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[AgitatedLemon]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Radical personality shift doesn't really begin to describe it. I guess Ashley and Kaidan becoming 1 character in ME2+3 didn't really do her any favors either.

They are not the same character, they are just mutualle exclusive. Do you really expect them to have the same dialogue tree but with a different voice actor? Based on what?

Both Kaidan and Ashley on Horizon say the same exact thing. The only difference being the words spoken. The message and tone is the exact same for both of them. It equates to "WTF Shepard, why didn't you ever call? You're a traitor! Cerberus could be kidnapping people!"

In ME3, this trend seems to have continued (Not going to spoil anything in-thread though)

[Weskerr]

Arppis wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

I dont see how she would ever find out. Simply kill your LI

How deliciously psychopathic.

"Seven minutes... Seven minutes is all I can spare to play with you!"

www.youtube.com/watch

Haha Thanks for the kudos to my favorite fictional villain.

[GuardianAngel470]

Yeah didn't like her personality in ME1 and I didn't like her reappearance in ME2. I also don't like her new look.

I just generally don't like the character. In fact, I sometimes romance her just to turn around and romance Tali to see what her reaction will be.

[AgitatedLemon]

SLPr0 wrote...

My distaste for Ashley's character aside. I often find these critical debates somewhat interesting.

Because I don't know that displaying women as empowered and equal to males in all ways means stripping away their feminine qualities.

Also all thats changed about Ashley here is her hairstyle. I'm not sure how long hair somehow degrades her in some way where shes being exploited as a sex object.

Its not like her armor is made of transparent body hugging latex or something. Shes got her hair down.

She isn't dressed like a nun. 

Ergo, SEX GODDESS!

[Legendaryred]

Luls, I don't like her character, i remember on ME1 during a mission debrief she was like "WHO PUT YOU IN CHARGE?" towards Liara. I was like "wut?" Plus she never helped me on ME2 and instead called me a brainwashed fool.

[Revan312]

I don't care what Ashley looks like, as long as it's not this.

[AgitatedLemon]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Yeah didn't like her personality in ME1 and I didn't like her reappearance in ME2. I also don't like her new look.

I just generally don't like the character. In fact, I sometimes romance her just to turn around and romance Tali to see what her reaction will be.

Funny you mention that. I can PM you a rough outline of her reaction.

[CerberusSoldier]

well Op I am not worried because the alliance loving princess is dead on Virmire.

[V-rex]

SLPr0 wrote...

Sing along![

I will give you credit, most people don't make their forum arguments into song, so kudos to you.

o/`Grandad was a coward,

Nope. He was a brave general who was ready to fight to the bitter end, he ultimatley was forced to surrender when, weeks into the conflict, there was no chance of reinforcements arriving, no way for him to contact for help, his troops were starving and the Turians had total control over the surrounding areas. So he surrendered for the good of his men and the civilians to end the conflict and did this aware of the repercussions he would face if he did that.
That isn't cowardly, that's noble.

and Daddy dun died in space,

There is a lot more to it then that, namely Ashley's interest in poetry started because her father used to read it and it became a way the two of them bonded. She reads her father's favorite poem to his grave every time she has the chance. And if romanced she reads Tennyson thinking about Shepard the same way she did for her father, implying that after having poetry be the bonding excercise between her and her father, it is now how she copes with and expresses her feelings. To put it simply her relationship with her father means more then just 'he died in space'.

my mommah gave up her job and we was raising kids all over they place,

Ashley has three sisters younger then her and after the death of their father she helped her mother raise them. Being very dedicated to her family and sense of duty both to her still living family and to those who have passed on.

but I don't care,

Nope, Ashley cares a lot about her family. She is a dedicated sister, looking out for them and always worried about them. Her grandfather's reputation is also something very sensitive to her and she has fought endlessly night and day to try to have his name cleared. She is very passionate about that.

cause I got my gun,

Yes, Ashley uses guns. She's a soldier. Interestingly she actually confides to Shepard that in the wake of the Reaper war she is unsure of how important her rifle will actually be and what place she will have in this war. This in turn suggests a feeling of inadequecy on her part and a desire to do something great for the sake of the war ahead. Again it's more then just 'I love me guns'.

and I hates me some aliens,

Sorry but this one still annoys me. Yes I will grant you that Ashley does have issues relating towards aliens. I may even if I'm feeling generous grant you that she can be mildly xenophobic from time to time but the crazt neo n*zi alien hating baby eating monster spawn that people keep seeing with Ashley is only the product of their own delusional fantasies.
Fact is, owing to her family history there are still tensions on a personal level towards aliens and her generally hostile attitude enhances some of that aspects. She's cautious and nervous about working with aliens for the first time as she hasn't had any real experience with them prior to this. Plus she does still say and do a lot over the course of the game to throw away the idea that she's some kind of crazy alien hating Hitler youth and more importantly over the course of the story and with the right encouragement she learns to put aside her past prejudices and even overcome them.
Back in the day we would call this process 'character development'.

and when I go I know I'll go with GAWWWD

Ergh. Yes, Ashley believes in god. Probably because it's easier for her to deal with loss by imagining that the people she loved are in the afterlife now. Ashley is an emotional woman and so it's not really surprising that she's also spiritual. Again though she only mentions this aspect once in the entire game and doesn't try to convert you or force you into her line of thinking.
She just says 'I believe in god'. Frankly if you have a problem with that it says more about you then her.

....yeeehaah!o/`

Ashley has hispanic origins. It makes no effing sense for her to say 'yeehaaaaaa'. At least get your stereotypes right.

[SLPr0]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

My distaste for Ashley's character aside. I often find these critical debates somewhat interesting.

Because I don't know that displaying women as empowered and equal to males in all ways means stripping away their feminine qualities.

Also all thats changed about Ashley here is her hairstyle. I'm not sure how long hair somehow degrades her in some way where shes being exploited as a sex object.

Its not like her armor is made of transparent body hugging latex or something. Shes got her hair down.

She isn't dressed like a nun. 

Ergo, SEX GODDESS!

Ahh okay. So...she looks like a desirable woman, and thus, has been exploited for the penis dollar.

Those EA Marketing people are sharks I tell ya.

[Arppis]

Weskerr wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

I dont see how she would ever find out. Simply kill your LI

How deliciously psychopathic.

"Seven minutes... Seven minutes is all I can spare to play with you!"

www.youtube.com/watch

Haha Thanks for the kudos to my favorite fictional villain.

Haha, you know your text just reminded me of Wesker first... then I posted this and noticed your name. Must have been subconcious.

[V-rex]

AgitatedLemon wrote...


Funny you mention that. I can PM you a rough outline of her reaction.

Can you send me one too? Not that I'll ever end up seeing it in game (faithful 100%) but I am sort of curious.

Also while I'm here I really don't think the recent Mars Mission dialogue is as bad as people keep acting like it is.

Modifié par V-rex, 26 février 2012 - 09:32 .

[SLPr0]

V-rex wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

Sing along![

I will give you credit, most people don't make their forum arguments into song, so kudos to you.

o/`Grandad was a coward,

Nope. He was a brave general who was ready to fight to the bitter end, he ultimatley was forced to surrender when, weeks into the conflict, there was no chance of reinforcements arriving, no way for him to contact for help, his troops were starving and the Turians had total control over the surrounding areas. So he surrendered for the good of his men and the civilians to end the conflict and did this aware of the repercussions he would face if he did that.
That isn't cowardly, that's noble.

and Daddy dun died in space,

There is a lot more to it then that, namely Ashley's interest in poetry started because her father used to read it and it became a way the two of them bonded. She reads her father's favorite poem to his grave every time she has the chance. And if romanced she reads Tennyson thinking about Shepard the same way she did for her father, implying that after having poetry be the bonding excercise between her and her father, it is now how she copes with and expresses her feelings. To put it simply her relationship with her father means more then just 'he died in space'.

my mommah gave up her job and we was raising kids all over they place,

Ashley has three sisters younger then her and after the death of their father she helped her mother raise them. Being very dedicated to her family and sense of duty both to her still living family and to those who have passed on.

but I don't care,

Nope, Ashley cares a lot about her family. She is a dedicated sister, looking out for them and always worried about them. Her grandfather's reputation is also something very sensitive to her and she has fought endlessly night and day to try to have his name cleared. She is very passionate about that.

cause I got my gun,

Yes, Ashley uses guns. She's a soldier. Interestingly she actually confides to Shepard that in the wake of the Reaper war she is unsure of how important her rifle will actually be and what place she will have in this war. This in turn suggests a feeling of inadequecy on her part and a desire to do something great for the sake of the war ahead. Again it's more then just 'I love me guns'.

and I hates me some aliens,

Sorry but this one still annoys me. Yes I will grant you that Ashley does have issues relating towards aliens. I may even if I'm feeling generous grant you that she can be mildly xenophobic from time to time but the crazt neo n*zi alien hating baby eating monster spawn that people keep seeing with Ashley is only the product of their own delusional fantasies.
Fact is, owing to her family history there are still tensions on a personal level towards aliens and her generally hostile attitude enhances some of that aspects. She's cautious and nervous about working with aliens for the first time as she hasn't had any real experience with them prior to this. Plus she does still say and do a lot over the course of the game to throw away the idea that she's some kind of crazy alien hating Hitler youth and more importantly over the course of the story and with the right encouragement she learns to put aside her past prejudices and even overcome them.
Back in the day we would call this process 'character development'.

and when I go I know I'll go with GAWWWD

Ergh. Yes, Ashley believes in god. Probably because it's easier for her to deal with loss by imagining that the people she loved are in the afterlife now. Ashley is an emotional woman and so it's not really surprising that she's also spiritual. Again though she only mentions this aspect once in the entire game and doesn't try to convert you or force you into her line of thinking.
She just says 'I believe in god'. Frankly if you have a problem with that it says more about you then her.

....yeeehaah!o/`

Ashley has hispanic origins. It makes no effing sense for her to say 'yeehaaaaaa'. At least get your stereotypes right.

I think you over-analyzed most of that but its the internet so what did I expect? It was just a quick attempt to make a country song out of some heavily simplified personality points of Ashley's backstory.

Shes a space hick, thats how she came off, to me. A space hick. And I'm just somewhat adverse to hicks. Cause I live in a country full of them that embaress me so badly I spend my time passing myself off as Canadian when I'm overseas on business.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

ME1

"Hey man, who'd you choose as your love interest in Mass Effect?"

"Ashley Williams."

"LOL YOU DUMB IDIOT! WILLIAMS IS UGLY AS HELL! YOU SHOULD HAVE ROMANCED LIARA! SHE'S UBER HAWTIENEZZ!"

ME 2

"Hey dood, still slumming with your Ugo Williams?"

"Yup. I'm faithful."

"LOL YOU DUMB IDIOT! YOU SHOULD DUMP HER BUTT FOR MIRANDA OR JACK OR TALI! LOL YOU IDIOT!"

ME 3

"Ah man, Miranda isn't on the list as a companion. Jack isn't one too. This su-HOLY! WHO'S THAT FINE PEICE OF TAIL?!"

"Oh hey dude. Yeah that's Ashley Williams. Momma decided to get dressed up for the finale. How's your girl doing?"

"......She's....erm....not on the list...."

"Oh? Shame then. C'mon Ash baby. Let's go kill us some Reapers."

"Oh yeah? Well I still have Liara! Right, babe?"

"Ugh not now Shepard. I have a secret shadow organization to run."

................

*looks at hand*

"How about you, "Liara"? Are you ready to take on the Reapers?"

*Hand gestures no*

*Sad faced friend*

[GuardianAngel470]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Yeah didn't like her personality in ME1 and I didn't like her reappearance in ME2. I also don't like her new look.

I just generally don't like the character. In fact, I sometimes romance her just to turn around and romance Tali to see what her reaction will be.

Funny you mention that. I can PM you a rough outline of her reaction.

Do not do that. 

[AgitatedLemon]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

ME1

"Hey man, who'd you choose as your love interest in Mass Effect?"

"Ashley Williams."

"LOL YOU DUMB IDIOT! WILLIAMS IS UGLY AS HELL! YOU SHOULD HAVE ROMANCED LIARA! SHE'S UBER HAWTIENEZZ!"

ME 2

"Hey dood, still slumming with your Ugo Williams?"

"Yup. I'm faithful."

"LOL YOU DUMB IDIOT! YOU SHOULD DUMP HER BUTT FOR MIRANDA OR JACK OR TALI! LOL YOU IDIOT!"

ME 3

"Ah man, Miranda isn't on the list as a companion. Jack isn't one too. This su-HOLY! WHO'S THAT FINE PEICE OF TAIL?!"

"Oh hey dude. Yeah that's Ashley Williams. Momma decided to get dressed up for the finale. How's your girl doing?"

"......She's....erm....not on the list...."

"Oh? Shame then. C'mon Ash baby. Let's go kill us some Reapers."

"Oh yeah? Well I still have Liara! Right, babe?"

"Ugh not now Shepard. I have a secret shadow organization to run."

................

*looks at hand*

"How about you, "Liara"? Are you ready to take on the Reapers?"

*Hand gestures no*

*Sad faced friend*

I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually act like this.

Granted, the people I tend to hang around with and talk to aren't scum.

[Falcon509]

V-rex gets a cookie for critical thinking and dealing out some serious smack.

On a side-note, I find it sad that SLP(whatever-his-name-is) is ashamed of his country because of his prejudice against us clpsed-minded hill-folk. I take pride in knowing that I stand for freedom and tea parties. And the taxes thing. Well and wanting to live in a country where I'm not going to be taxed to death. Political discussions aside (they tend to get ugly), I just hope that Mr. Occupy Wall Street enjoys ME3 and gets to continue his bigoted ways in the war against the Reapers. 

Modifié par Falcon509, 26 février 2012 - 09:46 .

[Legion64]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

ME1

"Hey man, who'd you choose as your love interest in Mass Effect?"

"Ashley Williams."

"LOL YOU DUMB IDIOT! WILLIAMS IS UGLY AS HELL! YOU SHOULD HAVE ROMANCED LIARA! SHE'S UBER HAWTIENEZZ!"

ME 2

"Hey dood, still slumming with your Ugo Williams?"

"Yup. I'm faithful."

"LOL YOU DUMB IDIOT! YOU SHOULD DUMP HER BUTT FOR MIRANDA OR JACK OR TALI! LOL YOU IDIOT!"

ME 3

"Ah man, Miranda isn't on the list as a companion. Jack isn't one too. This su-HOLY! WHO'S THAT FINE PEICE OF TAIL?!"

"Oh hey dude. Yeah that's Ashley Williams. Momma decided to get dressed up for the finale. How's your girl doing?"

"......She's....erm....not on the list...."

"Oh? Shame then. C'mon Ash baby. Let's go kill us some Reapers."

"Oh yeah? Well I still have Liara! Right, babe?"

"Ugh not now Shepard. I have a secret shadow organization to run."

................

*looks at hand*

"How about you, "Liara"? Are you ready to take on the Reapers?"

*Hand gestures no*

*Sad faced friend*

LOL you know when your hand denies you, you truly are pathetic.

[SLPr0]

jreezy wrote...

I applaud you for trying to correct the blatant ignorance of others. I think it was wasted however.

Blatant ignorance.....lol.

I'm not going to be insulting in return, cause I'm sort of above that. I will simply say that my primary issue with Ashley stems from my appraisal of her willful ignorance that she displays as a character.

We don't have to agree, you're obviously a fan of Ashley and thats great thats what makes BioWare games so nice, they create rich characters that are so life like that people don't universally like or dislike them...just like real people.

[V-rex]

SLPr0 wrote...

I think you over-analyzed most of that but its the internet so what did I expect? It was just a quick attempt to make a country song out of some heavily simplified personality points of Ashley's backstory.

If you read his first post on the matter you might get a better idea of why I responded like this. He stated that he didn't like Ashley because he thought she was simple minded, that he had no time for simple minded people. Hence I had to spring on his simple minded assertment of a character who I feel is more complex then that.

Shes a space hick, thats how she came off, to me.

That's your opinion and I respect that. But to me I see a strong passionate woman who is fighting for what she wants and having everything against her in the process, weighed down by very real human flaws and prejudices while possessing the power to overcome them.
That's the Ashley I see.

Modifié par V-rex, 26 février 2012 - 09:43 .

[Phategod1]

I don't think that was the Sole reason, but it sure was one of the 1st things that went threw my mind when I saw her!

[Moonshadow_Dark]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

ME1

"Hey man, who'd you choose as your love interest in Mass Effect?"

"Ashley Williams."

"LOL YOU DUMB IDIOT! WILLIAMS IS UGLY AS HELL! YOU SHOULD HAVE ROMANCED LIARA! SHE'S UBER HAWTIENEZZ!"

ME 2

"Hey dood, still slumming with your Ugo Williams?"

"Yup. I'm faithful."

"LOL YOU DUMB IDIOT! YOU SHOULD DUMP HER BUTT FOR MIRANDA OR JACK OR TALI! LOL YOU IDIOT!"

ME 3

"Ah man, Miranda isn't on the list as a companion. Jack isn't one too. This su-HOLY! WHO'S THAT FINE PEICE OF TAIL?!"

"Oh hey dude. Yeah that's Ashley Williams. Momma decided to get dressed up for the finale. How's your girl doing?"

"......She's....erm....not on the list...."

"Oh? Shame then. C'mon Ash baby. Let's go kill us some Reapers."

"Oh yeah? Well I still have Liara! Right, babe?"

"Ugh not now Shepard. I have a secret shadow organization to run."

................

*looks at hand*

"How about you, "Liara"? Are you ready to take on the Reapers?"

*Hand gestures no*

*Sad faced friend*

I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually act like this.

Granted, the people I tend to hang around with and talk to aren't scum.

Of course not. This is a bit. It's supposed to make you giggle.

Hence the whole hand denial thing. I just walked off with Williams. How the hell would I know what he was doing after I left?

[Arppis]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

ME1

"Hey man, who'd you choose as your love interest in Mass Effect?"

"Ashley Williams."

"LOL YOU DUMB IDIOT! WILLIAMS IS UGLY AS HELL! YOU SHOULD HAVE ROMANCED LIARA! SHE'S UBER HAWTIENEZZ!"

ME 2

"Hey dood, still slumming with your Ugo Williams?"

"Yup. I'm faithful."

"LOL YOU DUMB IDIOT! YOU SHOULD DUMP HER BUTT FOR MIRANDA OR JACK OR TALI! LOL YOU IDIOT!"

ME 3

"Ah man, Miranda isn't on the list as a companion. Jack isn't one too. This su-HOLY! WHO'S THAT FINE PEICE OF TAIL?!"

"Oh hey dude. Yeah that's Ashley Williams. Momma decided to get dressed up for the finale. How's your girl doing?"

"......She's....erm....not on the list...."

"Oh? Shame then. C'mon Ash baby. Let's go kill us some Reapers."

"Oh yeah? Well I still have Liara! Right, babe?"

"Ugh not now Shepard. I have a secret shadow organization to run."

................

*looks at hand*

"How about you, "Liara"? Are you ready to take on the Reapers?"

*Hand gestures no*

*Sad faced friend*

Hahahah, that was hilarious. 

For the record, I never thought Ash was ugly, but sure open hair suits her more.

[muse108]

Honestly I like the new hair down version and I really dont think its anything anywhere near whine worthy.