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[EmCeeMendez]

 Widow or upgraded Viper? I believe I have a Viper VIII, and the Widow I. Since I don't understand how upgraded versions of a weapon increase perfomance beyond weight reduction, I was hoping someone else could help. 

[Chriss0978]

Upgrades increase damage, ammo capacity and reduce weight as far as I know.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

If I am asari, I go Viper--stasis bubble means you can shoot many times, even headshots.

If I am Turian or Salarian, I go Mantis--overload/drain + snipe combo decimates almost anything, not to mention that on silver, mantis one-shots a guardian if you go through the eyeport on them.

Human...idk. I don't play human much.

I have the low Widow, but I don't use it because of the huge weight penalty. That really sucks when you're trying to spam powers to disable targets for a snipe.

Modifié par DaftArbiter, 26 février 2012 - 12:33 .

[UK Wildcat]

On gold a widow can't one shot anything except normal troops. On silver a widow can one shot nearly anything if specced and you headshot. You have to 2 shot any centurion, nemesis, widow due to their having shields and widows not being able to inflict more than shield damage on first shot, regardless of the weapon level or talents you have on Gold.

Gold is about lowering shields then inflicting a kill shot while having enough time to recover so as not to die (in my opinion), so I would say use neither. Carnifex or Phalanx is my preference for gold.

If you are playing bronze or silver just play what is most comfortable for you.

[tehBobby]

It's down to personal preference in the end, but as far as I'm concerned, Viper is just outright weak. Widow is definitely more fun to use and more punishing in terms of error space. It encourages you to always look for that perfect shot, which is what a sniper is all about at the end of the day. Its only downside is that it's really heavy, but it's one-shot-kill ability more than makes up for it.

I'm not sure about Upgrades, but what I can tell you is that a Widow I >>> Viper X anyday.

[CitizenSnips]

A fully upgraded Viper is very comparable to a Widow I in terms of damage (though I believe it is still slightly lower, could be wrong though). It also has roughly double the amount of reserve ammunition and weighs much, much less making your power cooldown times much shorter. The Widow still has the advantage of shooting through light cover and shield though.

It is very acceptable to use a high ranking Viper over a Widow if it suits your playstyle.

Advantages of each:

Widow I - More damage and shoots through light cover and shields.
Viper X - More ammunition and shortens cooldown times.

That being said, the Widow X is going to be devastatingly powerful.

Modifié par mushoops86anjyl, 26 février 2012 - 12:39 .

[tehBobby]

UK Wildcat wrote...

On gold a widow can't one shot anything except normal troops. On silver a widow can one shot nearly anything if specced and you headshot. You have to 2 shot any centurion, nemesis, widow due to their having shields and widows not being able to inflict more than shield damage on first shot, regardless of the weapon level or talents you have on Gold.

Gold is about lowering shields then inflicting a kill shot while having enough time to recover so as not to die (in my opinion), so I would say use neither. Carnifex or Phalanx is my preference for gold.

If you are playing bronze or silver just play what is most comfortable for you.

Indeed, shields are a huge setback for snipers, but if you happen to be playing Infiltrator and, even better, a Salarian Infiltrator, then defenses are pretty much non-existent. Besides, you can always have your teammates set up a Chain Overload/Energy Drain to disable them nasty shields, it's almost a must on Gold anyway.

[tehBobby]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

A fully upgraded Viper is very comparable to a Widow I in terms of damage (though I believe it is still slightly lower, could be wrong though). It also has roughly double the amount of reserve ammunition and weighs much, much less making your power cooldown times much shorter. The Widow still has the advantage of shooting through light cover and shield though.

It is very acceptable to use a high ranking Viper over a Widow if it suits your playstyle.

True that, I'd imagine a Viper being viable for, say, an Adept. It's actually a pretty good combo and I've seen quite a few. Personally I'm not into Viper at all, but it would make a great support weapon and the low weight is a huge bonus for power-spamming classes.

[EmCeeMendez]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Advantages of each:

Widow I - More damage and shoots through light cover and shields.
Viper X - More ammunition and shortens cooldown times.

What do you mean, shoot through light cover and shields? Surely we arent talking about taking down a Guardian without a headshot to his peephole. If so, I'm retiring the Viper.

[VirtualAlex]

Yeah the widow can shoot through the shields.

[Shadow of Terror]

EmCeeMendez wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Advantages of each:

Widow I - More damage and shoots through light cover and shields.
Viper X - More ammunition and shortens cooldown times.

What do you mean, shoot through light cover and shields? Surely we arent talking about taking down a Guardian without a headshot to his peephole. If so, I'm retiring the Viper.

That is exactly what it means.

[CitizenSnips]

EmCeeMendez wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Advantages of each:

Widow I - More damage and shoots through light cover and shields.
Viper X - More ammunition and shortens cooldown times.

What do you mean, shoot through light cover and shields? Surely we arent talking about taking down a Guardian without a headshot to his peephole. If so, I'm retiring the Viper.

That's exactly what I'm saying. The Widow shoots right through shields. With a Widow, Gaurdians are a joke even on gold.

[tehBobby]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

EmCeeMendez wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Advantages of each:

Widow I - More damage and shoots through light cover and shields.
Viper X - More ammunition and shortens cooldown times.

What do you mean, shoot through light cover and shields? Surely we arent talking about taking down a Guardian without a headshot to his peephole. If so, I'm retiring the Viper.

That's exactly what I'm saying. The Widow shoots right through shields. With a Widow, Gaurdians are a joke even on gold.

You can actually collat Guardians with a well-placed shot. Widow don't give a ****. 

[CitizenSnips]

Just so I'm clear, you can still kill Guardians with a well placed Viper shot. You just have to place it within the little vision slot on the shield. With the Widow you can shoot clean through any part of the shield.

It's common knowledge but someone people might not know.

[Tangster]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Just so I'm clear, you can still kill Guardians with a well placed Viper shot. You just have to place it within the little vision slot on the shield. With the Widow you can shoot clean through any part of the shield.

It's common knowledge but someone people might not know.

But you can get 2 in a row with a widow, properly lined up through the peep hole on the first, and through the shield on the 2nd.

[Adugan]

tehBobby wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

EmCeeMendez wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Advantages of each:

Widow I - More damage and shoots through light cover and shields.
Viper X - More ammunition and shortens cooldown times.

What do you mean, shoot through light cover and shields? Surely we arent talking about taking down a Guardian without a headshot to his peephole. If so, I'm retiring the Viper.

That's exactly what I'm saying. The Widow shoots right through shields. With a Widow, Gaurdians are a joke even on gold.

You can actually collat Guardians with a well-placed shot. Widow don't give a ****. 

You can also shoot two enemies at the same time, if they are lined up. Or shoot through light cover like those rectangular steel plates beside the ladder where everyone always runs to on Noveria.

[EmCeeMendez]

Thanks guys, I actually didn't know that. The Viper has officially been retired.

[Rebel_Guy]

Lol viper isn't even comparable to widow I no matter how many upgrades unless your a class not specializing in weapons like an adept.

You can shoot a widow with cloak on every time as long as you wait around 1 second longer, which will one shot an assault trooper even on a non headshot, also atlas will not pile up on you or your honestly doing it wrong, the widow isn't afraid of anything and I'm inclined to say it's overpowered even, but for some reason everybody I see don't put it to much use.. its like they're afraid of shooting an atlas unless its sheilds are down which is annoying but I'm rambling

[_symphony]

widow is too heavy for my taste, I prefer viper.

[Purple Protector]

Viper. Sure you can penetrate shields with the widow, but the gun is weak against shield and barriers. And if you cant even aim for that little window of the guardians shield, you better stop sniping and pick another class/gun

I always pick the viper. Bronze, Silver, Gold. Good for killing phantoms, panic situations, CQC situations and the infiltrator bonus (40% camo damage + 40% sniper rifle damage) helps a lot here. Fast firing rate, fast reload times and huge clips > win.

[HolyAvenger]

Widow all the way. The number and waves of enemies that show up in gold, I find the killing power of it absolutely worthwhile.

[CitizenSnips]

Modifié par mushoops86anjyl, 26 février 2012 - 03:35 .

[Richard0600]

Human Soldier - Widow

Shoot once... Adrenaline Rush (instant reload).. Shoot again.. Dead...

I outscore infiltrators every game on gold... I hate asari adepts who carry widows... your stasis cd is way too slow.. If you want to snipe carry a viper w/ phalanx.. -160-180% cd if I recall correctly..

Modifié par Richard0600, 26 février 2012 - 03:48 .

[Richard0600]

(double post)

Modifié par Richard0600, 26 février 2012 - 03:45 .

[jelf rs]

Widow on bronze/silver = one shot everything(may require headshot for shielded centurion and nemises) except phantom.

Widow on gold = one shot trooper and guardian, rest require two hits or more. But with cloak+energy drain+widow you can still finish a full barrier+health phantom within 3secs on gold.