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[suprhomre]

I go to black beard for dlc

[Dansayshi]

I too agree with the op, as do many others, and not just on these forums.

But theirs nothing we can do about it, because people will still happily drop the cash on release day.

Digital delux edition in the UK on origin is £55 (all dlc). Thats just.... extreme, to say the least.

[packardbell]

Amikae wrote...

I am not jumping on BioWare. This is a global issue and it's our own fault. Yes, what they did with 'From Ashes' was wrong, it should have been included for all the preorders, hell it shouldn't even be a DLC. BUT, DLC's like 'Kasumi', 'Overlord' and 'Shadow Broker', are something that was developed and sold post launch. It probably required a decent amount of money and resources to create, so the price on those is justified. But having to pay for guns and skins is something that should concern us. Something so small and insignificant on first glimpse, could cause the whole industry to spiral down into something horrible. Because we didn't care when we had to.

I will say it again, every cosmetic DLC should be FREE.

Read my updated response. WHY should weapon/alternative armour packs be free? They are still using resources to implement them into the game, through actual concept, rendering ect ect ect. As long as such items are priced accordingly i.e £2 then they do not bother me, they do not affect gameplay, it's jsut something to flavour up your game.

Modifié par packardbell, 26 février 2012 - 12:30 .

[Chromie]

FluffyScarf wrote...

You paid for horse armor back in 2006. Blame Bethesduh for introducing DLC.

Biodefense force go!

[Blarty]

Can I ask how long do you think it takes DLC to develop? Do you think that the ideas behind Shadow Broker were not well into development, or even the coding, level development, etc when ME2 went gold? Should ME2 have been delayed ( as ME3 has been, coincidentally, how often people forget that the original release date was put back) so that LotSB could be included in the main game? And if not, why not?

[Wulfram]

Amikae wrote...

I will say it again, every cosmetic DLC should be FREE.

Why?

Either it's not really worth anything to you, in which case who cares, or it is worth something and Bioware are entitled to charge for it.  Now, I think the prices are pretty crazy, but the game is very much fine without it.

edit: I'm talking about cosmetic DLC in general, not day one cosmetic DLC.

Modifié par Wulfram, 26 février 2012 - 12:31 .

[FluffyScarf]

Bethesduh defence force exists here?

[Amikae]

packardbell wrote...

Amikae wrote...

I am not jumping on BioWare. This is a global issue and it's our own fault. Yes, what they did with 'From Ashes' was wrong, it should have been included for all the preorders, hell it shouldn't even be a DLC. BUT, DLC's like 'Kasumi', 'Overlord' and 'Shadow Broker', are something that was developed and sold post launch. It probably required a decent amount of money and resources to create, so the price on those is justified. But having to pay for guns and skins is something that should concern us. Something so small and insignificant on first glimpse, could cause the whole industry to spiral down into something horrible. Because we didn't care when we had to.

I will say it again, every cosmetic DLC should be FREE.

Read my updated response. WHY should weapon/alternative armour packs be free? They are still using resources to implement them into the game, through actual concept, rendering ect ect ect.

Sure they use resources, like every other decent developer out there uses recources and produces patches to support their game. It's a business, you invest in your product, you polish it, you try to make it the best out there. Creating a sniper rifle though is one thing, it could be done by a handful of people for a very short time. So yes, they do invest a bit in it, but it's something insignificant and should be a "thank you" message to all the people who bought their game and made them so many millions in profits.

[Wulfram]

I think it would certainly be a nice gesture if they included the odd appearance pack in the patches or something, but it's hardly an obligation.

[Pedrak]

Cosmetic DLCs like weapons pack are indeed ludicrously overpriced, but it doesn't bother me.They are completely unnecessary to complete and enjoy the game; obsessive fans who want every item and are glad to pay 5$ for three armours get them, devs make easy money, people who don't care don't buy them. It's a win/win scenario for me.

Story-relevant DLC is more controversial.

It's like saying in RL: "Man, how can people charge/pay thousands of bucks for a luxury watch?"
Who cares? I'll worry when the price of water and bread will increase.

Modifié par Pedrak, 26 février 2012 - 12:34 .

[Blarty]

The only way to please everyone is to not have any DLC whatsoever, meaning either unexpanded universe, a sequence of over priced Expansion Packs, or even longer base game development times..... And if you want anything beyond that tough cheese....

[Rotkaepchen]

Hotdog3D wrote...

I agree with the OP. Something has to be done against all this DLC bullcrap or we'll end up paying twice the price of the game to get full experience in few years.
Started with some horse-armour crap and now we get entire character and his story cut out of the game, it's getting worse every year.

It's getting worse because so many mindless husks keep buying them.

[Severyx]

So, let me get this straight...

You'd love to sit in an office and spend hours upon hours modeling, adding textures, implementing mechanics, running data simulations to balance itty bits, and doing it all over again for the purposes of QA for free?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

[Amikae]

Wulfram wrote...

I think it would certainly be a nice gesture if they included the odd appearance pack in the patches or something, but it's hardly an obligation.

Well of course, when they see people post stuff like this, of course they won't feel obliged. But it's the proper thing to do. It's polish, nothing more, it shouldn't cost money. Yet you are fine with it, so they will charge you for guns and armors now, and even more years from now. How do you not see the problem?

[Hotdog3D]

I was always happy with expansion packs. Most of them were cheapier and longer than any of the current super big DLC anyway.

[packardbell]

Amikae wrote...

packardbell wrote...

Amikae wrote...

I am not jumping on BioWare. This is a global issue and it's our own fault. Yes, what they did with 'From Ashes' was wrong, it should have been included for all the preorders, hell it shouldn't even be a DLC. BUT, DLC's like 'Kasumi', 'Overlord' and 'Shadow Broker', are something that was developed and sold post launch. It probably required a decent amount of money and resources to create, so the price on those is justified. But having to pay for guns and skins is something that should concern us. Something so small and insignificant on first glimpse, could cause the whole industry to spiral down into something horrible. Because we didn't care when we had to.

I will say it again, every cosmetic DLC should be FREE.

Read my updated response. WHY should weapon/alternative armour packs be free? They are still using resources to implement them into the game, through actual concept, rendering ect ect ect.

Sure they use resources, like every other decent developer out there uses recources and produces patches to support their game. It's a business, you invest in your product, you polish it, you try to make it the best out there. Creating a sniper rifle though is one thing, it could be done by a handful of people for a very short time. So yes, they do invest a bit in it, but it's something insignificant and should be a "thank you" message to all the people who bought their game and made them so many millions in profits.

They did that with DA2, Firewalker was also free for all cerberus network holders. 

[Wulfram]

Amikae wrote...

Well of course, when they see people post stuff like this, of course they won't feel obliged. But it's the proper thing to do. It's polish, nothing more, it shouldn't cost money. Yet you are fine with it, so they will charge you for guns and armors now, and even more years from now. How do you not see the problem?

Since it's not content I want, I really don't care how it's priced.

Guns could be an issue, because it's not purely cosmetic.  A lack of choice in that area could detract from the game.  But ME3 seems to have loads and loads of guns in the main game, so it's not an issue for this game.

[wolfsite]

If you want to blame someone for DLC and pricing blame the consumer.  The consumer has shown that this method of providing content is viable for companies to generate revenue.  Also not buying the game doesn't tell the company DLC doesn't work as sales figures for DLC are compared to the number of total units of the original item sold, so if they have a high turn around on the original item but very low DLC then they get the message that the DLC didn't work.

Plus a lot of people are just assuming this DLC is important when it is optional content not needed for the complete experience.  Call me a defender if you want but if you ask for answers then refuse to listen to the ansers when they are given... what does that say about you.

[packardbell]

Wulfram wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Well of course, when they see people post stuff like this, of course they won't feel obliged. But it's the proper thing to do. It's polish, nothing more, it shouldn't cost money. Yet you are fine with it, so they will charge you for guns and armors now, and even more years from now. How do you not see the problem?

Since it's not content I want, I really don't care how it's priced.

Guns could be an issue, because it's not purely cosmetic.  A lack of choice in that area could detract from the game.  But ME3 seems to have loads and loads of guns in the main game, so it's not an issue for this game.

Not to mention the guns that will come from your ME2 save.

[Severyx]

Wulfram wrote...

Since it's not content I want, I really don't care how it's priced..

Blasphemy! You MUST complain when talking about DLC or money! Get back in line, soldier!

Err, I mean *Ahem* Biodefense activated!

Modifié par Severyx, 26 février 2012 - 12:42 .

[Blarty]

Amikae wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I think it would certainly be a nice gesture if they included the odd appearance pack in the patches or something, but it's hardly an obligation.

Well of course, when they see people post stuff like this, of course they won't feel obliged. But it's the proper thing to do. It's polish, nothing more, it shouldn't cost money. Yet you are fine with it, so they will charge you for guns and armors now, and even more years from now. How do you not see the problem?

The problem is an issue of viewpoint, just because something is digital, a few 100kb or whatever, doesn't mean it should be free, or because you don't have a physical entity in your hand - with anything you buy an end result, you see an end result and often as consumers we don't appreciate what's gone into or long it's taken to get to the end result. Gamers believe that a business and economic policy based on altruism can be continued ad nauseum - it can't, nothing either in real life or digitally can support this process indefinitely. Even Valve know this.... While there are customers buying stuff on Steam they will give you stuff free, because this ultimately turns into cash indirectly...

[Arppis]

Guns and armor are most awesome DLC for me. I bought some for Dead Space and bought some for ME2 and even for Ninja Gaiden 2, they have always been good purchases for me.

And the good thing is that they don't cost much.

[turianscantjunp]

At the end of the day sadly it's business, maximise profits when possible and prolong the replay values of games. can't really blame the developer of any game.

If we have to pay for extras it's optional.

As customers if we're happy to pay for dlc/extras, good times

If we're not happy to pay, still good times, we save money

Now if the developers were to give us free dlc/extras , even better

In this case with mass effect 3, I don't mind spending the extra bit because compared to other games, you get allot of playtime out of me3.

[Simiancustard]

What I find interesting is that the DLC is $10, however you're not really getting any sort of discount when you get the N7 Collectors edition. It's not free content, since the mark-up is $20. Granted some of you may say but we get all sorts of goodies with our purchase, and that's true, but the point is the content isn't free per se. You're still paying for the "privilege" of your Shep to wear a DLC hoodie.

I have no problem with cosmetic DLC, since I generally ignore them (I have no desire to play house, nor dress up my dolls). For instance, Square Enix is now releasing costume packs for the main characters of Noel and Serah (Final Fantasy XIII-2), and I have no desire to get them. Similarly, cosmetic DLC for Mass Effect is something I don't care about either. If you're keen to get them, that's your prerogative. I have no place to question your spending motives, regardless of holding an opinion that it's a terrible waste of money (particularly while we're going through a recession, but each to their own)

Story-relevant DLC, particularly those that release on the same day as the game is a different story all together, and I can't hide my displeasure with Bioware. This is a particularly foul move. If they had released the material months later, it wouldn't have phased me since it's post-release. Syn-release is something that I can't support. This is the epitome of exploitation, and the powers-that-be at Bioware should be ashamed of themselves.

[stu_]

I'm sure the handfull of gamers cancelling orders will be noticed by EA/Bioware because of the multiple millions of copy's that will still get sold.

not.