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[Maria Caliban]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Dude, it was awful. They removed your Warden completely. Why? What did your Grey Warden ever do to warrent his removal from the entire game?

Do you also think that Skyrim, Dues Ex: Human Revolution, all the Fallouts after 1, and KotOR 2 are 'awful?'

Because they are all in the same setting yet use a different protagonist.

Grey Wardens exist to fight the Blight. The Warden defeated the Archdemon. Whatever made you think that you'd continue to play the Warden when there is no Blight?

[Arppis]

Chewin3 wrote...

Arppis wrote...
I liked him a lot.

I played him like this guy who doesn't take anything seriously. It was pretty fantastic. Also what's great about DA2 is that you can't always win.

I wish I had the patience to rewrite all the long posts I wrote on BSN as to why Hawke is an imbecile and why a "rise to power" never occurred (rather, it was a stumbling on fame). And ends the mage/Templar threat? Thedas is in war because of the mage / templar threat. He doesn't end anything, nor does he start anything.

The marketing phrase was pretty silly and didn't really happen, unless you supported Templars. And you don't have to justify your views, I respect them just fine. I just wanted to say that I quite liked that

But it's because he's flawed and didn't end anything in the end, I liked it. I don't always want that "save the cheerleader, save the world"-plot line. Too bad they had to end the game in cliffhanger, I wish it would have just solved issues in Kirkwall and then end, rather than turning to full out world war.

And you don't have to justify your views, I respect them just fine. I just wanted to say that I quite liked that in the game.

Modifié par Arppis, 26 février 2012 - 11:23 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I'm going to break character for this which is a shame because I've somehow done a really good job of convincing people I've been sincere instead of an obvious troll in recent days, but only idiots buy games from particular developers regardless of the context regarding the game. Even great developers can make colossal screw ups. Make an informed decision rather than blindly following certain studios because you happen to squee over some of the characters their games have.

Also, another side note: Fallout: New Vegas is the continuation of the original two Fallout games. Unlike Fallout 3 which took some factions of the originals, set it on the other side of the country and then built a new "universe" or region, New Vegas directly deals with the "world state" of the West Coast built up in Fallout 1/2 and uses many concepts and conflicts that were to be used in the Van Buren project, Black Isle's Fallout 3, before it got cancelled.

In regards as to whether BioWare is a safe developer or not, they've never been a safe developer in my book. The closest thing I have to a safe developer is Creative Assembly and they very nearly screwed the pooch with ETW.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 26 février 2012 - 11:26 .

[Chromie]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Dude, it was awful. They removed your Warden completely. Why? What did your Grey Warden ever do to warrent his removal from the entire game?

Do you also think that Skyrim, Dues Ex: Human Revolution, all the Fallouts after 1, and KotOR 2 are 'awful?'

Because they are all in the same setting yet use a different protagonist.

Grey Wardens exist to fight the Blight. The Warden defeated the Archdemon. Whatever made you think that you'd continue to play the Warden when there is no Blight?

Skyrim, Dues Ex: Human Revolution, all the Fallouts after 1 (FO3 is trash), and KotOR 2 didn't have a customizable character and suddenly change it in a sequel. 

[Arppis]

CrustyBot wrote...

I'm going to break character for this which is a shame because I've somehow done a really good job at it in recent days: only idiots buy games from particular developers regardless of the context regarding the game. Even great developers can make colossal screw ups. Make an informed decision rather than blindly following certain studios because you happen to squee over some of the characters their games have.

Also, another side note: Fallout: New Vegas is the continuation of the original two Fallout games. Unlike Fallout 3 which took some factions of the originals, set it on the other side of the country and then built a new "universe" or region, New Vegas directly deals with the "world state" of the West Coast built up in Fallout 1/2 and uses many concepts and conflicts that were to be used in the Van Buren project, Black Isle's Fallout 3, before it got cancelled.

In regards as to whether BioWare is a safe developer or not, they've never been a safe developer in my book. The closest thing I have to a safe developer is Creative Assembly and they very nearly screwed the pooch with ETW.

Well said.

[AkiKishi]

[quote]Moonshadow_Dark wrote...
So true. They won't even merge servers because of negative attention I bet. The "story" that Bioware was trying to do with Old Republic is NO enough or even good enough to make players forget that there is no content. Yes I said no content. Say what you will about WoW and its crap load of content Vanilla WoW took MONTHS to get to level 60 and this was their saving grace. Because it took months to get to 50 and even it took even more time to gear 40 people for raids players were busy. I managed to get to 50 really fast during my vacation. It's surprising how little to no grind there is. I never have to work for anything its just handed to me. With out the grind people reached the cap too fast and now they are bored with nothing to do.

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Ironically, the WoW squatters who left claimed they hated the easy leveling of Warcraft today. They then jumped ship when it became apparent that SWTOR had that easy grind and hopped back to WoW.

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I used to play EQ now that was a punishing game. A lot of people jumped that to go play WoW.

[Chewin]

Arppis wrote...
The marketing phrase was pretty silly and didn't really happen, unless you supported Templars. And you don't have to justify your views, I respect them just fine. I just wanted to say that I quite liked that

But it's because he's flawed and didn't end anything in the end, I liked it. I don't always want that "save the cheerleader, save the world"-plot line. Too bad they had to end the game in cliffhanger, I wish it would have just solved issues in Kirkwall and then end, rather than turning to full out world war.

And you don't have to justify your views, I respect them just fine. I just wanted to say that I quite liked that in the game.

And I respect that you respect my views, as do I to yours. Glad we could agree to disagree.

[Chromie]

BobSmith101 wrote...


I used to play EQ now that was a punishing game. A lot of people jumped that to go play WoW.

Ultima veteran get at me! Nothing like leaving poisoned filled food on the ground and letting people it and die. I found Burning Crusade during the Sunwell Patch to be the best WoW had ever been. Raids were still challenging, hell the hardest they have ever been and more people had the chance to experience the content and gear up. 

Edit: Look at what you guys have done to Crusty!

 

Modifié par Ringo12, 26 février 2012 - 11:32 .

[AkiKishi]

jreezy wrote...
I've heard some good things about Alpha Protocol, I do want to give that a try someday. I enjoyed what I played of FO: NV but I couldn't get into it too much. The 5 year old graphics kind of took me out of the experience so I couldn't finish it.

Storywise and character it's bloody awsome. You want choices that really matter, shades of grey that really make you think before you pull the trigger ? You got it!

Alongside clunky buggy and gernerally poorly designed levels. And some truly horrific scripted encounters. Yes Byako I'm talking about you.

That game really tears me in half

[Chromie]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jreezy wrote...
I've heard some good things about Alpha Protocol, I do want to give that a try someday. I enjoyed what I played of FO: NV but I couldn't get into it too much. The 5 year old graphics kind of took me out of the experience so I couldn't finish it.

Storywise and character it's bloody awsome. You want choices that really matter, shades of grey that really make you think before you pull the trigger ? You got it!

Alongside clunky buggy and gernerally poorly designed levels. And some truly horrific scripted encounters. Yes Byako I'm talking about you.

That game really tears me in half

What he said ^ just get yourself a controller it plays much better with one. It's also really cheap bought it for $2 on Steam.

[Slashout]

I used to buy Bioware games blindly (seriously, any game with Bioware on it, had my money going for it, I've got pretty much everything they did in the past 10 years probably more). Because even if I wasn't initially interested, I knew I would end up enjoying the game anyway.

But since Dragon age 2? Meh...
I didn't do a 180° turn. But I've never been disapointed by them until that game. So now, I am checking to make sure I like what I'm buying, I won't trust them blindly anymore.

So far most of ME3 seems to be good for me, most of the complains seems to be about ridiculous things in my eyes.
I'm worried about some stuff sure, like the fact that I read that at times your shepard answers without your input? But I'll wait and see in the game how this works out.

Modifié par Slashout, 26 février 2012 - 11:35 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Fighting Brayko was the single most enjoyable boss fight I've ever had.

[AkiKishi]

packardbell wrote...

Not saying it didn't have problems but when the same criticisms isn't being applied to other games suffering from similar problems its frankly ridiculous. 

You won't often find cases where things are so black and white. Or a game that does so much wrong in one package.

[AkiKishi]

CrustyBot wrote...

Fighting Brayko was the single most enjoyable boss fight I've ever had.

Are you a masochist ?

Granted a lot can change depending on the build , but having someone "teleport" in a game without a method is too much.

[Archer]

Im Happy with them. I admit i do get game rage with them sometimes but on the whole i trust what they are doing. I liked DA2, sure it had flaws (the biggest for me being recycled maps) but it was an enjoyable game. I like old republic, for a first time MMO from them i think its a quality game.

Despite a lot of feedback generaly saying the oposite i do believe they still stick to their mandate of listening to the players and community- just look at the up and coming patches coming for TOR. The majority of planned changes are actually a lot of stuff the community over there have been asking/ragedemanding/suggesting on the forum boards

I personaly dont have issues with DLC i believe it does extend the shelf life of a game, that said i do believe it was a mistake to make prothy a DLC character purely becasue of the importance of the character to the game lore and TBH that was the reason i pre ordered the collectors edition.

What concerns me is the level of input from EA. The fact we have to have Origin to play ME3 really annoys  me, especialy as there was a lot of negativity/concern over this months in advance of release. I really would like to believe this was an EA move rather than bioware.

To my mind its EA who are the big villains of the piece, not Bioware and as soon as i have completed my teams loyalty missions i shall be of to strike at the heart of EA

[Candidate 88766]

ME1 was great, ME2 was even better imo, and ME3 is shaping up to be phenomenal.

I never played the DA games, so they don't sway my opinion. I've played KotOR before and I thoroughly enjoyed it, so out of the Bioware games I've played they're easily one of my 'safe' developers.

Bioware are renowned not for making hardcore or old-school RPGs, but for their writing. Imo, ME1 showed they can create an amazing story, ME2 showed they could write amazing characters, and KotOR showed they could combine both in one game. That's why I play Bioware games, and ME3 looks to be the bets of the bunch based on what I've played in the demo and what I've read in the spoiler sections.

I'm a little apprehensive about Generals 2 - its a sequel to one of my favourite games of all time, being developed partly by the team that messed up the Tiberium franchise and partly by Bioware, who have no experience with RTS games. However, I have faith that they'll produce something worthy of the C&C franchise.

So along with Bungie and Valve, Bioware is one of the developers I consider to be a very safe bet with regards to making games that I'll enjoy.

And EA's influence doesn't change my opinion. I'm still bitter about Westwood studios, but at the same time EA took chances with things like Dead Space and Mirrors Edge, and rather than forcing franchises into rapid releases like Ubisoft or Activision, they give developers more time - case in point, BF3 took a lot longer to develop than, say, MW3, and the results speak for themselves.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 26 février 2012 - 11:56 .

[Rockworm503]

packardbell wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Ivoryhammer wrote...

Dansayshi wrote...

Im just wondering what new franchise Bioware will come up with.

After all ME3 is the last of the series, and they killed dragon age themselves with that abysmal sequel.

Dragon Age 2 was pretty good in my opinion, it doesn't deserve the hate it gets.

I don't even take all the criticisms seriously at this point. It sounds like everyone is just reiterating what they've heard.

DA2 deserves what it gets.  If it was good enough, it would at least have more supporters to detract from the people that dislike it.

Or it's just another case of bandwagon syndrome. Just like how everyone is praising Skyrim and hardly anyone is negative... when there are a lot of negative things about it, but hey opinions are fun.

Thats it when someone doesn't fit your opinion its bandwagon syndrome (first time I've heard it)
I am seriously struggling through a 2nd playthrough of DA2 yes I installed and started another playthrough because I thought I might be too harsh on it.
I wasn't I'll probably finish this last playthrough but here I am enjoy Skyrim to death.
Its just the bandwagon that I didn't even know I was on 

[Kilshrek]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Thats it when someone doesn't fit your opinion its bandwagon syndrome (first time I've heard it)
I am seriously struggling through a 2nd playthrough of DA2 yes I installed and started another playthrough because I thought I might be too harsh on it.
I wasn't I'll probably finish this last playthrough but here I am enjoy Skyrim to death.
Its just the bandwagon that I didn't even know I was on 

Throwing my hat in for Skyrim, it will never beat DA 2 on story (which isn't really saying much because DA 2's story shoe horned me in to Bioware's choices, not my own) and it may be buggier than an aphid infested plant, but I get so much more fun playing Skyrim than I ever did playing DA 2. I don't go "Where the flamingbbq did those punks come from?" "What the hell man a white lily? Mum don't go there!!1!" "Let's go to this ancient ruin, where everyone but my younger sibling is fine, otherwise they get shanghaied" and so on and so forth. In Skyrim I kill more dragons than the two dragon ages put together. I can also summon one.

[Tezlaa]

deadshame wrote...

The bioware making the C&C game isn't the same bioware. And no amount of ****y people will sway my opinion on Bioware as a company. If ME3 some how turns out to be completely horrible then i'll lose some respect for them. But I don't see that happening.

Edit: From what i've seen of Mass Effect 3, its shaping up to be a hell of a game and I can't wait to start playing it. Naysayers be damned.

[Tassigny]

The Mass Effect franchises is the best action/RPG series out yet, and juding by the very good sales, I expect Bioware to endure for a very long time.

[AllThatJazz]

I don't think there's any such thing as a 'safe' developer, and there certainly isn't one that's guaranteed my money. Have Bio made games I enjoy? Sure. Have they also made (and are they also making) games I'm not remotely interested in, or thought were rubbish? Yup. All devs are at home to Mr ****-up.

Take each and every game, by each and every developer on its own merits - read previews, play the demo, ask questions, don't ever assume that just because they've made something before that you had a strong opinion of, that every game they make will elicit the same feeling, good or bad. Placing 'trust' in people whose bottom line is profit (ie everyone in business) is a Bad Thing.

Also, buy Alpha Protocol. The good stuff outweighs the bad, if CRPGs are your thing. Very underrated.

Also, sad face at Crusty for having to break character. I like the CrustyTroll.

[lukex38]

i have three safe developers, bioware, bethesda, rockstar

[Arppis]

Chewin3 wrote...

And I respect that you respect my views, as do I to yours. Glad we could agree to disagree.

Me too.

By the way, I'll be checking Witcher 2 out when it comes to consoles. I hope they don't remove too much from it, I fear they'll censor the nude scenes or something. I mean... I don't REALLY care much of it, but I always found it strange that people find two nude people more disgusting than someone's head getting chopped off.

But I'm getting sidetracked now...

Modifié par Arppis, 26 février 2012 - 01:06 .

[Nodnol88]

I'll always keep a keen on eye on what they're developing. I'd love a true sequel or reboot to Baldur's Gate but DA kinda puts a stop to that dream (can't see them developing two fantasy RPGs franchises at once).

Nothing throughout ME3's development has swayed me.