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[AlanC9]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...
 For an example, we trusted BW to give a complete package where all story elements from previous games would be wrapped up and available to all. So to make a character belonging to a race that seemed so important in the previous two games only available for extra cost seems like a betrayal of our trust. I think we are truly right in feeling that way.

There's no actual reason to think that From Ashes will wrap up any story elements from previous games that aren't wrapped up in ME3 proper. From Ashes will wrap up Prothy's story; that's it.

Which doesn't mean you have to feel good about it.

Depends on how you look at it of course. But I think even BioWare disagrees with you on this one. From what they have said, the Prothean character is for fans who followed the lore closely. So in a sense, this means that this character must be of some closure/importance for the fans.

The rumor is that the character's in the game whether you have the DLC or not. I don't necessarily believe that, but I do believe that any really important information about protheans in general will be in the game rather than in the DLC. What you'll get in the DLC is probably Prothy's personal take on those events, which will be interesting without actually being important.

[SalsaDMA]

Lady Niltiak wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Piracy is out there and banning me won't change that. By that I am saying, that the developers and publishers don't hold all the cards. Every game out there with very very few exceptions can be pirated. So how are they fighting this? With DLC's? That's just cruel. There is content, that I don't want to buy, but at the same time, it sure would have been nice if I had all the weapons available to suit my taste, no? Why do I have to pay for them? So EA/BioWare/Ubisoft/whatever can be pricks about it and sell us GUNS and SKIN, but I can't be a ****** by pirating their game?

I am fine with buying proper content, like Arrival and the other major DLC's. But forcing me to pay for guns, armors and skins is just sick. I am not tolerating this. It may not be the reason for me cancelling my preorder, but it sure will be the reason for me not buying any other game, that comes with a plethora of haircuts, interactive comics and all sorts of crap, that should have been free.

Newsflash sweetheart: Nothing is free. The whole damn world is quid pro quo.

That's why companies like EA are actively preventing the ability to mod their games? The stuff they sell as DLC WERE free in the past.

Maybe you're too young to remember these things? Although given the timeframe I would have a hard time actually believing so and am more prone to put it down to forgetfullness on your part.

Heck, some games thrived precisely of a large modding scene that gave customers a ton of free stuff to enhance their gaming experience above the initial purchase.

[Amikae]

AlanC9 wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...
 For an example, we trusted BW to give a complete package where all story elements from previous games would be wrapped up and available to all. So to make a character belonging to a race that seemed so important in the previous two games only available for extra cost seems like a betrayal of our trust. I think we are truly right in feeling that way.

There's no actual reason to think that From Ashes will wrap up any story elements from previous games that aren't wrapped up in ME3 proper. From Ashes will wrap up Prothy's story; that's it.

Which doesn't mean you have to feel good about it.

Depends on how you look at it of course. But I think even BioWare disagrees with you on this one. From what they have said, the Prothean character is for fans who followed the lore closely. So in a sense, this means that this character must be of some closure/importance for the fans.

The rumor is that the character's in the game whether you have the DLC or not. I don't necessarily believe that, but I do believe that any really important information about protheans in general will be in the game rather than in the DLC. What you'll get in the DLC is probably Prothy's personal take on those events, which will be interesting without actually being important.

If he's in the game even without the DLC, why don't they confirm it? It doesn't make sense. But as I said, it's not just about From Ashes. It's about pointless DLCs and stuff, that should be free. But I guess it's too much to ask for them not to charge us for sniper rifles and other stuff like that.

[Clayless]

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Lady Niltiak wrote...

Newsflash sweetheart: Nothing is free. The whole damn world is quid pro quo.

Sunlight, fresh air, an amazing universe, true friendship, family, comfort, love, happiness, ideas, torrents, etc.

Free, arguably not free as fresh air is hard to come by, have fun with the universe, not free, not free, not free, not free, not free, free but costs money to achieve, free but mostly illegal.

That was fun.

[mackan__s]

I just dont cant take this discussion any more.. Gamers are a strange people .. You can pay 60 U.S. dollars for the whole game .. But not more than 10 U.S. dollars for an expansion.

Collector's edition includes DLC, and has said that it should be done so in months .. so why hasn't nobody ordered it before?

sigh*

[AJRimmsey]

i suppose those who keep asking this are in group A

group A - want to play but cant afford it
group B - want to play it but want to make a stand against milking
group C - want to play it,and will just steal/download it

group C i suspect are the trolls here winding up group A and B

[AlanC9]

Well, there are some folks in group A who don't care enough about From Ashes to pay $10 for it, and don't care enough about additional weapons to pay $1 for them.

Amikae wrote...

If he's in the game even without the DLC, why don't they confirm it? It doesn't make sense.

Tjhey don't want to spoil things any more than they have been already?

But as I said, it's not just about From Ashes. It's about pointless DLCs and stuff, that should be free. But I guess it's too much to ask for them not to charge us for sniper rifles and other stuff like that.

You're only being charged for sniper rifles if you want them. Nobody's charged me for any sniper rifles.

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 février 2012 - 08:37 .

[Aulis Vaara]

mackan__s wrote...

Collector's edition includes DLC, and has said that it should be done so in months .. so why hasn't nobody ordered it before?

sigh*

Believe it or not, but not everyone knows months in advance what their financial situation is going to be. By the time they do know, the Collector's Edition is already sold out.

Secondly, since the DLC is already half the price of the Collector's Edition, the latter has suddenly actually become worth the extra money, but it's simply not available anymore. Situations change, and frequently this pisses people off. For good reason in this instance.

And if you can't take it anymore, good! Maybe Bioware feels the same way and is talking to EA about the situation right now!

[ninjaNumber1]

AlanC9 wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...
 For an example, we trusted BW to give a complete package where all story elements from previous games would be wrapped up and available to all. So to make a character belonging to a race that seemed so important in the previous two games only available for extra cost seems like a betrayal of our trust. I think we are truly right in feeling that way.

There's no actual reason to think that From Ashes will wrap up any story elements from previous games that aren't wrapped up in ME3 proper. From Ashes will wrap up Prothy's story; that's it.

Which doesn't mean you have to feel good about it.

Depends on how you look at it of course. But I think even BioWare disagrees with you on this one. From what they have said, the Prothean character is for fans who followed the lore closely. So in a sense, this means that this character must be of some closure/importance for the fans.

The rumor is that the character's in the game whether you have the DLC or not. I don't necessarily believe that, but I do believe that any really important information about protheans in general will be in the game rather than in the DLC. What you'll get in the DLC is probably Prothy's personal take on those events, which will be interesting without actually being important.

Oh good point about him possibly still being in the game.

I think I will be happy if he is in the standard version of the game, and you are allowed to talk to him and have access to all dialogue. So the only difference between CE and SE would be that in CE, you are allowed to take him on board as a squad member and on missions. Or even better, he is on board the normandy after you discover/clone him in all versions of the game but he is not accessible as a squad member.

In this sense, the Prothean character would actually function more like an extra weapon for the CE while his story value will be accessible to all.

Such an arrangement would be very good but somehow I doubt it...

Modifié par ninjaNumber1, 26 février 2012 - 08:48 .

[SalsaDMA]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Lady Niltiak wrote...

Newsflash sweetheart: Nothing is free. The whole damn world is quid pro quo.

Sunlight, fresh air, an amazing universe, true friendship, family, comfort, love, happiness, ideas, torrents, etc.

Free, arguably not free as fresh air is hard to come by, have fun with the universe, not free, not free, not free, not free, not free, free but costs money to achieve, free but mostly illegal.

That was fun.

the fact that you listed "true friendship" as "not free" tells more about you than the person you responded to.

[AlanC9]

Aulis Vaara wrote...
Believe it or not, but not everyone knows months in advance what their financial situation is going to be. By the time they do know, the Collector's Edition is already sold out.

Secondly, since the DLC is already half the price of the Collector's Edition, the latter has suddenly actually become worth the extra money, but it's simply not available anymore. Situations change, and frequently this pisses people off. For good reason in this instance.

And if you can't take it anymore, good! Maybe Bioware feels the same way and is talking to EA about the situation right now!

Digital Deluxe is still available, right?

[Rockworm503]

Blarty wrote...

The only way to please everyone is to not have any DLC whatsoever, meaning either unexpanded universe, a sequence of over priced Expansion Packs, or even longer base game development times..... And if you want anything beyond that tough cheese....

I see nothing wrong with this.
In fact I miss this.

Believe it or not there was a time before DLC where we knew that we got the full game in the box.

[Aulis Vaara]

AlanC9 wrote...

Digital Deluxe is still available, right?

Doesn't even mention the new squaddy and from what I can tell (the store is in bloody French for me -.-'), you get a whopping one gun more than when you pre-order the game. Plus, you don't get an actual physical copy of the game.

[ganthet2000]

You know I think this is a mot point. Why make yourself suffer not playing a game that you love just cause of some 10 dollar DLC. I for one am a gamer, I don't have a ton of money to through around. But 10 bucks is not that bad. If you think this is bad you should play broad games or pencil and paper RPGs. 30 bucks an add on is a lot worse. Look if you want to play the game do so. If you think they 10 dollar DLC is an insult fine don't buy the game, but realize that you are making yourself suffer and not EA. They have money rolling in off other games and they won't feel it that much.

[ninjaNumber1]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Blarty wrote...

The only way to please everyone is to not have any DLC whatsoever, meaning either unexpanded universe, a sequence of over priced Expansion Packs, or even longer base game development times..... And if you want anything beyond that tough cheese....

I see nothing wrong with this.
In fact I miss this.

Believe it or not there was a time before DLC where we knew that we got the full game in the box.

Yea, those were the days where you got rewarded with this sort of content for beating an insane difficulty etc. Those were the days :'(

[Rockworm503]

GamerrangerX wrote...

Amikae wrote...

I'm going to start with the fact, that I have cancelled my ME3 preorder. It was the only thing I could do to show BioWare, that I disagree with what they did on the 'From Ashes' DLC. I am not against paid DLC, especially such as the 'From Ashes', 'Shadow Broker', 'Kasumi' and 'Overlord'. If 'From Ashes' was released post launch, I think it would have been ok. But that's not what I want to discuss.

'From Ashes' and what they did with is something every gamer out there should be concerned, but I think what's more important is the situation with cosmetic DLC's. Stuff like guns, armors and skins, or even the Genesis DLC. Right now Alternate Appearance Pack 1 and 2 + Firepower Pack + Aegis Pack + Equalizer Pack + Genesis = 1120 MS Points = about 15$ = 1/4 the price of Mass Effect 3. For 15 $ you get an interactive comic, 6 skins and a few guns/armors. What?

Every cosmetic DLC out there should be FREE. It adds polish to the game, nothing more. Nothing can justify such paid DLC's. It's something companies should do to please their customers. Let's be reasonable. 15$ for 6 skins, a 15 minute interactive comic, that's just a small port from the PS3 and a few items. Not a character, not a new planet. 15$ should equal about 10+ hours of solid content.

I know the BioWare Def Force will jump on me now. People will tell me, that it's cheap and no one cares about 15$. It's not about the 15$, it's about where things are going. Back in the days buying games was much more exciting because we knew, that what we bought was the final work of the said dev. Even if the game flopped, we knew that they gave their best and we got the whole package. Right now, you buy Mass Effect 2 or 3, and the excitement is hampered even before launch, because you know that there are bits and pieces missing. Mass Effect 2 was critisicized about the horrible itemization. And they showed us, that they can adress it by creating additional items and skins... but not for free.

Where do we go from here? In what state are games going to be sold 5 years from now? Is this really how we want things to go down? Are we really ok with this? Having to pay 7$ for Arrival is fine, having to pay 2 $ for a sniper rifle is NOT. 

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what are you 5 years old?

[ninjaNumber1]

ganthet2000 wrote...

You know I think this is a mot point. Why make yourself suffer not playing a game that you love just cause of some 10 dollar DLC. I for one am a gamer, I don't have a ton of money to through around. But 10 bucks is not that bad. If you think this is bad you should play broad games or pencil and paper RPGs. 30 bucks an add on is a lot worse. Look if you want to play the game do so. If you think they 10 dollar DLC is an insult fine don't buy the game, but realize that you are making yourself suffer and not EA. They have money rolling in off other games and they won't feel it that much.

I think people should just buy the regular edition of the game and boycott the CE and the DLC. The problem is with the DLC, not the game. So to protest the entire game would be overkill.

[AlanC9]

Aulis Vaara wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Digital Deluxe is still available, right?

Doesn't even mention the new squaddy and from what I can tell (the store is in bloody French for me -.-'), you get a whopping one gun more than when you pre-order the game. Plus, you don't get an actual physical copy of the game.

The wiki says From Ashes is included with the DD. I don't know what their source is. Origin doesn't mention it.

You get four guns, the robot dog, and the alternate outfit pack.  Plus, apparently, the N7 hoodie, which is a bit odd.

Nope, no physical copy. But it's not like ME3 has a paper manual anyway.

[AlanC9]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...
I think people should just buy the regular edition of the game and boycott the CE and the DLC. The problem is with the DLC, not the game. So to protest the entire game would be overkill.

Yes, this is much more sensible. if you boycott the whole game then the parcentage of players who do buy the DLC is going to go up. You'll make the DLC look like more of a success.

[Rockworm503]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Lady Niltiak wrote...

Newsflash sweetheart: Nothing is free. The whole damn world is quid pro quo.

Sunlight, fresh air, an amazing universe, true friendship, family, comfort, love, happiness, ideas, torrents, etc.

Free, arguably not free as fresh air is hard to come by, have fun with the universe, not free, not free, not free, not free, not free, free but costs money to achieve, free but mostly illegal.

That was fun.

It really is fun knowing that alll of those are in fact free.
You're telling me your family charges you money to see them?
You're friends?
Comfort?  I got my bed for free.
I'm happiest when I'm sleeping.... sleep is free.
your ideas aren't free?

It really is fun when you realize you didn't even read what you responded to 

[Rockworm503]

mackan__s wrote...

I just dont cant take this discussion any more.. Gamers are a strange people .. You can pay 60 U.S. dollars for the whole game .. But not more than 10 U.S. dollars for an expansion.

Collector's edition includes DLC, and has said that it should be done so in months .. so why hasn't nobody ordered it before?

sigh*

Interesting choice of words...
expansion.
Tell me what does this expand for the game exactly?

[Moonshadow_Dark]

mackan__s wrote...

I just dont cant take this discussion any more.. Gamers are a strange people .. You can pay 60 U.S. dollars for the whole game .. But not more than 10 U.S. dollars for an expansion.

Collector's edition includes DLC, and has said that it should be done so in months .. so why hasn't nobody ordered it before?

sigh*

They're not uppity for an expansion. They're uppity over a NPC. Who is vitually useless as no one will bring him into combat.

It's called false entitlement, a deadly disease that is rapidly spreading among the gamers. We don't know who "Patient Zero" is, but we have to quarientine this people and find a cure. Otherwise the entire gamer subculture will choke out and die.

[Rockworm503]

ganthet2000 wrote...

You know I think this is a mot point. Why make yourself suffer not playing a game that you love just cause of some 10 dollar DLC. I for one am a gamer, I don't have a ton of money to through around. But 10 bucks is not that bad. If you think this is bad you should play broad games or pencil and paper RPGs. 30 bucks an add on is a lot worse. Look if you want to play the game do so. If you think they 10 dollar DLC is an insult fine don't buy the game, but realize that you are making yourself suffer and not EA. They have money rolling in off other games and they won't feel it that much.

LOL my enjoyment in life doesn't begin and end with this game.
I can afford the DLC.
Thats not the point.
I drew a line that should any game company cross than I shall not support them.
Its that simple EA and Bioware crossed that line I'm not supporting them period.
I have plenty of games I will not suffer a second without this game.

[Astrogenesis]

Personaly I'm fine with day one DLC because generaly it is what the team have been building between the game going Gold and the final release.

However, it was the calibur of story impact that the From Ashes has on the ME universe which is causing uprise.

On the other hand, I got my CE pre-order in back in June 2011, so I'm finding it pretty hard to give a monkey's nuts about the whole situation.

Soz o.0 

[Rockworm503]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

mackan__s wrote...

I just dont cant take this discussion any more.. Gamers are a strange people .. You can pay 60 U.S. dollars for the whole game .. But not more than 10 U.S. dollars for an expansion.

Collector's edition includes DLC, and has said that it should be done so in months .. so why hasn't nobody ordered it before?

sigh*

They're not uppity for an expansion. They're uppity over a NPC. Who is vitually useless as no one will bring him into combat.

It's called false entitlement, a deadly disease that is rapidly spreading among the gamers. We don't know who "Patient Zero" is, but we have to quarientine this people and find a cure. Otherwise the entire gamer subculture will choke out and die.

I swear entitlement is going to be the new meme.
You people have the gall to expect a full game when you buy it??? ENTITLEMENT?
Now say it with Sandal's voice ENTITLEMENT?