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[Terminus Echoes]

Why?

They do not stumble back from attacks (even a fully 675 N Concussive Shot), they jump all over the place, they can turn invisible, they have long-ranged MIND BULLET attacks that do massive damage, and in close quarters, they EFF YOU UP, and can even totally kill you, not allowing you to be revived.

Seriously, they need to be NERFED. Like, make them be able to stumble back from attacks. It's totally ridiculous.

[Chriss0978]

You can stagger them. Charge is particularly effective. Wouldn't know about Concussive Shot though.

They are not OP IMO. I can solo them on Silver with my Vanguard or my Adept without any problems.

[Terminus Echoes]

iRipper wrote...

Agreed, but they are fun. And actually make people crap their pants

Indeed they are a challenge, but I just got done with the most insane Silver match ever. The last 3 rounds had like 4 or more Atlases (not kidding) and 2-4 Phantoms each. At least Atlases are slow, though, and can be knocked back a bit by Concussive Shots and Frag Grenades and the like, but Phantoms just do whatever the hell they want.

How we managed to finish that game is astounding.

[Terminus Echoes]

Chriss0978 wrote...

You can stagger them. Charge is particularly effective. Wouldn't know about Concussive Shot though.

They are not OP IMO. I can solo them on Silver with my Vanguard or my Adept without any problems.

Well yes, for biotics, that is. However, 1/10 players use Vanguards, which is surprising because of how OP they are.

I mainly play Level 20 Soldier, and I can take down anything solo except Phantoms, which is mainly because while everything else has its strengths and weaknesses, the Phantom has virtually no weakness. That's my problem with it.

[Cicero.me]

You can stagger them. I stagger them with a cloaked widow head shot all the time.

[Richard0600]

They're perfect the way they are.. without them this game would be too easy. Since you are a soldier an easy way to deal with them is to grab the widow. If you don't have a widow than a mantis will have to do.

1. Take aim get a headshot, the phantom will stop for a second
2. Quickly adrenaline rush (instant reload)
3. Get another headshot.. Phantom is now dead..

I do this on gold (with a widow) works like a charm. I do have a Widow V though and usually have some kind of ammo attached to it. But i'm sure you can figure it out... But since you are crying about phantoms being OP then you are probably playing Bronze.. In which case a mantis will surely deal with it.

You should never have to 1v1 a phantom anyways.. if you do then you are playing this game wrong. Where are your team mates? Did you run off like an idiot trying to get more points?

Modifié par Richard0600, 26 février 2012 - 03:16 .

[Denora]

I actually like the challenge phantoms represent. They really keep you on your toes and from getting too comfortable with any one strategy.

Modifié par Denora, 26 février 2012 - 03:16 .

[CitizenSnips]

I actually like them. They are one of the few, if not the only, legitimate single enemy threats on the field.

Modifié par mushoops86anjyl, 26 février 2012 - 03:17 .

[Chriss0978]

Terminus Echoes wrote...

Chriss0978 wrote...

You can stagger them. Charge is particularly effective. Wouldn't know about Concussive Shot though.

They are not OP IMO. I can solo them on Silver with my Vanguard or my Adept without any problems.

Well yes, for biotics, that is. However, 1/10 players use Vanguards, which is surprising because of how OP they are.

I mainly play Level 20 Soldier, and I can take down anything solo except Phantoms, which is mainly because while everything else has its strengths and weaknesses, the Phantom has virtually no weakness. That's my problem with it.

Does Concussive Shot stagger them?

Phantoms are surprisingly easy to kill if you can stagger them from a distance. Even without biotics.

[HolyAvenger]

Turian sentinel rolling with a Widow. Overload to one-shot the barriers, headshot to kill them.

Next!

[Link Ashland 614]

If you manage to destroy their swords, they extremely useless up-close. Just aim right, Carnifex with scope or a sniper rifle (Mantis or Widow) should do it.

[Dark-Kyon-X]

iRipper wrote...

Agreed, but they are fun. And actually make people crap their pants

Yes xD

[RainyDayLover]

The ME3 MP demo wouldn't nearly be as much fun and exciting if it weren't for the Phantoms. Please leave them be.

[Sidney]

Chriss0978 wrote...

You can stagger them. Charge is particularly effective. Wouldn't know about Concussive Shot though.

They are not OP IMO. I can solo them on Silver with my Vanguard or my Adept without any problems.

They're just killers unless you have a way to quickly drop their barriers  - Biotic Charge, Warp or Overload. Again, teamwork should allow people to deal with them but most MP games are basically 4 people on the same side who happen to be on the same map. there's almost no coordination and cooperation.

[Mutubah]

They're not overpowered.

Asari adepts make them trivial using stasis.
Engineers/Turian sentinels instantly take away half of their survivability with a simple overload.
Infiltrators basically completely destroy them with a cloaked headshot.

[Chriss0978]

Sidney wrote...

Chriss0978 wrote...

You can stagger them. Charge is particularly effective. Wouldn't know about Concussive Shot though.

They are not OP IMO. I can solo them on Silver with my Vanguard or my Adept without any problems.

They're just killers unless you have a way to quickly drop their barriers  - Biotic Charge, Warp or Overload. Again, teamwork should allow people to deal with them but most MP games are basically 4 people on the same side who happen to be on the same map. there's almost no coordination and cooperation.

Shotguns are effective against them as well, just don't get too close, or they will insta-kill you.

[Terminus Echoes]

Richard0600 wrote...

They're perfect the way they are.. without them this game would be too easy. Since you are a soldier an easy way to deal with them is to grab the widow. If you don't have a widow than a mantis will have to do.

1. Take aim get a headshot, the phantom will stop for a second
2. Quickly adrenaline rush (instant reload)
3. Get another headshot.. Phantom is now dead..

I do this on gold (with a widow) works like a charm. I do have a Widow V though and usually have some kind of ammo attached to it. But i'm sure you can figure it out... But since you are crying about phantoms being OP then you are probably playing Bronze.. In which case a mantis will surely deal with it.

You should never have to 1v1 a phantom anyways.. if you do then you are playing this game wrong. Where are your team mates? Did you run off like an idiot trying to get more points?

I don't have a Widow, sadly. The most interesting thing I've gotten is the Carnifex, which is what I use, but I haven't even gotten an upgrade for that yet. Nothing but upgrades for the Predator and the first SMG, whatever it's called.

And I don't have Adrenaline Rush upgraded because it's horrible. It was amazing in ME2, but sucks in this game because there's no slowdown, hence why I have fully upgraded Concussion Shot. 

Even with teammates it's difficult, because it just dances around the bullets and everything and slices you up like a pizza.

Chriss0978 wrote...
Does Concussive Shot stagger them?

Phantoms are surprisingly easy to kill if you can stagger them from a distance. Even without biotics.

HELL NO. XD

They just cartwheel all around and dodge it. Even if it does hit, it still doesn't stagger them.

[Cyonan]

I like them they way they are. It's nice to have enemies on the field that make you worried. My worst wave with them was 5 phantoms and 3 atlases. As a level 15 krogan soldier I just 1 shot every phantom with a heavy melee with rage up.

Though I wouldn't mind seeing Concussive Shot stagger them, since things like charge already does.

[TeaL3af]

The way I see it, Phantoms exist to force team work. They are like the witch or tank in Left4Dead, you need the entire team focusing on them to safely take them out. A few classes can actually solo them, but things can still go wrong.

[Chriss0978]

Terminus Echoes wrote...

HELL NO. XD

They just cartwheel all around and dodge it. Even if it does hit, it still doesn't stagger them.

Well, I can drop their shields with the Phalanx, so I suppose you should be able to do so with the Carnifex, just shoot when the cartwheel animation stops, and you'll probably hit.

[Praetor Knight]

Mutubah wrote...

They're not overpowered.

Asari adepts make them trivial using stasis.
Engineers/Turian sentinels instantly take away half of their survivability with a simple overload.
Infiltrators basically completely destroy them with a cloaked headshot.

Exactly, if any group is going into a Silver or Gold match, there needs to be at least one Asari, to easily handle them, plus Nemesis (they reposition too often, for headshots) and Guardians too.

I enjoyed casting Stasis Bubbles.

Then, as long as the team watches flanks, saves Rockets for emergencies and stick together, only the skies the limit!

[HolyAvenger]

Yeah the thing is, if there was no Phantom spam Gold would be a cakewalk. As it is, Phantoms force decent teams playing Gold to actually have a semblance of teamwork and not make mistakes.

[Nette]

I think they're fun, like said above, they keep you on your toes. Vanguard here on silver and I usually fire a couple of shotgun-rounds at her to get the shields down a bit then charge and nova. Easy as pie! ^^

Modifié par Nette, 26 février 2012 - 03:49 .

[Hyunsai]

A thing to know for all biotics that are not Asari Adepts or Vanguards : When using powers against them, sometimes they enter an "invincible against biotic power" mode, but when doing so, they are STANDING STILL. So, headshots !


Otherwise, Phantoms are FUN. Hearing those guys panic on mic when seeing one is a thing of beauty.

Leave them be.

Modifié par Hyunsai, 26 février 2012 - 03:47 .