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xHarrison23 wrote...

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I'm not pleased with the direction they took with this project, so I'm waiting on reviews before I commit to buying. If DA3 captures my attention, I'll still wait for extensive reviews. Bioware as a whole is not a developer I'm too pleased with any longer. Valve, Bethesda, Obsidiain, CDPR are developers that warrant attention when they develop a new game, and have earned it.

I wouldn't consider Obsidian a trusted studio IMO. They only leech on to sequels of successful titles and their own IP such as Alpha Protocal have tanked badly.


I said their work warrants attention. Meaning when they announce a project it's worth checking out. Also I think AP was an ambitious game that fell victim to Sega's deadline puch and limited budget. I love it with all of the bugs it has.

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Just wondering how many people still consider Bioware one of their 'safe' developers in light of all this ME3 fallout and how that is going to impact sales on future projects away from their typical genre?

Guess I'm a little worried about what happens if C&C bombs. Bioware gets re-branded EA North?

I think EA is very happy to remain a publisher and not the owner of BW.  I still consider BW safe, but would consider them profiteering at the behest of EA. I really wanted to get KOTOR but $80 and a $15 monthly was asking way too much. So I won't be joining my cousin in the game (whom is my usual partner in crime on MMOs). He is loving the game and tells me constantly that he misses me for not enjoying it with him. So ME3 is possibly my last BW game I buy, simply because I can't justify monthies and costly DLCs.

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I don't blindly buy every game from developers I like. For instance, I don't like MMOs. So I will never buy The Old Republic even though Bioware made it. But I still see Bioware as a great developer. I don't have a problem with any of the ME3 "controversies".

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So far, I still consider BioWare a safe developer to go with. I don't judge them when it comes to DA2 because my friend gave it (and a ton of other games) as payment for a loan he couldn't pay back.


So now he owes you even more, huh?

Nope. Got Skyrim, AC: Revelations, Uncharted 1-3, Morrowind GotY(PC); about 20 other great games (including the N64 and PS1 games) and one decent one (DA2 lol). He was the one who decided to put so many games as collateral if he was six months late paying me back;

DA2 has a lot of problems, but it is still at least decent. I wasn't planning on even getting it since I knew it wasn't even close to DAO

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android654 wrote...

xHarrison23 wrote...

android654 wrote...

I'm not pleased with the direction they took with this project, so I'm waiting on reviews before I commit to buying. If DA3 captures my attention, I'll still wait for extensive reviews. Bioware as a whole is not a developer I'm too pleased with any longer. Valve, Bethesda, Obsidiain, CDPR are developers that warrant attention when they develop a new game, and have earned it.

I wouldn't consider Obsidian a trusted studio IMO. They only leech on to sequels of successful titles and their own IP such as Alpha Protocal have tanked badly.


I said their work warrants attention. Meaning when they announce a project it's worth checking out. Also I think AP was an ambitious game that fell victim to Sega's deadline puch and limited budget. I love it with all of the bugs it has.

I do agree that their work warrants attention. Even if it's just picking up a sequel, you know they are working on an ambitious title. And I agree Alpha Protocol had an amazing potential it just failed to meet expectations most likly, like many games today, the publisher rushed the release (BF3.....)

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The bioware making the C&C game isn't the same bioware. And no amount of ****y people will sway my opinion on Bioware as a company. If ME3 some how turns out to be completely horrible then i'll lose some respect for them. But I don't see that happening.

Edit: From what i've seen of Mass Effect 3, its shaping up to be a hell of a game and I can't wait to start playing it. Naysayers be damned.


I'm sure its a great game if I was convinced it was all there.

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 Although they still can pull out SWTOR, it's an MMO with constant updates after all.


Because updating an MMO after having a bad first 2 months has worked SO WELL for other MMOs right?


Well, they had a good start, actually. At least in terms of suscriber numbers. My personal gripes, which caused me to unsuscribe, are with other factors in the gameplay, so my opinion may be irrelevant, if enough other people stay on as suscribers.

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I'll be 100% honest. I'm not sure how much I'll continue to spend on Bioware. I enjoyed ME1+2 and DA:O very much (Easily 3 of the greatest RPG's I've ever played). I haven't played DA2, but everyone seems to treat it liked the aborted brother of the bunch. The ME3 demo didn't really impress me (Technical problems more than anything), but the MP is very good. Better than I had expected.

There are a good number of things I either disagree with or outright despise from the story leaks, as well.

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Another point to make about the DLC pushback, keep in mind EA is the one probably pushing for the DLC. They are funding the whole operation. So Bioware is only doing what it can do, listen to the boss.

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xHarrison23 wrote...

android654 wrote...

I'm not pleased with the direction they took with this project, so I'm waiting on reviews before I commit to buying. If DA3 captures my attention, I'll still wait for extensive reviews. Bioware as a whole is not a developer I'm too pleased with any longer. Valve, Bethesda, Obsidiain, CDPR are developers that warrant attention when they develop a new game, and have earned it.

I wouldn't consider Obsidian a trusted studio IMO. They only leech on to sequels of successful titles and their own IP such as Alpha Protocal have tanked badly.


What leeching?
Are you refereing to New Vegas?  The game that is considered by most to be better than FO3?  You know obsidion is made up of people who worked on the original Fallouts right?

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LCD Dave N7 wrote...

Just wondering how many people still consider Bioware one of their 'safe' developers in light of all this ME3 fallout and how that is going to impact sales on future projects away from their typical genre?

Guess I'm a little worried about what happens if C&C bombs. Bioware gets re-branded EA North?


Bioware is just a brand.  DA2 and the shoehorned features in ME3 make that quite clear,  nevermind the fact that EA just keeps buying studios and calling them all Bioware.

Fallout? Sales?

Lol. Bring this up again in a month when EA reveals its earnings.


You probably don't want to go there.  EA sold 10 million copies of Battlefield 3 and another 2 million of TOR,  and posted a 270 million dollar loss.  A couple million copies of ME3 isn't going to do anything impressive.

They're the goldenboy at EA right now - I think EA has learnt that too much involvement in their studios IP's is damaging - and I think BioWare has a lot more Freedom than what Westwood and Origin had.


1.  DA2 was because of EA involvement.

2.  Multiplayer and the DLC is because of EA and "Project $10".

EA's quite involved.

Well, instead of buying into what you read on the forums, you may want to do some research. Pre-orders for ME3 are already several hundred thousand more than ME2, and the first review of ME3 released today is rated higher than ME1 and 2 (Gamestar: http://social.biowar...-9459637-1.html).


You may want to do some research.  Those numbers you're quoting?  They come from a site that refuses to explain how it gets it's numbers,  and is well known for changing it's numbers to match the NPD reports when they release.  Gamasutra,  the mecca of gaming developers,  basically says they're full of it.

In other words,  you're quoting made up numbers.

From what I have seen in terms of a potential disappointing game, no way. There hasn't been any significant changes that are game changing and the addition of a multiplayer mode will attract far more people then those who are disappointed.

Me3 in no way will be a downfall of Bioware,


1.  Do you really think a handful of co-op missions is going to attract tens of millions of shooter fans?  Really?  I doubt highly they're going to buy a type of game they don't like to play a handfull of co-op missions.

2.  DA2's failure,  TOR's poor performance (And likely failure),  and theoretical failure of ME3 would be the downfall.

Uh there are a million console versions of this came pre-ordered right now and an uncountable amount of PC physical media and digital distribution pre-orders as well. Its likely there are two million copies of this game pre-ordered as of this time.

As I said somewhere else, the problems people seem to have with games and game developers don't generally stem from games being bad or game developers being bad, but from Western society, as a whole, being raised on disposable culture, and thus, having no valid reference in regards to true value, no experience that a game can provide you with will be valuable.

In short the Western market is unsatisfiable because its never had to even contemplate a situation where they might have to entertain themselves by drawing pictures in the dirt with a stick. So everyone is a critic, and everyone has an opinion and all of the opinions are, well, invalid, because they're all based in a lack of comprehension of true value.

What BioWare does is magic. Plain and simple. And an estimated two million pre-orders for ME3 isn't too shabby, especially with the RD push back and all.


1.  VGChartz numbers are made up.

2.  The "Whining" is because of a series of poor decisions that do not make for a better game.  Like implementing Online Pass and tieing it to winning the game,  and Day 1 DLC.  It has nothing to do with "Western society" and everything to do with designing the game around a buisness plan instead of designing a great game.

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xHarrison23 wrote...

Another point to make about the DLC pushback, keep in mind EA is the one probably pushing for the DLC. They are funding the whole operation. So Bioware is only doing what it can do, listen to the boss.


I would be more sympathetic if people like David Gaider and Jeffier Hepler weren't arrogent asses

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TwistedComplex wrote...

xHarrison23 wrote...

Another point to make about the DLC pushback, keep in mind EA is the one probably pushing for the DLC. They are funding the whole operation. So Bioware is only doing what it can do, listen to the boss.


I would be more sympathetic if people like David Gaider and Jeffier Hepler weren't arrogent asses


That's hilarious, given the harassment of Hepler by so-called fans who, clearly, provoked the woman beyond belief by the time of the Twitter incident. What do you call those people, shining paragons of virtue and civility?

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That's hilarious, given the harassment of Hepler by so-called fans who, clearly, provoked the woman beyond belief by the time of the Twitter incident. What do you call those people, shining paragons of virtue and civility?


You're right they're just "Jelous they don't have a vagina and a job in the industry"

We're all enveous of Jennifers womanhood and fanfic level writing

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VGChartz numbers are made up? So thats why they pull in so much ad revenue? Christ and I've been wasting my php/HTML5/ajax/smarty/SQL skills doing legitimate work? Man I gotta get me a piece of that "making **** up" pie.

Uh you've had an "online pass" since the Cerberus Network. Every BioWare game for the last five years has had day 1 DLC.

And none of that is stopping ME3 from being a great game.

They are mole hills for the terminally unsatisfiable to make mountains of, nothing more.

My ME and ME2 are on Steam but I can't get ME3 on Steam, shall I cry about it? No, I'll just get it where I need to get it and play it, cause regardless of whatever minor gaffes have occurred that doesn't mean ME3 isn't going to be a great game.

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VGChartz numbers are made up? So thats why they pull in so much ad revenue? Christ and I've been wasting my php/HTML5/ajax/smarty/SQL skills doing legitimate work? Man I gotta get me a piece of that "making **** up" pie.

Uh you've had an "online pass" since the Cerberus Network. Every BioWare game for the last five years has had day 1 DLC.

And none of that is stopping ME3 from being a great game.

They are mole hills for the terminally unsatisfiable to make mountains of, nothing more.

My ME and ME2 are on Steam but I can't get ME3 on Steam, shall I cry about it? No, I'll just get it where I need to get it and play it, cause regardless of whatever minor gaffes have occurred that doesn't mean ME3 isn't going to be a great game.


VGchartz is accurate?!

Damn, SWTOR is doing worse than i thought

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TwistedComplex wrote...

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That's hilarious, given the harassment of Hepler by so-called fans who, clearly, provoked the woman beyond belief by the time of the Twitter incident. What do you call those people, shining paragons of virtue and civility?


You're right they're just "Jelous they don't have a vagina and a job in the industry"

We're all enveous of Jennifers womanhood and fanfic level writing


Yeah, that comment of hers wasn't because "fans" had been acting like complete a-------s for months or anything - nope! Verbal abuse and harassment is a-ok, and every employee at a gaming company should put up with it. *sarcasm*

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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

That's hilarious, given the harassment of Hepler by so-called fans who, clearly, provoked the woman beyond belief by the time of the Twitter incident. What do you call those people, shining paragons of virtue and civility?


You're right they're just "Jelous they don't have a vagina and a job in the industry"

We're all enveous of Jennifers womanhood and fanfic level writing


Yeah, that comment of hers wasn't because "fans" had been acting like complete a-------s for months or anything - nope! Verbal abuse and harassment is a-ok, and every employee at a gaming company should put up with it. *sarcasm*


Dammit am I going to have to cancell 5 more pre-orders on Hepler's behalf?

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Yeah, that comment of hers wasn't because "fans" had been acting like complete a-------s for months or anything - nope! Verbal abuse and harassment is a-ok, and every employee at a gaming company should put up with it. *sarcasm*


YOU TELL EM GIRLFRIEND!!!

Don't let those nerds hate on your vagina!

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TwistedComplex wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

That's hilarious, given the harassment of Hepler by so-called fans who, clearly, provoked the woman beyond belief by the time of the Twitter incident. What do you call those people, shining paragons of virtue and civility?


You're right they're just "Jelous they don't have a vagina and a job in the industry"

We're all enveous of Jennifers womanhood and fanfic level writing


No matter what my opinions are of BW or the direction they've chosen to take, it's really f**ked up for anyone to think it's cool or justified to harass someone like Hepler got harassed for having an opinion. She said what she said to the people who were harassin her, and to call her arrogant is disgusting.

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Rockworm503 wrote...

xHarrison23 wrote...

android654 wrote...

I'm not pleased with the direction they took with this project, so I'm waiting on reviews before I commit to buying. If DA3 captures my attention, I'll still wait for extensive reviews. Bioware as a whole is not a developer I'm too pleased with any longer. Valve, Bethesda, Obsidiain, CDPR are developers that warrant attention when they develop a new game, and have earned it.

I wouldn't consider Obsidian a trusted studio IMO. They only leech on to sequels of successful titles and their own IP such as Alpha Protocal have tanked badly.


What leeching?
Are you refereing to New Vegas?  The game that is considered by most to be better than FO3?  You know obsidion is made up of people who worked on the original Fallouts right?

Dungeon Seige 3, New Vegas, KOTOR 2, and South Park: the Game are all unorginal IPs. There is no doubt they can design fairly well but in terms of creating their own IP they faulter. Therefore I wouldn't hold them in as of high regards such as Bethesda with Elder Scrolls or Bioware with ME. Creating such big game universes takes some real talent and making it play well with the story is hard.

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Can someone point me in the direction of what happened to Jennifer Hepler?

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I don't get it, does this 'Hepler' having a vagina mean I SHOULD get C&C or not?

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Can someone point me in the direction of what happened to Jennifer Hepler?


http://www.ripten.co...ennifer-hepler/

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As far as I'm concerned neither side is right.
No one should act like that to anyone period.
But she sure didn't help things my turning into a sexist thing.