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[Amikae]

I'm going to start with the fact, that I have cancelled my ME3 preorder. It was the only thing I could do to show BioWare, that I disagree with what they did on the 'From Ashes' DLC. I am not against paid DLC, especially such as the 'From Ashes', 'Shadow Broker', 'Kasumi' and 'Overlord'. If 'From Ashes' was released post launch, I think it would have been ok. But that's not what I want to discuss.

'From Ashes' and what they did with is something every gamer out there should be concerned, but I think what's more important is the situation with cosmetic DLC's. Stuff like guns, armors and skins, or even the Genesis DLC. Right now Alternate Appearance Pack 1 and 2 + Firepower Pack + Aegis Pack + Equalizer Pack + Genesis = 1120 MS Points = about 15$ = 1/4 the price of Mass Effect 3. For 15 $ you get an interactive comic, 6 skins and a few guns/armors. What?

Every cosmetic DLC out there should be FREE. It adds polish to the game, nothing more. Nothing can justify such paid DLC's. It's something companies should do to please their customers. Let's be reasonable. 15$ for 6 skins, a 15 minute interactive comic, that's just a small port from the PS3 and a few items. Not a character, not a new planet. 15$ should equal about 10+ hours of solid content.

I know the BioWare Def Force will jump on me now. People will tell me, that it's cheap and no one cares about 15$. It's not about the 15$, it's about where things are going. Back in the days buying games was much more exciting because we knew, that what we bought was the final work of the said dev. Even if the game flopped, we knew that they gave their best and we got the whole package. Right now, you buy Mass Effect 2 or 3, and the excitement is hampered even before launch, because you know that there are bits and pieces missing. Mass Effect 2 was critisicized about the horrible itemization. And they showed us, that they can adress it by creating additional items and skins... but not for free.

Where do we go from here? In what state are games going to be sold 5 years from now? Is this really how we want things to go down? Are we really ok with this? Having to pay 7$ for Arrival is fine, having to pay 2 $ for a sniper rifle is NOT. 

[FluffyScarf]

You paid for horse armor back in 2006. Blame Bethesduh for introducing DLC.

[Lextra]

"From Ashes" dlc just gives you the prothean as squad mate and one extra mission. The Character and the Story behind the prothean is still in the game for everyone available. Just saying

edit: funny how you give yourself 5 stars...

Modifié par Lextra, 26 février 2012 - 12:13 .

[Severyx]

PRE-CANCEL ORDERED.

[Amikae]

FluffyScarf wrote...

You paid for horse armor back in 2006. Blame Bethesduh for introducing DLC.

No, I didn't, but many did and look where that got us.

[packardbell]

Why did this warrant another thread? Couldn't you just post in the original one? Oh no guess not, you wanted attention.

Modifié par packardbell, 26 février 2012 - 12:12 .

[AkiKishi]

The only way to go is through the packaging. Day 1 DLC needs to be indicated on the outside of the box.
That way everyone can see how much they are being ripped off and send the game back before opening it.

[bboynexus]

Lextra wrote...

"From Ashes" dlc just gives you the prothean as squad mate and one extra mission. The Character and the Story behind the prothean is still in the game for everyone available. Just saying

Bingo.

[Amikae]

packardbell wrote...

Why did this warrant another thread? Couldn't you just post in the original one? Oh no guess not, you wanted attention.

This is not a topic about 'From Ashes'. There's not much to discuss about that issue. I did not agree with it, I cancelled my Preorder.

Modifié par Amikae, 26 février 2012 - 12:14 .

[AkiKishi]

Kudos on your willpower and integrity OP

[FluffyScarf]

And BF3 fans cancelled their pre-orders after the beta.

[Freakiq]

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[Shadowrun1177]

So does that mean that you'll treat other game companies who do the same thing with dlc packs the same way. I mean look at games like Mortal Kombat with all its dlc or the Street Fighter games I don't really see people getting up in arms about being charged for character skins and such for them or how about the fact the games like MW3 charges for maps and weapons downloads. It's wrong to jump on Bioware for doing something that other companies are doing and in some case charging more for the stuff.

[Gruzmog]

Seems we are on opposite sides here. I am fine with extra skins extra guns etc. I don't need those, you don't NEED those. It are vanity items that might be fun to have. If that gives you extra fun you pay for it. I am 100% ok with skins and the like, it's not like the basic outfits are unplayable so you need this. These kind of things can be avaiable on launch according to me as the game doesn't change because of them.

The topics of extra guns gets a bit more tricky if the guns in the normal game are insufficient. ME2 is walking a fine line there but I don't think they crossed it.

Story elements and heavy lore influencing squad mates is were it crosses the line in my book. Gess we disagree

[Wulfram]

Since ME3 seems to have an abundance of guns in the game, and alternate appearances are utterly trivial, so I'm actually fairly relaxed about that sort of DLC. It's not ideal, but it's not causing me much outrage.

(I'm really not part of the Bioware Defence Force)

[Jonttu1]

If you don't feel that the DLC is worth the price, then don't buy it. You're free to cancel your pre-order as well if you feel like it. But you're going to miss out on a great game. I don't blame you for getting mad, but there has already been thousands of rants like these and they're pretty pointless. They're not going to convince anyone to cancel their perorder as well and won't make the DLC free no matter how much you rant. Just move on. Buy another game that you feel is worth it.

[packardbell]

Amikae wrote...

packardbell wrote...

Why did this warrant another thread? Couldn't you just post in the original one? Oh no guess not, you wanted attention.

This is not a topic about 'From Ashes'. There's not much to discuss about that issue. I did not agree with it, I cancelled my Preorder.

Right but the thing is, that is the only relevant place it should be in. You are not exempt from that rule. But why should cosmetic things be free? They are still things drawn up by the art team and then rendered and put into the game. 

TIME = MONEY

Modifié par packardbell, 26 février 2012 - 12:20 .

[Arppis]

Lextra wrote...

"From Ashes" dlc just gives you the prothean as squad mate and one extra mission. The Character and the Story behind the prothean is still in the game for everyone available. Just saying

edit: funny how you give yourself 5 stars...

You also get alternative squad outfits.

[Hotdog3D]

I agree with the OP. Something has to be done against all this DLC bullcrap or we'll end up paying twice the price of the game to get full experience in few years.
Started with some horse-armour crap and now we get entire character and his story cut out of the game, it's getting worse every year.

[Wulfram]

packardbell wrote...

Right but the thing is, that is the only relevant place it should be in. You are not exempt from that rule.

Attempting to threadjack the "From Ashes" thread with stuff about Appearance and Gun DLC would be against the rules, I think.

[Arppis]

As OP has done, don't buy the game and show BioWare that you don't want this to happen.

Would you guys be ready to wait for another year for your game then?

Oh and guns and armor are the best DLC for me. I like missions and all that, don't get me wrong. But I like it when I can buy something little extra for my games that gives my character something I can use for the duration of the whole game. Again, don't like it? Don't buy it. They don't take away anything from you if you don't get them.

Modifié par Arppis, 26 février 2012 - 12:23 .

[Severyx]

Wulfram wrote...

Since ME3 seems to have an abundance of guns in the game, and alternate appearances are utterly trivial, so I'm actually fairly relaxed about that sort of DLC. It's not ideal, but it's not causing me much outrage.

(I'm really not part of the Bioware Defence Force)

I propose a new faction, independant of those who blindly defend BioWare and those who hate hate hate all day.

We'll call it "Rebels Against Pious Egos"


Or something.

[Amikae]

I am not jumping on BioWare. This is a global issue and it's our own fault. Yes, what they did with 'From Ashes' was wrong, it should have been included for all the preorders, hell it shouldn't even be a DLC. BUT, DLC's like 'Kasumi', 'Overlord' and 'Shadow Broker', are something that was developed and sold post launch. It probably required a decent amount of money and resources to create, so the price on those is justified. But having to pay for guns and skins is something that should concern us. Something so small and insignificant on first glimpse, could cause the whole industry to spiral down into something horrible. Because we didn't care when we had to.

I will say it again, every cosmetic DLC should be FREE.