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[AlanC9]

Tazzmission wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So we've got space exploration, but not planet exploration, right?

um did you even listen to what the guy at ign says. he said you can still land by scanning

I guess I missed that. I assumed we could, but I didn't hear him actually say "land." Any idea where that is in the video?

By not having planet exploration, I only meant that we don't actually drive around the planets exploring them; we look at them from orbit and land where there's something interesting.

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 février 2012 - 09:35 .

[hawat333]

Tazzmission wrote...

the mako was fine ( for me at least) imo and just mine alone is that the exploration in me1 couldve been alot better when it comes to the planets.

its still fun dont get me wrong but they couldve done some little puzzle games with certain things

Yeah, some little things, puzzles and more lore to find would have improved it, I think. But we are past that. N7 missions, or at least most of them are fun, but I liked driving that little beast around.

[Tazzmission]

AlanC9 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So we've got space exploration, but not planet exploration, right?

um did you even listen to what the guy at ign says. he said you can still land by scanning

I guess I missed that. I assumed we could, but I didn't hear him actually say "land." Any idea where that is in the video?

By not having planet exploration, I only meant that we don't actually drive around the planets exploring them; we look at them from orbit and land where there's something interesting.

from the video when you do the scan you can see a rescue ops label pop up saying 1 of many


he also stated just by doing the scanning you can land but didnt show it

[AlanC9]

teh_619 wrote...


How is that exploring? That's pac man with a space backround and in 3D.

You're going from planet to planet and discovering what's on it. That's exploration. 

[Chris Priestly]

teh_619 wrote...

You're willingly ignoring the fact that Bioware just removed planet exploration and didn't even try to improve on it.
Just that is a reason to criticize.

We did improve on planet scanning from ME2 to ME3. That was what was being discussed here. That was what I commented on. You can start criticizing the lack of superheroes, ham sandwiches and DDR elements as well if you are going to use this thread to criticize things that are also not included in planet scanning. I just thought we were discussing planet scanning.

Yes yes: "What? No superheroes, ham sandwiches, DDR elements, preorder cancelled". Nothing tired about that yet.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 26 février 2012 - 09:37 .

[tobynator89]

teh_619 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...
You're in space. There's nothing else you need. When you're in space, you explore and/or you have fights in it DAMN IT

An actual argument would be nice here. All you've been saying is ITS SPACE DAMMIT SPACE AND IF ITS A SPACE GAME ITS SUPPOSED TO HAVE SPACE EXPLORATION WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME!!!!

Welcome to the series.
May I inform you that we had space exploration on ME1.
Alright bye.

Yep. We did. I thought it was a bad idea in ME1, and said so at the time. ME2 and ME3 are doing better by at least trying to give RP reasons to do the exploration.

Still looking for that argument.

Argument for what?
The "argument" YOU make is that they removed it because it was implemented poorly.

I'm saying I want it back and improved.

Thing is, the planet exploration in ME1 took up a huge amout of resources even with all the cut and paste interiors. You could tell that by the main quest suffered for it seeing as it had way less content than ME2 in comparison. I mean you could finish ME1 in 3 hours if you wanted to.

[Tazzmission]

Chris Priestly wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

You're willingly ignoring the fact that Bioware just removed planet exploration and didn't even try to improve on it.
Just that is a reason to criticize.

We did improve on planet scanning from ME2 to ME3. That was what was being discussed here. That was what I commented on. You can start criticizing the lack of superheroes, ham sandwiches and DDR elements as well if you are going to use this thread to criticize things that are also not included in planet scanning. I just thought we were discussing planet scanning.

Yes yes: "What? No superheroes, ham sandwiches, DDR elements, preorder cancelled". Nothing tired about that yet.

i like superheros 

[RoboticWater]

teh_619 wrote...
Argument for what?
The "argument" YOU make is that they removed it because it was implemented poorly.

I'm saying I want it back and improved.

So far your argument is ME 1 had potential and could be improved.
-Why was ME1's exploration good?
-Why was it bad?
-How can those bad things be improved?
-Why are the ME2 missions not good?
-What can ME1's missions learn from ME2's if anything?

You do have an argument but just not one that is well defended (unless you have a post containing this information that I just missed)

[Guywhoiam]

I like the new scanning system. Especially the part when the Reapers try and eat your face.

[Poison_Berrie]

teh_619 wrote...

"but that exploration doesn't have anything to do with the Mass Effect situation and storyline"

You're in space. There's nothing else you need. When you're in space, you explore and/or you have fights in it DAMN IT

You explore space, in your spaceship. 

You are talking about planetary exploration. 
Now I wouldn't mind seeing some surface exploration return, but this really isn't the game to put the proper focus on that.
In ME 1 we got empty random height-maps, with bland and sometimes terrible textures and beautifull skyboxes. Plenty of people didn't like that (I know I didn't like it). We can't expect them to focus on making large explorable, yet diverse and properly designed maps for a boat load of planets. Even a map for a simple mission probably takes more time than we think. 
The focus of the game lies not on this and though I wouldn't mind encounter a few places where we are free to roam across part of a planetary surface, we can't expect them to bring you the level of ME 1 exploration with the ME 2 polish on level design.

[AlanC9]

Tazzmission wrote...

from the video when you do the scan you can see a rescue ops label pop up saying 1 of many

Am I looking at a different video? The one I'm looking at he finds some Javelin missiles.

[teh_619]

Tazzmission wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

BlahDog wrote...

And we didn't in ME2 becasue ME1's exploration wasn't very good.

Most of the complaints were about the Mako to be honest. And the Mako wasn't even bad. The terrain (apart from a few example) was rough... although you could always find a path. Some of the players didn't even try, and there they came complaining: "the Mako suxccssksk!!!114441". Well, the terrain or the design could be better, or a bit more obvious about the intended track (no arrows like in Overlord though, that's just being dull), and I think there wouldn't be that many negative comments about exploration.
And a bit clumsy exploration is still better than no exploration, at least in my books.

the mako was fine ( for me at least) imo and just mine alone is that the exploration in me1 couldve been alot better when it comes to the planets.

its still fun dont get me wrong but they couldve done some little puzzle games with certain things

They had to do 2 things to make it actually decent:

-Improve those crazy physics. Hammerhead is a nice alternative.
-Add content to the planets surface. Alien trees, caves, lakes, seas, lush environments, wild life, resources guarded by powerful natural hunters and monsters, actual RUINS of civilization!

There's so much potential I don't even know where to stop. You can make the galaxy feel alive.

Right now it's just a quiet empty thing with some stuff here and there. Make the galaxy intereseting and we might actually care if the reapers try to destroy it.

Modifié par teh_619, 26 février 2012 - 09:44 .

[Sith_exar_kun]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Huh. I didn't dislike the ME2 scanning, but I do think the ME3 scanning is FAR better.

The planet scanning is now much faster (a common complaint of ME2 scanning was the repitition as you tried to find the richest veins of minerals). It has direct effect on galaxy at war assets and/or plots/stories on the Citadel. And the scanning between planets adds a large degree of danger due to Reaper attack.

Still, make up your mind because you haven't actually tried it yet. That's what the BSN is for, snap judgements based on incomplete detail. :innocent:

Ranting about the unknown is the favourite sport around here! (Canceling preorders is the second fav).

[Tazzmission]

AlanC9 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

from the video when you do the scan you can see a rescue ops label pop up saying 1 of many

Am I looking at a different video? The one I'm looking at he finds some Javelin missiles.

its the same video. i believe its after the javelin missles because he visits two hot spots in the same system

Modifié par Tazzmission, 26 février 2012 - 09:42 .

[Arcadian Legend]

No ham sandwiches?


NUUUUUUUUUUU...

[AlphaJarmel]

I think the distinction needs to be made as people are arguing two separate things. The first thing is that planet scanning doesn't equal exploration in of itself. Planet scanning is by default better just because it's less of a timesink. Now exploration seems mainly in regards to vehicles is somewhat unknown by looking to be a no.

Now there are issues with the new planet scanning but the freeroam issue is separate.

The reason this thread is a mess is that in ME1, exploration and freeroam were linked.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 26 février 2012 - 09:46 .

[teh_619]

Chris Priestly wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

You're willingly ignoring the fact that Bioware just removed planet exploration and didn't even try to improve on it.
Just that is a reason to criticize.

We did improve on planet scanning from ME2 to ME3. That was what was being discussed here. That was what I commented on. You can start criticizing the lack of superheroes, ham sandwiches and DDR elements as well if you are going to use this thread to criticize things that are also not included in planet scanning. I just thought we were discussing planet scanning.

Yes yes: "What? No superheroes, ham sandwiches, DDR elements, preorder cancelled". Nothing tired about that yet.

None of the above were in the series and I don't care about them. Nobody does.
Planet exploration was though.
You didn't improve on it. You removed it.

[Tazzmission]

teh_619 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

You're willingly ignoring the fact that Bioware just removed planet exploration and didn't even try to improve on it.
Just that is a reason to criticize.

We did improve on planet scanning from ME2 to ME3. That was what was being discussed here. That was what I commented on. You can start criticizing the lack of superheroes, ham sandwiches and DDR elements as well if you are going to use this thread to criticize things that are also not included in planet scanning. I just thought we were discussing planet scanning.

Yes yes: "What? No superheroes, ham sandwiches, DDR elements, preorder cancelled". Nothing tired about that yet.

None of the above were in the series and I don't care about them. Nobody does.
Planet exploration was though.
You didn't improve on it. You removed it.

explain how they removed it? have you played the game yourself? if not shut up and dont make wild assumptions

[teh_619]

Sith_exar_kun wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Huh. I didn't dislike the ME2 scanning, but I do think the ME3 scanning is FAR better.

The planet scanning is now much faster (a common complaint of ME2 scanning was the repitition as you tried to find the richest veins of minerals). It has direct effect on galaxy at war assets and/or plots/stories on the Citadel. And the scanning between planets adds a large degree of danger due to Reaper attack.

Still, make up your mind because you haven't actually tried it yet. That's what the BSN is for, snap judgements based on incomplete detail. :innocent:

Ranting about the unknown is the favourite sport around here! (Canceling preorders is the second fav).

Sucking up seems to be the strong point.

[teh_619]

Tazzmission wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

You're willingly ignoring the fact that Bioware just removed planet exploration and didn't even try to improve on it.
Just that is a reason to criticize.

We did improve on planet scanning from ME2 to ME3. That was what was being discussed here. That was what I commented on. You can start criticizing the lack of superheroes, ham sandwiches and DDR elements as well if you are going to use this thread to criticize things that are also not included in planet scanning. I just thought we were discussing planet scanning.

Yes yes: "What? No superheroes, ham sandwiches, DDR elements, preorder cancelled". Nothing tired about that yet.

None of the above were in the series and I don't care about them. Nobody does.
Planet exploration was though.
You didn't improve on it. You removed it.

explain how they removed it? have you played the game yourself? if not shut up and dont make wild assumptions

Where in ME2 did you see planet exploration?

[AlanC9]

teh_619 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...
You're in space. There's nothing else you need. When you're in space, you explore and/or you have fights in it DAMN IT

An actual argument would be nice here. All you've been saying is ITS SPACE DAMMIT SPACE AND IF ITS A SPACE GAME ITS SUPPOSED TO HAVE SPACE EXPLORATION WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME!!!!

Welcome to the series.
May I inform you that we had space exploration on ME1.
Alright bye.

Yep. We did. I thought it was a bad idea in ME1, and said so at the time. ME2 and ME3 are doing better by at least trying to give RP reasons to do the exploration.

Still looking for that argument.

Argument for what?
The "argument" YOU make is that they removed it because it was implemented poorly.

Argument? I thought that was just a fact. I mean, it'd be nice if Bio agreed with me that planet exploration should never have even been attempted in ME1, but I agree that it was probably only removed because it turned out to be boring. Anyway, I don't particularly care why Bio imporved exploration in ME2, only that they did.

I'm saying I want it back and improved.

For me, removing it is an improvement. Shepard's got a job to do, and that job has nothing to do with driving around barren planets mining useless minerals and scavenging crashed space probes.

ME3 seems to be keeping everything that was good about ME exploration while dropping all the bad parts.

You disagree. So make a case. Why should Shepard be driving around barren planets mining useless minerals and scavenging crashed space probes?

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 février 2012 - 09:46 .

[Tazzmission]

teh_619 wrote...

Sith_exar_kun wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Huh. I didn't dislike the ME2 scanning, but I do think the ME3 scanning is FAR better.

The planet scanning is now much faster (a common complaint of ME2 scanning was the repitition as you tried to find the richest veins of minerals). It has direct effect on galaxy at war assets and/or plots/stories on the Citadel. And the scanning between planets adds a large degree of danger due to Reaper attack.

Still, make up your mind because you haven't actually tried it yet. That's what the BSN is for, snap judgements based on incomplete detail. :innocent:

Ranting about the unknown is the favourite sport around here! (Canceling preorders is the second fav).

Sucking up seems to be the strong point.

oh yea im such a suck up my lips are so chapped from kissing so much of biowares butt i need chapstick:innocent:


ps. thats sarcasim if you dont understand such a thing

[Arch1eviathan]

Chris Priestly wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

You're willingly ignoring the fact that Bioware just removed planet exploration and didn't even try to improve on it.
Just that is a reason to criticize.

We did improve on planet scanning from ME2 to ME3. That was what was being discussed here. That was what I commented on. You can start criticizing the lack of superheroes, ham sandwiches and DDR elements as well if you are going to use this thread to criticize things that are also not included in planet scanning. I just thought we were discussing planet scanning.

Yes yes: "What? No superheroes, ham sandwiches, DDR elements, preorder cancelled". Nothing tired about that yet.

No ham? Preorder cancelled! D:<

[Tazzmission]

teh_619 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

You're willingly ignoring the fact that Bioware just removed planet exploration and didn't even try to improve on it.
Just that is a reason to criticize.

We did improve on planet scanning from ME2 to ME3. That was what was being discussed here. That was what I commented on. You can start criticizing the lack of superheroes, ham sandwiches and DDR elements as well if you are going to use this thread to criticize things that are also not included in planet scanning. I just thought we were discussing planet scanning.

Yes yes: "What? No superheroes, ham sandwiches, DDR elements, preorder cancelled". Nothing tired about that yet.

None of the above were in the series and I don't care about them. Nobody does.
Planet exploration was though.
You didn't improve on it. You removed it.

explain how they removed it? have you played the game yourself? if not shut up and dont make wild assumptions

Where in ME2 did you see planet exploration?

:facepalm:

whats your definition of planet exploration?

you have this whole board telling you your wrong and yet you still believe your opinion is the one that really matters so enlighten me smart guy

[teh_619]

AlanC9 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...
You're in space. There's nothing else you need. When you're in space, you explore and/or you have fights in it DAMN IT

An actual argument would be nice here. All you've been saying is ITS SPACE DAMMIT SPACE AND IF ITS A SPACE GAME ITS SUPPOSED TO HAVE SPACE EXPLORATION WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME!!!!

Welcome to the series.
May I inform you that we had space exploration on ME1.
Alright bye.

Yep. We did. I thought it was a bad idea in ME1, and said so at the time. ME2 and ME3 are doing better by at least trying to give RP reasons to do the exploration.

Still looking for that argument.

Argument for what?
The "argument" YOU make is that they removed it because it was implemented poorly.

Argument? I thought that was just a fact. I mean, it'd be nice if Bio agreed with me that planet exploration should never have even been attempted in ME1, but I agree that it was probably only removed because it turned out to be boring. Anyway, I don't particularly care why Bio imporved exploration in ME2, only that they did.

I'm saying I want it back and improved.

For me, removing it is an improvement. Shepards got a job to do, and that job has nothing to do with driving around barren planets mining useless minerals and scavenging crashed space probes.

ME3 seems to be keeping everything that was good about ME exploration while dropping all the bad parts.

You disagree. So make a case. Why should Shepard be driving around barren planets mining useless minerals and scavenging crashed space probes?

Read my post up there.
And I'd like to add: GAMEPLAY.
If I just wanted to attack things and talk to people I can just do that in DA.

That's the difference between ME and DA.

SPACE.

Do something decent with it for god's sake.