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[capn233]

Phantoms were all trained by Pai Mei which is why they are so deadly.

I agree with above though, what Phantoms do the best is illustrate class balance or perhaps imbalance.

Modifié par capn233, 26 février 2012 - 06:29 .

[twister87]

My answer (on silver at least): Krogan soldier - 2x heavy melee - dead.

As long as I get the drop that is

[The_mango55]

Well I've only played Gold a couple of times and lost both, but I think they are fine the way they are.

Remember that we are going to have better stuff in the full game.

[Delta 57 Dash]

Salarian Infiltrators can solo Phantoms on GOLD no problem.

So no, they are not overpowered. They ARE very scary though.

[palker]

twister87 wrote...

My answer (on silver at least): Krogan soldier - 2x heavy melee - dead.

As long as I get the drop that is

Her answer to my heavy melee is stab and instant irreversible death, mine death that is.
You can get saved from being stabed if one of your teammate stuns it but that does not happen very often also they can stab you from about 2 meters or maybe further. It never gets old when you try to run away from phantom and it just catches you in a tractor beam and pull you over to launch that not frustrating supper cool and fun stabbing animation.

[CoffeeHolic93]

Charge -> Nova -> Nova -> Charge.

Widow Headshot.

Stasis Bubble.

Krogan Melee.

That is all.

[Chriss0978]

Lightweight Nate wrote...

Chriss0978 wrote...

You can stagger them. Charge is particularly effective. Wouldn't know about Concussive Shot though.

They are not OP IMO. I can solo them on Silver with my Vanguard or my Adept without any problems.

Just to be clear, Asari Adepts do not count, as Stasis is magic rape sauce. Powers are extremely inconsistent against Phantoms, partly because they flip around so much (which really makes the annoying thing where an enemy starts a flip right as your power has made contact and the power has no effect stand out), as well as what appears to be the buggiest hit detection in the game. Seriously, you'd figure that a 1000+ Newton Shockwave would budge a 90 lb. ninja. Just saying.

I didn't unlock the Asari so.....

[A SILENT EMU]

No, they are the only thing that makes gold somewhat challenging.

[ncknck]

Decoy works wonders against Phantoms, they attack it like stupid. In fact it works against other enemies too short of Atlas. Almost need no cover anymore. And that on Gold.

[TheRazgrez]

I say nerf the dam things, there one hit kill that drives there sword through your gut is more then over powered its retarded and I hate to use that word. if the Phantoms are that powerful in game then I hope that theres a gun ANY gun that can half there power, or make them stumble more then for a few seconds.

[magor1988x]

Phantoms are powerful not over powered. They're intended to make players crap their pants when they come onto the field & work as a team. If you have all 4 players using just their guns & no abilities they die FAST if you have all 4 players *actually* using their abilities & their weapons they die even faster... (Asari Stasis is the best counter to them period, but other abilities certainly help)

If they freeze to throw off your abilities shoot them, if they start moving use your abilities, & unless you are a CQC specced class (Krogan Soldier, Vanguards, Infiltrator w/Shotgun) stay at range.

I've soloed 3-4 Phantoms on Silver as a Human Infil & it's most certainly doable... any time I was close to getting flanked I popped cloak & ran to the other side of the map to heal & recover... Scary as hell & it took me 5-6 minutes to finish that wave alone but I did it

Also I can't wait to see what the Reaper forces equivalent to a Phantom is in live...

[ajaxbr]

Phantoms are just the measuring stick......
Phantoms < skilled player
Phantoms > unprepared player

[FeralEwok]

The only complaint I have with Phantoms is that they have several times pulled me in from a long distance with their stab animation. I was running in the opposite direction only to be turned around and have my character magically teleported within stabbing range.

[Terminus Echoes]

Allow me to go into detail:

1. They shoot a long-range, fast projectile that kills in 4 shots maximum.
2. They have Barriers that are incredibly tough, as well as health that's almost as tough.
3. They are smaller and harder to hit.
4. They jump all over the place.
5. They can cloak.
6. They run away when injured.
7. They can kill you for the round.
8. Most importantly, they are near impossible to cause to stagger back (unless you're a Krogan).

However, the Nemesis and Guardian are also underpowered. Guardians are too slow and easy to kill, and Nemeses just run all around and hide half of the time.

If you ask me, Nemeses should be able to cloak and not the Phantom, and Guardians should get some of their speed. That'd balance things out nicely.

Modifié par Terminus Echoes, 03 mars 2012 - 04:03 .

[Stardusk78]

The only thing that is truly OP is the instant kill attack which is impossible to revive from. Apart from that a sneaky Claymore Infiltrator can one shot their head....no worries.

[EL BURRITO LOCO]

Shoots with mantis X in camo with salarian and gets insta-killed, uses overload and shoots a bunch in the head, charges with vanguard and unloads into her with scimitar, throws cluster grenade :-).

They are not very hard you just have to play to your abilities and every character has a particular skill that can own them. The only problem with them is if you walk around a corner or fall down a ledge then get executed by one or if you get snuck up on by 3 or more of them then your game gets real f****ed up real fast.

[Stardusk78]

EL BURRITO LOCO wrote...

Shoots with mantis X in camo with salarian and gets insta-killed, uses overload and shoots a bunch in the head, charges with vanguard and unloads into her with scimitar, throws cluster grenade :-).

They are not very hard you just have to play to your abilities and every character has a particular skill that can own them. The only problem with them is if you walk around a corner or fall down a ledge then get executed by one or if you get snuck up on by 3 or more of them then your game gets real f****ed up real fast.

A Mantis X on Gold will NEVER OSOK a Phantom.

[Terminus Echoes]

I have been OHKing Phantoms with my new Widow and Infiltrator, yes, but only by luck and them hiding behind cover, which rarely happens. (This is on Silver)

If they could stagger back a bit they'd be more balanced. You could hit them head-on with a truck and they'd shrug it off.

[Melra]

Learn to play, they ain't overpowered. You just can't take them head on, use the brains you've been given.

[LoboFH]

Phantoms are a real challenge, don't touch a hair of them, don't nerf them one inch. If you can't beat Gold play Bronze...or Sims.

Use your brain, your powers and the team cooperation instead your guns and your fear.

Modifié par LoboFH, 03 mars 2012 - 05:23 .

[spirosz]

I like them, the dance around the battlefield and frolick their way towards my stasis bubble, or a Krogan's melee, always amusing to watch haha.

[Thoragoros]

Using my Turian Sentinel, I can Overload-Mattock-Overload-Mattock and she is down, provided I keep moving. Using my Vanguard Charge-Nova-Rollback-Charge-Nova-Heavy Melee-Rollback-Charge. Using my Krogan, I spam Inferno Grenades at her, fire off Carnage, and heavy melee.

That is not at all overpowered.

[Terminus Echoes]

I do use my brain. Hence my rational thinking of this. They have too many pros and no cons at all. Some of the Phantom's traits should be shared with the Nemesis and Guardian to make a beautiful balance. Refer to one of my previous posts for that explanation.