade). Take down shields with a cloaked shot and immediately freezes the target. Easy pickings for either you or your team. Gotta say I absolutely love the Infiltrator but this might be fixed as I'm sure it's not intended.

Modifié par mushoops86anjyl, 25 février 2012 - 11:52 .

[tehBobby]

 @
Daft Quaver

Aye, you can definitely go both ways as Human, and it's all about your playstyle. I actually prefer Human over Salarian on Bronze because of the weak enemy shields, Cryo/Stickies are way better than Drain/Proxi Mines against those. Recently I've been playing a lot of Silver/Gold, though, and boy do I love my Energy Drain. In any case, you can't really one-shot a protected enemy on those difficulties, and that's when my idea comes in handy!

[tehBobby]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

I've actually been doing this a lot. Also works with Cryo Blast (and I assume Sticky Grenade). Take down shields with a cloaked shot and immediately freezes the target. Easy pickings for either you or your team. Gotta say I absolutely love the Infiltrator but this might be fixed as I'm sure it's not intended.

I'm not sure about that, ME2 had it pretty straightforward with all powers disabled while cloaked, but now you can actually use them intentionally. I doubt THAT was what BioWare had in mind, but I don't really see how it's a glitch/exploit.

[Daft Quaver]

tehBobby wrote...

 @
Daft Quaver

Aye, you can definitely go both ways as Human, and it's all about your playstyle. I actually prefer Human over Salarian on Bronze because of the weak enemy shields, Cryo/Stickies are way better than Drain/Proxi Mines against those. Recently I've been playing a lot of Silver/Gold, though, and boy do I love my Energy Drain. In any case, you can't really one-shot a protected enemy on those difficulties, and that's when my idea comes in handy!

Can't argue with that! I'm currently levelling on bronze and praying for the widow before I even attempt gold again. bloody difficult! I thought i was good as well haha

[tehBobby]

Daft Quaver wrote...

Can't argue with that! I'm currently levelling on bronze and praying for the widow before I even attempt gold again. bloody difficult! I thought i was good as well haha

Argh, tell me about it. I've opened around 40 Veteran Packs and Widow is nowhere to be seen. I have almost every shotgun maxed out, though. (No joke though, Shotguns go really well with Infiltrators, I tried it once for the fun of it and it worked out bloody well, lol)

[Daft Quaver]

tehBobby wrote...

Argh, tell me about it. I've opened around 40 Veteran Packs and Widow is nowhere to be seen. I have almost every shotgun maxed out, though. (No joke though, Shotguns go really well with Infiltrators, I tried it once for the fun of it and it worked out bloody well, lol)

I just keep getting the viper which doesn't do enough damage  I want to try that out but i still only have the katana and the scimitar. neither of which I'm a fan of haha

[CitizenSnips]

tehBobby wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

I've actually been doing this a lot. Also works with Cryo Blast (and I assume Sticky Grenade). Take down shields with a cloaked shot and immediately freezes the target. Easy pickings for either you or your team. Gotta say I absolutely love the Infiltrator but this might be fixed as I'm sure it's not intended.

I'm not sure about that, ME2 had it pretty straightforward with all powers disabled while cloaked, but now you can actually use them intentionally. I doubt THAT was what BioWare had in mind, but I don't really see how it's a glitch/exploit.

The power cooldown for the Infiltrator's cloak begins after the cloaked shot is taken. And since you can take that much more powerful shot and ALSO use another power virtually simultaneously, you are essentially using two powers at once. It's not that you can use a power while cloaked, it's that you can use the shot power up AND a power at the same time.

[tehBobby]

Daft Quaver wrote...

I just keep getting the viper which doesn't do enough damage  I want to try that out but i still only have the katana and the scimitar. neither of which I'm a fan of haha

The Viper is just meh, I keep getting it too. >_> And the Scimitar is actually beast with Cloak up, can lead to some nasty up close and personal action. ^^

[tehBobby]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

tehBobby wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

I've actually been doing this a lot. Also works with Cryo Blast (and I assume Sticky Grenade). Take down shields with a cloaked shot and immediately freezes the target. Easy pickings for either you or your team. Gotta say I absolutely love the Infiltrator but this might be fixed as I'm sure it's not intended.

I'm not sure about that, ME2 had it pretty straightforward with all powers disabled while cloaked, but now you can actually use them intentionally. I doubt THAT was what BioWare had in mind, but I don't really see how it's a glitch/exploit.

The power cooldown for the Infiltrator's cloak begins after the cloaked shot is taken. And since you can take that much more powerful shot and ALSO use another power virtually simultaneously, you are essentially using two powers at once. It's not that you can use a power while cloaked, it's that you can use the shot power up AND a power at the same time.

Indeed, what I meant was that in ME2 you couldn't use powers while cloaked even if you wanted to. What I've noticed is that if you use your power first (which I do all the time with Energy Drain as it is more effective for me), you get a slight delay before you can shoot, but the weapon damage still seems to be amplified by the Cloak's effects for a while. I haven't tested it yet, though.

Modifié par tehBobby, 26 février 2012 - 12:11 .

[Daft Quaver]

tehBobby wrote...

The Viper is just meh, I keep getting it too. >_> And the Scimitar is actually beast with Cloak up, can lead to some nasty up close and personal action. ^^

Really!? I will have to give it a go

[tehBobby]

Daft Quaver wrote...

tehBobby wrote...

The Viper is just meh, I keep getting it too. >_> And the Scimitar is actually beast with Cloak up, can lead to some nasty up close and personal action. ^^

Really!? I will have to give it a go

I actually soloed Bronze with a shotgun Salarian, Phantoms did not have a good day. 

[CitizenSnips]

tehBobby wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

tehBobby wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

I've actually been doing this a lot. Also works with Cryo Blast (and I assume Sticky Grenade). Take down shields with a cloaked shot and immediately freezes the target. Easy pickings for either you or your team. Gotta say I absolutely love the Infiltrator but this might be fixed as I'm sure it's not intended.

I'm not sure about that, ME2 had it pretty straightforward with all powers disabled while cloaked, but now you can actually use them intentionally. I doubt THAT was what BioWare had in mind, but I don't really see how it's a glitch/exploit.

The power cooldown for the Infiltrator's cloak begins after the cloaked shot is taken. And since you can take that much more powerful shot and ALSO use another power virtually simultaneously, you are essentially using two powers at once. It's not that you can use a power while cloaked, it's that you can use the shot power up AND a power at the same time.

Indeed, what I meant was that in ME2 you couldn't use powers while cloaked even if you wanted to. What I've noticed is that if you use your power first (which I do all the time as it is more effective), you get a slight delay before you can shoot, but the weapon damage still seems to be amplified by the Cloak's effects for a while. I haven't tested it yet, though.

Ah I see. It's more effective for a salarian yes. For a human I prefer the other way around. Strip the shields with a powered up Widow shot, immediately freeze the now unprotected target making him a sitting duck for me or any teammates. It's also possible to use a cloak shot one target and freeze/energy drain another in under a second. It's an incredibly powerful combo.

Edit: I should also add that the Cryo Blast, like Incinerate, has travel time which makes using that first on a long range target impossible.

Modifié par mushoops86anjyl, 26 février 2012 - 12:19 .

[Daft Quaver]

tehBobby wrote...

Daft Quaver wrote...

tehBobby wrote...

The Viper is just meh, I keep getting it too. >_> And the Scimitar is actually beast with Cloak up, can lead to some nasty up close and personal action. ^^

Really!? I will have to give it a go

I actually soloed Bronze with a shotgun Salarian, Phantoms did not have a good day. 

Challenge accepted!

[tehBobby]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

tehBobby wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

tehBobby wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

I've actually been doing this a lot. Also works with Cryo Blast (and I assume Sticky Grenade). Take down shields with a cloaked shot and immediately freezes the target. Easy pickings for either you or your team. Gotta say I absolutely love the Infiltrator but this might be fixed as I'm sure it's not intended.

I'm not sure about that, ME2 had it pretty straightforward with all powers disabled while cloaked, but now you can actually use them intentionally. I doubt THAT was what BioWare had in mind, but I don't really see how it's a glitch/exploit.

The power cooldown for the Infiltrator's cloak begins after the cloaked shot is taken. And since you can take that much more powerful shot and ALSO use another power virtually simultaneously, you are essentially using two powers at once. It's not that you can use a power while cloaked, it's that you can use the shot power up AND a power at the same time.

Indeed, what I meant was that in ME2 you couldn't use powers while cloaked even if you wanted to. What I've noticed is that if you use your power first (which I do all the time as it is more effective), you get a slight delay before you can shoot, but the weapon damage still seems to be amplified by the Cloak's effects for a while. I haven't tested it yet, though.

Ah I see. It's more effective for a salarian yes. For a human I prefer the other way around. Strip the shields with a powered up Widow shot, immediately freeze the now unprotected target making him a sitting duck for me or any teammates. It's also possible to use a cloak shot one target and freeze/energy drain another in under a second. It's an incredibly powerful combo.

I totally agree with you, the fact that it requires you to make split second moves and keep your wits about you, combined with high accuracy, is what makes Infiltrator so fun to me. As far as the "power order" is concerned, Humans will definitely want to shoot first, then power away, as their powers are weaker against protected enemies. I apply the same tactic when spamming Proxi Mines on an Atlas.

[tehBobby]

Daft Quaver wrote...

tehBobby wrote...

Daft Quaver wrote...

tehBobby wrote...

The Viper is just meh, I keep getting it too. >_> And the Scimitar is actually beast with Cloak up, can lead to some nasty up close and personal action. ^^

Really!? I will have to give it a go

I actually soloed Bronze with a shotgun Salarian, Phantoms did not have a good day. 

Challenge accepted!

Good luck and use them Cobras wisely! 

Modifié par tehBobby, 26 février 2012 - 12:23 .

[mybudgee]

I guess Infiltrator is just as much fun as ever. Gotta try it...

[Jenetic]

I run this same build and do this same technique with my salarian and he can completely own the battlefield with his Widow.

[tehBobby]

mybudgee wrote...

I guess Infiltrator is just as much fun as ever. Gotta try it...

Absolutely! I just can't seem to get myself to play anything other than Infiltrator at the moment. Engineer/Adept is pretty nice when it comes to CC/support, but Infiltrators have this unique charisma that just makes me wanna play them.

Also, I love the fact that BioWare have made them so much more versatile in ME3, now you can be as effective at close range as you are being a sniper.

[Jenetic]

tehBobby wrote...

mybudgee wrote...

I guess Infiltrator is just as much fun as ever. Gotta try it...

Absolutely! I just can't seem to get myself to play anything other than Infiltrator at the moment. Engineer/Adept is pretty nice when it comes to CC/support, but Infiltrators have this unique charisma that just makes me wanna play them.

Also, I love the fact that BioWare have made them so much more versatile in ME3, now you can be as effective at close range as you are being a sniper.

That's why I've always loved the infiltrator.  There's just something....cool.....about the class.  It's fun because it's very tactical.  Infiltrator and Engineer are my two main classes.