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[Frozen Mind]

Using cowbell attracts the Reapers.

[AkiKishi]

BiO_MaN wrote...

You all got it wrong, this is pac-man in space.

Shepard plays 8bit in his spare time.

[GHOST OF FRUITY]

The planet scanning looks pretty harmless in ME3 judging from that video. The little normandy ship doesn't worry me, but I must admit I did prefer the ME1 style galaxy map. Even so, not a big issue and we'll soon be able to see for ourselves.

[Phaedon]

[quote]Terror_K wrote...
Of course it's hypocrisy in that case. That was kind of the point, if only for that post (and perhaps this one).[/quote]
Your point was to try to show the error of my ways by being hypocritical, yourself? That's interesting.

Especially since hypocrisy destroys your point completely.

[quote]Also, I don't believe I've ever used the term "Biodrones" before, so where you got that from escapes me.[/quote]
They don't teach evasive manuevres like they used to in Alliance Academies anymore...

[quote]just another "Everyone who doesn't agree with me are Biodrones" post hidden behind actually not so fancy words[/quote]
[quote]let's just rag on him because he doesn't suck the BioWare phallus.[/quote]

Did you seriously think that the "I don't know what you are talking about" would hold up when in the same page you imply that everyone who has a different opinion than you, is sucking BioWare's phallus.


[quote]Also, have you even read the arrogance within your own posts... with your little, "Ah, look. My little test subject is functioning right on schedule according to my impeccable calculations" attitude.[/quote]
But, it is no attitude. I remarked, that you in fact, leave threads boil for 7-10 pages, and then make an attempt at a comeback.

I am yes, indeed reaffirming my position, and yes, I am criticizing your stance on how you let your rant threads develop. Not only is the fact that you are making threads, NOT inviting to debate bad enough, you let the situation degrade, and at some point you even complain about the devolution of the thread.

It is well known that a lot of trolls work by posting a heated OP and then just letting the community bicker with itself. Did you seriously think that taking tips from them was such a good idea?

[quote]And what I'd prefer is that any points I bring up be countered with productive discussion instead of snide little digs just because of who I am. Attack the points, not the one who made them. I suppose you'd consider this hypocrisy on my part too right now, but alas, pointing that out is the point of this post.[/quote]
Of course it's hypocrisy. I can't call you on it every time you are being hypocritical.

I have attacked, as I have repeated multiple times, the things in your OP that are just incorrect, pointed out logical flaws and even brought comparisons to ME1. Yes, you are going to get criticized for not making intelligent points.

The entirety of your OP can be summed up by "This was stupid in ME2, why bring it back again. Also, I dislike this and this, but I won't tell you why". Furthermore, you are going to be criticized for consistently making these kind of rants.

You don't get to start on a clean slate everytime you post a rant of yours.
This trend is not acceptable, admirable and must, on principle be criticized.

[quote]And there we are again... the arrogance. If there's any reason for a so-called "pattern" to my posts, it's because of what these forums have degraded into. There's only so much blind defending of bad decisions, rampant fanboyism and circular illogic that one can take before they just think, "Y'know... screw this. Sick of repeating myself and getting nowhere. Bye."[/quote]
[quote]
And there we are again... the arrogance. [/quote]
Incredible. But anyway...

You openly admit then, that because of the supposed low quality of the threads, which as you OPENLY was created by Biodronism and to which you don't accept any contribution, that you can rant without having any valid points, but rather because you just feel the need to vent. In a forum. A forum.

The problem of course is, that this has been your constant behavior for 2+ years, and it will continue to be so.
This is grounds for an immediate lock. It won't be, however. I will just quote this everytime you decide to make these forums your personal swear jar.

[quote]Funny, considering how many have felt that my arguments are generally well done, despite not even always agreeing with them. [/quote]
And where are those myriads hidden, Terror? Are they among who openly say "Oh, it's Terror again".

[quote]I'm not saying that they all are and I don't get angry and just vent or rant a little, but still... I don't just bash for the sake of bashing.[/quote]
Except that you have just admit to be doing that a few paragraphs above. Nice.

[quote]
The problem here, of course, lies with the fact that:

• The rant was written and posted by you.
• I, for some reason, felt the urge to respond to it with an intelligent argument
• You decided not to reply to that argument.
• You feel special as opposed to the mainstream crowd.
• You respond with an attack to my person instead of argument.

So, what's up, doc? 
[/quote]

[quote]1. Fair nuff. Can't argue that.[/quote]
Good. Because I have more to say on the subject.

Your acceptance that you are indeed, posting nothing but an unintelligent rant, and you think that it's okay. Is pretty telltale. This shall be quoted in the future.

[quote]2. Re-read so-called "intelligent argument" of yours again. There's not much to it beyond, "no, you're wrong" and then a little snide and arrogant remark at the bottom.[/quote]
Incorrect. The only time that I call you out on being flat out wrong and not that you have glaring flaws in your logic is about the first point. In every other point, I point out your logical flaws.


[quote]3. Oh, I'm sorry! I'm sorry I must spend every moment waiting for the great and mighty Phaedon to post, hitting F5 every few seconds to make sure he does so that I may respond to his greatness! I'm sorry that when I have other things to do or am in other topics that I am not serving the master![/quote]
Tsk. Tsk.

Do I need to tell it again?

It's the hypocrisy-mobiiiiiile!

[/quote] 

[quote]4. I don't feel special at all. Quite the opposite actually. The fact you think I do just shows how little you really understand.[/quote]
Will you look at that. I didn't even need to Google "mainstream" and "Terror_K"

http://social.biowar...3/index/8003861 
http://social.biowar...3/index/7927921 
http://social.biowar...3/index/7429229 

Tell us what you think of the "overcatered console kiddies", then.

[quote] 
5. ****** for tat basically. Wouldn't have happened had the stone not already been cast.
[/quote]
It's the-

Ah, f*ck it.

[Terror_K]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

@Phaedon: You're venting. Yeah, you are. Stop it, you're making yourself look bad.

@Terror: Your initial post, as I already pointed out, made absolutely no sense whatsoever. You can't really blame others for assuming you were trolling when you post such an illogical OP that sounds so very much like baseless whining.

@Daddy: You're doing it again.

@Everyone else: Good job staying on topic.

Look at it this way guys; you're all mad at each other for exactly the same reason. Logical failure. Terror and Daddy feel that "sucking up to Bioware" is idiotic and they cite a myriad of illogical arguments made by fans in defense of Bioware as readily available evidence.

Phaedon and others feel that people like Terror create baseless and illogical threads complaining about every little thing that has ever passed through the rumor mill about ME3 and they cite a myriad of readily available examples as evidence.

Here's a funny thought: YOU'RE BOTH RIGHT. Both sides have done about equal shares of this type of argument making. Defenders of Bioware are Biodrones and detractors are haters and trolls. In most cases both sides have come to equally illogical conclusions and have defended these conclusions with illogical rationale.

For the purpose of continued coexistence, I really think we should just agree to disagree until the game drops.

*Applauds* :happy:

Seriously... good post.

[AlphaJarmel]

Holy Christ this thread derailed and hard.

[Phaedon]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Phaedon and others feel that people like Terror create baseless and illogical threads complaining about every little thing that has ever passed through the rumor mill about ME3 and they cite a myriad of readily available examples as evidence.

Here's a funny thought: YOU'RE BOTH RIGHT. Both sides have done about equal shares of this type of argument making. Defenders of Bioware are Biodrones and detractors are haters and trolls. In most cases both sides have come to equally illogical conclusions and have defended these conclusions with illogical rationale.

But your rationale IS illogical, mate. You put all parties within two categories. The BioWare Defence Force and the BioWare Attack Force.

So, just because you have BioDrones and well, Terror, does that mean that there aren't any people who genuinely note the **** from both sides and call them out on it? As a consumer who hasn't even pre-ordered ME3, I can tell you that there are. If you don't believe that I, along with others, are not aligned neither with mindless haters nor mindless fanboys, then attack our arguments, rather than comment on how we belong to one or the other side.

For the purpose of continued coexistence, I really think we should just agree to disagree until the game drops.

And your suggestion to stop criticizing logical flaws doesn't help the assertion above either.

Have fun reading Terror rants for the rest of the year, and "shutting up", as you put it.

Modifié par Phaedon, 26 février 2012 - 11:20 .

[Exia001]

I agree on the dropping of the subject, ME3 will be an individual experience played by you, in your house, alone. You do not have to hear talk of Biodrones, BDF.CDF or whatever, opinions on this forum have never mattered beyond pointlessly trying to prove the other side right, come march we dont need to do that anymore and can just enjoy ME3

[GuardianAngel470]

Phaedon wrote...

*snip*

Phaedon, why, exactly can't you just PM a moderator? Why, exactly, can't you just make this argument to someone who can actually do something about it?

You've already taken up several pages with this attempt at an intervention (or whatever the hell it is you hope to accomplish because I can't see a clear end goal) and at this point it just seems like venting.

On topic, I think if ME3 just keeps the same scanning speed for the planets that ME2 had after the patch then there is nothing wrong with the system.

I don't personally like the Normandy ship mechanic as I prefered the ME1 style Galaxy map over ME2's but it isn't something that bothers me terribly.

[Chromie]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...


Phaedon, why, exactly can't you just PM a moderator? Why, exactly, can't you just make this argument to someone who can actually do something about it?

Because then he wouldn't get his kicks.

[Terror_K]

Phaedon wrote...

Your point was to try to show the error of my ways by being hypocritical, yourself? That's interesting.

Especially since hypocrisy destroys your point completely.

More to make an exception in your case.

Did you seriously think that the "I don't know what you are talking about" would hold up when in the same page you imply that everyone who has a different opinion than you, is sucking BioWare's phallus.

Not everybody. Just those who pretty much never have a bad thing to say about ME2 and ME3, and who always leap in to defend BioWare at every single turn. There are plenty of posters who disagree with me and have in the past who aren't complete tools.

I am yes, indeed reaffirming my position, and yes, I am criticizing your stance on how you let your rant threads develop. Not only is the fact that you are making threads, NOT inviting to debate bad enough, you let the situation degrade, and at some point you even complain about the devolution of the thread.

It is well known that a lot of trolls work by posting a heated OP and then just letting the community bicker with itself. Did you seriously think that taking tips from them was such a good idea?

The only ones that are responsible for how such threads develop are those who make them that way. You can't blame me for all the inane posts that follow. And don't act like it's not as common in every third thread or so, regardless of whether it's one I started.

You openly admit then, that because of the supposed low quality of the threads, which as you OPENLY was created by Biodronism and to which you don't accept any contribution, that you can rant without having any valid points, but rather because you just feel the need to vent. In a forum. A forum.

The problem of course is, that this has been your constant behavior for 2+ years, and it will continue to be so.
This is grounds for an immediate lock. It won't be, however. I will just quote this everytime you decide to make these forums your personal swear jar.

I admit to making the occasional post and even thread when I'm angry that is largely a vent of frustration, yes. I do not, however, admit to every single thread or post of mine, or even a majority of them, being this way. Are you honestly telling me that you've never got angry and something and wanted to get it off your chest?

Except that you have just admit to be doing that a few paragraphs above. Nice.

Okay... whatever you say, pal.

Good. Because I have more to say on the subject.

Your acceptance that you are indeed, posting nothing but an unintelligent rant, and you think that it's okay. Is pretty telltale. This shall be quoted in the future.

Way to put words in my mouth. I merely agreed that I posted the initial topic. Just because you labeled it as an "unintelligent rant" doesn't mean I agree with that. While it was somewhat a case of me venting my frustration at the revelation, it had merit behind it, IMO. It wasn't just mindless and done for the sake of bashing BioWare. I was annoyed by what I saw and felt the need to express that. That doesn't make the points any less valid.

[LGTX]

It's definitely not worse than ME2, but I did want the Galaxy Map to return to being an actual map as in ME1, as opposed to a realtime representation of what's going on. But I can live with it.

[Phaedon]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Phaedon, why, exactly can't you just PM a moderator? Why, exactly, can't you just make this argument to someone who can actually do something about it?

And what exactly would that accomplish? A lock? That is unlikely, but even then, Terror has 5 locked threads in his history. Probably 10 or 15 in total. Do explain your logic in how we will not see a new rant in 2 weeks.

You've already taken up several pages with this attempt at an intervention (or whatever the hell it is you hope to accomplish because I can't see a clear end goal) and at this point it just seems like venting.

It may seem for whatever you choose it to seem, but in the end you'll have yet to provide any arguments as to why. What is then, the point of your remarks? We can both agree that you are not stating facts. If so, what's the point of posting it, if it can't even be discussed?

The rationale that you develop is the following: The forums are divided into BDF and BAF, with no middle ground in between. In the end, we should just stand back and watch the situation evolve. You also jump to some other conclusions, for which you provide no argumentantion, and I can therefore not argue against.

I am not sure if your problem is the understanding of what a forum entails, or of your following of the debate itself. Terror posted a rant, I made some remarks on it, Terror made some remarks on that too, and finally, I did some more remarks.

And this is how the thread, will end, basically. Terror will stop replying because he can't argue against the fact that the purpose of this thread was not a discussion. He admits that by himself.

Your suggestion, to top that off, then, is to at some point, stop making remarks. To stop debating. On that conclusion, I think that even this reason can be chalked up to the original one. The lack of understanding of what a forum entails.

Yes, people have beliefs, and they'll argue to defend them. Your problem with that is not understandable at all.

[Cody211282]

Frozen Mind wrote...

Using cowbell attracts the Reapers.

They have a fevor, and the only cure is more cowbell, and slurpies.

[rockstyle6]

I think i am going to be paranoid after playn ME3. 

Scan * look left  , look right  * phuu no Reaper . 

Scan * look left , look rig * .... aaaa its behind me , its behind meeee !!!!! HEELLLPP ! :pinched:

Modifié par rockstyle6, 26 février 2012 - 11:43 .

[Chromie]

Cody211282 wrote...

Frozen Mind wrote...

Using cowbell attracts the Reapers.

They have a fevor, and the only cure is more cowbell, and slurpies.

Someone say more cowbell?

 

[Terror_K]

Phaedon wrote...

And this is how the thread, will end, basically. Terror will stop replying because he can't argue against the fact that the purpose of this thread was not a discussion. He admits that by himself.

No I didn't. I merely admitted that it was a thread born out of a venting of my frustrations. That doesn't mean I never intended it to go anywhere. I will admit that it's not the best way to start a thread and that I probably should have waited a little longer to let what I'd seen sink in rather than post straight away, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a method to my madness.

For starters, after some thought, watching things a few more times and reading some points, I'll admit that the system doesn't actually look worse than the one in ME2. But that doesn't mean that it's good, and I still feel largely the same about the issues I have with it.

What I do feel is that BioWare didn't really learn from some (not all) of the problems with ME2's method, and in some ways that does make it worse when they seem to be going backwards instead of fowards. I do feel it's not as good as the ME1 galaxy map, but at the same time I understand that given the nature of the game that it can't be the same.

Honestly, aside from the pinging of the radar around the galaxy, the flying the ship around as if a toy is my main beef, largely because it just felt so juvenile and silly in ME2. To me the original galaxy map was basically you, as Shepard, using the map to plot a course in order to go there... not you literally taking the ship around like cars on a Hotwheels track. It just feels wrong, and I don't like seeing it back again.

Now, the first thing to ask is simply, "why can't we just have a cursor ala ME1 again?" and the only reason we really can't is when it comes down to the Reaper chase mechanic, which also is just silly, IMO. I see no reason why since a basic cursor can scan a planet that it can't ping the different systems either. After all, that's kind of what we did with ME1 when finding minerals and the like in the asteroid belts that weren't immediately visible.

Again too, it's not a complete failing as a system. Credits and fuel are no longer merely a credit sink, which is good. Planet scanning for actual minerals is gone, yes, but to me the whole system "pinging" thing is basically the replacement, and while it may not be quite as tedious, I don't think the fact that you can draw Reaper attention is going to make things that much fun when it can potentially force you out of a system and not able to resume without a whole mission detour first. It may depend on balance. As other posters already pointing out, he did have to do a fair bit of pinging to even draw Reaper attention, but that was also a system with only two scanning points of interest, so it's hard to gauge. How random the findings are would also factor into how fun or tedious this could be.

Yes, admittedly, probably not as bad as ME2 was. But that doesn't mean it's good and couldn't have been done a lot better.

Modifié par Terror_K, 26 février 2012 - 11:56 .

[sorentoft]

I actually think it looks awesome.

[Phaedon]

[quote][quote]Terror_K wrote...

[quote]Phaedon wrote...

Your point was to try to show the error of my ways by being hypocritical, yourself? That's interesting.

Especially since hypocrisy destroys your point completely.[/quote]

More to make an exception in your case.[/quote]
Yup, I'm quoting my post there. I'll keep quoting it until you reply to it, or ultimately accept it.

[quote]Not everybody. Just those who pretty much never have a bad thing to say about ME2 and ME3, and who always leap in to defend BioWare at every single turn. There are plenty of posters who disagree with me and have in the past who aren't complete tools.[/quote]
Despite the backtracking, I think we both agree that this point is beyond salvation:
[quote]That's rich coming from one of the main people responsible from turning this thread away from the point and into "Terror is complaining, let's just rag on him because he doesn't suck the BioWare phallus."[/quote]
You seem rather convinced that everyone disagrees with you for not being a Biodrone, which shows that you consider them as Biodrones themselves.

I, on the other hand, am pretty convinced that people either don't share the same feelings as you do, or see that your original post doesn't have a single bit of logic in it. And that's condemnable, seeing as you posted this thread in "Mass Effect 3 General Discussion".




[quote]The only ones that are responsible for how such threads develop are those who make them that way. You can't blame me for all the inane posts that follow. [/quote]
I can, I have and I will.

No, I am not even pulling a snowball effect here. You can't expect to see nothing but inane posts as a response to a rant. You don't encourage discussion?  Actual discussion won't follow. As I said, trolls are held accountable for what they create. Why not you, who actually holds those beliefs?

[quote]
And don't act like it's not as common in every third thread or so, regardless of whether it's one I started. [/quote]
I don't act. I know that this community is capable of more intelligent discussions than the ones you attempt at initiating.

[quote]I admit to making the occasional post and even thread when I'm angry that is largely a vent of frustration, yes. I do not, however, admit to every single thread or post of mine, or even a majority of them, being this way. Are you honestly telling me that you've never got angry and something and wanted to get it off your chest?[/quote]
All of your posts? I suppose not. The majority? Well, yes, I believe so, which is why I consider this a constant behavior. Most of the threads you create have the stigma of a rant in them.

You want to know if I snap? If I snapped every couple of weeks, then I'd have serious maturity issues. Yes, I do occasionally snap. Do I have friends, relatives or just passer bys shout at because I feel the need to throw a tantrum. No, I don't. I'm a somewhat responsible person, both in life and the internet. And I am not special or even generally that mature.

But if I did, I'd understand why what I did was wrong, and I'd have the courage to step up and apologize. And for duck's sakes, I'd make sure I didn't do it again. That is not what you are doing. Stop doing that, -you don't even have to stop by and say sorry-, and I'll shut up.



[quote]Way to put words in my mouth. I merely agreed that I posted the initial topic. Just because you labeled it as an "unintelligent rant" doesn't mean I agree with that. While it was somewhat a case of me venting my frustration at the revelation, it had merit behind it, IMO. It wasn't just mindless and done for the sake of bashing BioWare. I was annoyed by what I saw and felt the need to express that. That doesn't make the points any less valid.
[/quote]
Wow, nice.

[quote]
I admit to making the occasional post and even thread when I'm angry that is largely a vent of frustration, yes. I do not, however, admit to every single thread or post of mine, or even a majority of them, being this way. Are you honestly telling me that you've never got angry and something and wanted to get it off your chest? [/quote]

[Wulfram]

Well, apparently you don't have to do much scanning to get the best ending

https://twitter.com/...446063930359808

so I guess you can just get on and do other things if it bores you.

[Fredvdp]

Isn't the scanning for weapon upgrades anyway? That shouldn't affect the storyline, just your combat efficiency. I think the system looks pretty neat.

[Phaedon]

Fredvdp wrote...

Isn't the scanning for weapon upgrades anyway? That shouldn't affect the storyline, just your combat efficiency. I think the system looks pretty neat.

It provides War Assets, also, but of minor importance, I believe.

Modifié par Phaedon, 26 février 2012 - 12:09 .

[Terror_K]

Phaedon wrote...

You seem rather convinced that everyone disagrees with you for not being a Biodrone, which shows that you consider them as Biodrones themselves.

No. Just that certain "Biodrones" (as you call them) seem to like to jump on BioWare's defense wagon even more than I am willing to criticise them. It's merely the instigators and those who jump in with nothing beyond attacks on those who attacked BioWare at every turn that fit the bill. Again, plenty of people on this board have disagreed with me in the past and I don't think them tools and can respect their difference of opinions.

I, on the other hand, am pretty convinced that people either don't share the same feelings as you do, or see that your original post doesn't have a single bit of logic in it. And that's condemnable, seeing as you posted this thread in "Mass Effect 3 General Discussion".

Not true. There are, for example, quite a few posters who have agreed on flying the Normandy around again as being stupid, even if they don't agree with me as a whole. I fully admit the original post didn't take the best route to get the points across, but the points aren't invalidated automatically by that, even if you think they are. Or do you honestly believe every rant and vent ever was completely devoid of merit or substance?

[BatmanPWNS]

You know when the thread is made by Terror_K, it's gonna be a complaint thread.

[FluffyScarf]

Only 11 pages too. Since we all thought TK died, it's a surprise this hasn't reached 20.