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[GME_ThorianCreeper]

Just go to this thread

http://social.biowar...3/index/9403705

Its a little bit off the rails but it's where all the people go to whine.

[ganthet2000]

Rockworm503 wrote...

ganthet2000 wrote...

You know I think this is a mot point. Why make yourself suffer not playing a game that you love just cause of some 10 dollar DLC. I for one am a gamer, I don't have a ton of money to through around. But 10 bucks is not that bad. If you think this is bad you should play broad games or pencil and paper RPGs. 30 bucks an add on is a lot worse. Look if you want to play the game do so. If you think they 10 dollar DLC is an insult fine don't buy the game, but realize that you are making yourself suffer and not EA. They have money rolling in off other games and they won't feel it that much.

LOL my enjoyment in life doesn't begin and end with this game.
I can afford the DLC.
Thats not the point.
I drew a line that should any game company cross than I shall not support them.
Its that simple EA and Bioware crossed that line I'm not supporting them period.
I have plenty of games I will not suffer a second without this game.

Then why complian endlessly about it? You drew the line they went over it fine,but why try to mess with others enjoyment of the game. I have paid for it and will pick it up and play it a lot and enjoy the heck out of it. Does it suck that they are doing day one DLC? Sure it sucks.  But if you think you are hurting them that much or your oppinion matters you are mistaken. They will keep on truckin and keep on doing this.

[JosephCurwen]

ganthet2000 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

ganthet2000 wrote...

You know I think this is a mot point. Why make yourself suffer not playing a game that you love just cause of some 10 dollar DLC. I for one am a gamer, I don't have a ton of money to through around. But 10 bucks is not that bad. If you think this is bad you should play broad games or pencil and paper RPGs. 30 bucks an add on is a lot worse. Look if you want to play the game do so. If you think they 10 dollar DLC is an insult fine don't buy the game, but realize that you are making yourself suffer and not EA. They have money rolling in off other games and they won't feel it that much.

LOL my enjoyment in life doesn't begin and end with this game.
I can afford the DLC.
Thats not the point.
I drew a line that should any game company cross than I shall not support them.
Its that simple EA and Bioware crossed that line I'm not supporting them period.
I have plenty of games I will not suffer a second without this game.

Then why complian endlessly about it? You drew the line they went over it fine,but why try to mess with others enjoyment of the game. I have paid for it and will pick it up and play it a lot and enjoy the heck out of it. Does it suck that they are doing day one DLC? Sure it sucks.  But if you think you are hurting them that much or your oppinion matters you are mistaken. They will keep on truckin and keep on doing this.

How exactly could somebody saying something like that interfere with your enjoyment of this game? The only reason I can see why this might happen is if there is a little nagging voice in your head telling you that you know that this guy is right.

[AJRimmsey]

ganthet2000 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

ganthet2000 wrote...

You know I think this is a mot point. Why make yourself suffer not playing a game that you love just cause of some 10 dollar DLC. I for one am a gamer, I don't have a ton of money to through around. But 10 bucks is not that bad. If you think this is bad you should play broad games or pencil and paper RPGs. 30 bucks an add on is a lot worse. Look if you want to play the game do so. If you think they 10 dollar DLC is an insult fine don't buy the game, but realize that you are making yourself suffer and not EA. They have money rolling in off other games and they won't feel it that much.

LOL my enjoyment in life doesn't begin and end with this game.
I can afford the DLC.
Thats not the point.
I drew a line that should any game company cross than I shall not support them.
Its that simple EA and Bioware crossed that line I'm not supporting them period.
I have plenty of games I will not suffer a second without this game.

Then why complian endlessly about it? You drew the line they went over it fine,but why try to mess with others enjoyment of the game. I have paid for it and will pick it up and play it a lot and enjoy the heck out of it. Does it suck that they are doing day one DLC? Sure it sucks.  But if you think you are hurting them that much or your oppinion matters you are mistaken. They will keep on truckin and keep on doing this.

this is just a misunderstanding between you and him,where you chose to go the insulting route.

he doesnt understand why you are so easy about taking it up the wrong un without a peep.
and
you dont understand he has standards and self esteem that cause him to get irked when someone trys taking him up the wrong un

maybe he earns his money and values it more
maybe you get it as an allowance
you need to understand that earned money has more value than daddys charity

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

mackan__s wrote...

I just dont cant take this discussion any more.. Gamers are a strange people .. You can pay 60 U.S. dollars for the whole game .. But not more than 10 U.S. dollars for an expansion.

Collector's edition includes DLC, and has said that it should be done so in months .. so why hasn't nobody ordered it before?

sigh*

They're not uppity for an expansion. They're uppity over a NPC. Who is vitually useless as no one will bring him into combat.

It's called false entitlement, a deadly disease that is rapidly spreading among the gamers. We don't know who "Patient Zero" is, but we have to quarientine this people and find a cure. Otherwise the entire gamer subculture will choke out and die.

I swear entitlement is going to be the new meme.
You people have the gall to expect a full game when you buy it??? ENTITLEMENT?
Now say it with Sandal's voice ENTITLEMENT?

What? You say you can't complete the game without Prothy? Even though he does nothing and your main group is Garrus and Liara? By God, you DESERVE that waste of memory. After all, you paid money that one time. Money means you get whatever you want for the rest of your life. Did you pay money for that candy bar? You deserve everything in that vending machine then. For FREEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Now say that in Rob Schnider's voice For FREEEEEEEEEEEE!

[foo man chew]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

mackan__s wrote...

I just dont cant take this discussion any more.. Gamers are a strange people .. You can pay 60 U.S. dollars for the whole game .. But not more than 10 U.S. dollars for an expansion.

Collector's edition includes DLC, and has said that it should be done so in months .. so why hasn't nobody ordered it before?

sigh*

They're not uppity for an expansion. They're uppity over a NPC. Who is vitually useless as no one will bring him into combat.

It's called false entitlement, a deadly disease that is rapidly spreading among the gamers. We don't know who "Patient Zero" is, but we have to quarientine this people and find a cure. Otherwise the entire gamer subculture will choke out and die.

I swear entitlement is going to be the new meme.
You people have the gall to expect a full game when you buy it??? ENTITLEMENT?
Now say it with Sandal's voice ENTITLEMENT?

What? You say you can't complete the game without Prothy? Even though he does nothing and your main group is Garrus and Liara? By God, you DESERVE that waste of memory. After all, you paid money that one time. Money means you get whatever you want for the rest of your life. Did you pay money for that candy bar? You deserve everything in that vending machine then. For FREEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Now say that in Rob Schnider's voice For FREEEEEEEEEEEE!

Thats a horrible anology.Comes across very childish.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

foo man chew wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

mackan__s wrote...

I just dont cant take this discussion any more.. Gamers are a strange people .. You can pay 60 U.S. dollars for the whole game .. But not more than 10 U.S. dollars for an expansion.

Collector's edition includes DLC, and has said that it should be done so in months .. so why hasn't nobody ordered it before?

sigh*

They're not uppity for an expansion. They're uppity over a NPC. Who is vitually useless as no one will bring him into combat.

It's called false entitlement, a deadly disease that is rapidly spreading among the gamers. We don't know who "Patient Zero" is, but we have to quarientine this people and find a cure. Otherwise the entire gamer subculture will choke out and die.

I swear entitlement is going to be the new meme.
You people have the gall to expect a full game when you buy it??? ENTITLEMENT?
Now say it with Sandal's voice ENTITLEMENT?

What? You say you can't complete the game without Prothy? Even though he does nothing and your main group is Garrus and Liara? By God, you DESERVE that waste of memory. After all, you paid money that one time. Money means you get whatever you want for the rest of your life. Did you pay money for that candy bar? You deserve everything in that vending machine then. For FREEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Now say that in Rob Schnider's voice For FREEEEEEEEEEEE!

Thats a horrible anology.Comes across very childish.

Did you read the OP? Because that's what she was asking for. But I figured no one would read it if it didn't involve Prothy in any way.

[Legendaryred]

Everyone is free to do whatever they want. Coming here to rant on the forums is pointless. You won't change anybody's opinion or way of view. Plus nothing will change because the majority of people will buy the DLC and any DLC even if it's day 1.

[Ji99saw]

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Lady Niltiak wrote...

Newsflash sweetheart: Nothing is free. The whole damn world is quid pro quo.

Sunlight, fresh air, an amazing universe, true friendship, family, comfort, love, happiness, ideas, torrents, etc.

Plenty of free stuff in this world. In fact, everything could be free if we as a society really wanted to, if we educated ourselves and others that we work for our own happiness and that of others rather than for money. But hey, some people just don't want to accept that this is possible, and that's why we live in a ****ty world where every tries to rip you off because that's the way the game is played.

And like I said before: I don't think this is about the money, but rather about how this was done. Important content was cut from the game with the eye to sell it to us for more. If they had made the game just five or ten bucks more expensive, only the people who really don't want multiplayer would have complained (attributing the increased price to that feature). Or perhaps they could've let people choose between multiplayer and the squaddie when getting the game, making the other five bucks (really, what is with the ten bucks prices? so bloody expensive...)

Absurd, everything cost something it doesn't always have to be monetary it could cost time or energy which is just as important. Right now I'm posting on this forum when I could be studying for A&P class but thats opportunity cost. (Just food for thought)

[Clayless]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Free, arguably not free as fresh air is hard to come by, have fun with the universe, not free, not free, not free, not free, not free, free but costs money to achieve, free but mostly illegal.

That was fun.

It really is fun knowing that alll of those are in fact free.
You're telling me your family charges you money to see them?
You're friends?
Comfort?  I got my bed for free.
I'm happiest when I'm sleeping.... sleep is free.
your ideas aren't free?

It really is fun when you realize you didn't even read what you responded to 

You're naive if you think any of those are actually free, and I'd love to live your cosy little life. Maybe true friendship to an extent, but everything else, especially your comfort, certainly isn't free.  Ideas are, but the execution of them aren't.

[Rockworm503]

ganthet2000 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

ganthet2000 wrote...

You know I think this is a mot point. Why make yourself suffer not playing a game that you love just cause of some 10 dollar DLC. I for one am a gamer, I don't have a ton of money to through around. But 10 bucks is not that bad. If you think this is bad you should play broad games or pencil and paper RPGs. 30 bucks an add on is a lot worse. Look if you want to play the game do so. If you think they 10 dollar DLC is an insult fine don't buy the game, but realize that you are making yourself suffer and not EA. They have money rolling in off other games and they won't feel it that much.

LOL my enjoyment in life doesn't begin and end with this game.
I can afford the DLC.
Thats not the point.
I drew a line that should any game company cross than I shall not support them.
Its that simple EA and Bioware crossed that line I'm not supporting them period.
I have plenty of games I will not suffer a second without this game.

Then why complian endlessly about it? You drew the line they went over it fine,but why try to mess with others enjoyment of the game. I have paid for it and will pick it up and play it a lot and enjoy the heck out of it. Does it suck that they are doing day one DLC? Sure it sucks.  But if you think you are hurting them that much or your oppinion matters you are mistaken. They will keep on truckin and keep on doing this.

How is my talking about it in the forums ruining your fun?

IF thats all it takes than whose really suffereing?

[nici2412]

Amikae wrote...

I'm going to start with the fact, that I have cancelled my ME3 preorder. It was the only thing I could do to show BioWare, that I disagree with what they did on the 'From Ashes' DLC. I am not against paid DLC, especially such as the 'From Ashes', 'Shadow Broker', 'Kasumi' and 'Overlord'. If 'From Ashes' was released post launch, I think it would have been ok. But that's not what I want to discuss.

'From Ashes' and what they did with is something every gamer out there should be concerned, but I think what's more important is the situation with cosmetic DLC's. Stuff like guns, armors and skins, or even the Genesis DLC. Right now Alternate Appearance Pack 1 and 2 + Firepower Pack + Aegis Pack + Equalizer Pack + Genesis = 1120 MS Points = about 15$ = 1/4 the price of Mass Effect 3. For 15 $ you get an interactive comic, 6 skins and a few guns/armors. What?

Every cosmetic DLC out there should be FREE. It adds polish to the game, nothing more. Nothing can justify such paid DLC's. It's something companies should do to please their customers. Let's be reasonable. 15$ for 6 skins, a 15 minute interactive comic, that's just a small port from the PS3 and a few items. Not a character, not a new planet. 15$ should equal about 10+ hours of solid content.

I know the BioWare Def Force will jump on me now. People will tell me, that it's cheap and no one cares about 15$. It's not about the 15$, it's about where things are going. Back in the days buying games was much more exciting because we knew, that what we bought was the final work of the said dev. Even if the game flopped, we knew that they gave their best and we got the whole package. Right now, you buy Mass Effect 2 or 3, and the excitement is hampered even before launch, because you know that there are bits and pieces missing. Mass Effect 2 was critisicized about the horrible itemization. And they showed us, that they can adress it by creating additional items and skins... but not for free.

Where do we go from here? In what state are games going to be sold 5 years from now? Is this really how we want things to go down? Are we really ok with this? Having to pay 7$ for Arrival is fine, having to pay 2 $ for a sniper rifle is NOT. 

I agree.  While I'm addicted to Mass Effect and won't  abandon the game, I found another way of showing Bioware/EA their dlc politics is not acceptable for me. Just cancelled my SWTOR sub few days ago and when asked about the reasons I mentioned (in additon to other reasons) that I can't support such a greedy  company. Like someone mentioned before, it's getting worse each year. Mainly because of the customers doing nothing against it( including me with ME)

PS: I'm absolutely fine with dlc like LOTSB oder Arrivel being developed after the release of the game(althought I miss the good old expansions).  But I'm not fine with  fee required day 1 dlc.

Modifié par nici2412, 26 février 2012 - 11:28 .

[Daywalker315]

In fairness (and it may have been mentioned already since I only read pages 1 and 6), you could have still bought the game and boycotted the DLC. That does send a message as well that you don't agree with their policies on DLC. Not buying the game at all to me just sends the message that you aren't that big a fan to begin with and are just mad because the DLC included with the CE is actually something semi-worthwhile (though not as important as most seem to think it is) instead of some crap human squad mate. Either way, this is not the end of the world and one single piece of DLC at launch does not make BioWare a greedy, lying, cheating company. Your argument fails to anyone with common sense and a knowledge of how business works.

[JosephCurwen]

nici2412 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

I'm going to start with the fact, that I have cancelled my ME3 preorder. It was the only thing I could do to show BioWare, that I disagree with what they did on the 'From Ashes' DLC. I am not against paid DLC, especially such as the 'From Ashes', 'Shadow Broker', 'Kasumi' and 'Overlord'. If 'From Ashes' was released post launch, I think it would have been ok. But that's not what I want to discuss.

'From Ashes' and what they did with is something every gamer out there should be concerned, but I think what's more important is the situation with cosmetic DLC's. Stuff like guns, armors and skins, or even the Genesis DLC. Right now Alternate Appearance Pack 1 and 2 + Firepower Pack + Aegis Pack + Equalizer Pack + Genesis = 1120 MS Points = about 15$ = 1/4 the price of Mass Effect 3. For 15 $ you get an interactive comic, 6 skins and a few guns/armors. What?

Every cosmetic DLC out there should be FREE. It adds polish to the game, nothing more. Nothing can justify such paid DLC's. It's something companies should do to please their customers. Let's be reasonable. 15$ for 6 skins, a 15 minute interactive comic, that's just a small port from the PS3 and a few items. Not a character, not a new planet. 15$ should equal about 10+ hours of solid content.

I know the BioWare Def Force will jump on me now. People will tell me, that it's cheap and no one cares about 15$. It's not about the 15$, it's about where things are going. Back in the days buying games was much more exciting because we knew, that what we bought was the final work of the said dev. Even if the game flopped, we knew that they gave their best and we got the whole package. Right now, you buy Mass Effect 2 or 3, and the excitement is hampered even before launch, because you know that there are bits and pieces missing. Mass Effect 2 was critisicized about the horrible itemization. And they showed us, that they can adress it by creating additional items and skins... but not for free.

Where do we go from here? In what state are games going to be sold 5 years from now? Is this really how we want things to go down? Are we really ok with this? Having to pay 7$ for Arrival is fine, having to pay 2 $ for a sniper rifle is NOT. 

I agree.  While I'm addicted to Mass Effect and won't  abandon the game, I found another way of showing Bioware/EA their dlc politics is not acceptable for me. Just cancelled my SWTOR sub few days ago and when asked about the reasons I mentioned (in additon to other reasons) that I can't support such a greedy  company. Like someone mentioned before, it's getting worse each year. Mainly because of the customers doing nothing against it( including me with ME)

It get's easier. I must have sunk 200+ hours into the first two Mass Effect games and even after DA2 I was still really looking forward to ME3.

Then the Origin issue came to light and that had me waivering; now we've had the whole "From Ashes" revelation and that's left such a bad taste in my mouth I doubt I'll even miss the game anymore. Maybe if one day in the future it becomes available on steam and I see it in a sale I may still buy it, but in the meantime, I can honestly say that I can take it or leave it.

[Aulis Vaara]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

You're naive if you think any of those are actually free, and I'd love to live your cosy little life. Maybe true friendship to an extent, but everything else, especially your comfort, certainly isn't free.  Ideas are, but the execution of them aren't.

That sounds like an incredibly depressing world view.

Also, you know you can be perfect comfortable in a tree just talking to someone, right? Not to mention that putting effort into something isn't always a cost. That can be equally fun as anything else.

But I won't force you to be happy or anything

[HookersandBlow]

 The fact is that if it sells then it will be made.  Hell look at Tf2, an entire economy built upon hats.  What I would like to see is dlc being packaged at a discount group rather than retaining the initial price.  For Overlord, Kasumi, Arrival and Shadow Broker the entire package costs more than the full game.

DLC is here to stay until people stop purchasing, or when the content actually detracts from the main experience.  I imagine the prothean squad member will play as just another tool in your army, and he will be quickly forgotten when playing the game out of box.  DLC is a bit pricy in comparison to the amount of content, but I would blame your fellow gamer for supporting the business model rather than the creator.  

[Clayless]

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

You're naive if you think any of those are actually free, and I'd love to live your cosy little life. Maybe true friendship to an extent, but everything else, especially your comfort, certainly isn't free.  Ideas are, but the execution of them aren't.

That sounds like an incredibly depressing world view.

Also, you know you can be perfect comfortable in a tree just talking to someone, right? Not to mention that putting effort into something isn't always a cost. That can be equally fun as anything else.

But I won't force you to be happy or anything

He means comfort in life. Saying I sat in a tree once and it wasn't too bad is much different from I feel comfortable in my general day-to-day life.

I'm happy right now, I'm just not as naive to think that happiness and all those things he listed are free.

[Rockworm503]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Free, arguably not free as fresh air is hard to come by, have fun with the universe, not free, not free, not free, not free, not free, free but costs money to achieve, free but mostly illegal.

That was fun.

It really is fun knowing that alll of those are in fact free.
You're telling me your family charges you money to see them?
You're friends?
Comfort?  I got my bed for free.
I'm happiest when I'm sleeping.... sleep is free.
your ideas aren't free?

It really is fun when you realize you didn't even read what you responded to 

You're naive if you think any of those are actually free, and I'd love to live your cosy little life. Maybe true friendship to an extent, but everything else, especially your comfort, certainly isn't free.  Ideas are, but the execution of them aren't.

Naive?  maybe but I prefer to think of it as lucky.  My family and friends are unconditional.  I don't have pay them to stick around.  If your talking about feeding them well I don't have kids of my own and my current job is to static to provide.  Like I said i been lucky.  As for comfort that is free and I'm not just talking about my bed you can find comfort anywhere if you're willing to look.
You're just talking semantics at this point.

[nitefyre410]

I don't like the notion  at all that characters are now collectors edition  incentives and then day 1 dlc to brought. 
 I don't like the  story that Bioware is passing as to way  this was handled the way it.  True or not there has been too much double take  and disavowing and conforming in the past.

So as a consumer  from  Marcth 6th  forward.. I will not  be purchasing Bioware games new anymore.

Bioware is entitled to do what they want as buisness but they are not entitled to his have my money.  This whole deal feels like a move to get  an extra 10 bucks out me..

"Prothean day 1 DLC .. get him while his hot.. "
"OMG I gotta... wait a minute. "  

So  I'll just pass... my money, my choice... I don't like how this was done...I don't like the message that it sends the customers. It feels like a test by EA to see  how far they can push things...  Yeah...I'll do believe I'll keep that $10

Instead might just get me a Chipotle Burrito. with some Tabasco Chipotle hot sause...

[JosephCurwen]

HookersandBlow wrote...

 The fact is that if it sells then it will be made.  Hell look at Tf2, an entire economy built upon hats.  What I would like to see is dlc being packaged at a discount group rather than retaining the initial price.  For Overlord, Kasumi, Arrival and Shadow Broker the entire package costs more than the full game.

As an aside I would like to point out that I bought all that DLC. Some of it offered better value than others, but I made my own decision to buy it based on my love of the game and that's exactly how things should be. I am in no way opposed to DLC.

Parts of a game's gameplay being made before release and reserved for an additional charge on day one is a very different animal.

[nitefyre410]

Rockworm503 wrote...

*snip*

\\

Naive?  maybe but I prefer to think of it as lucky.  My family and friends are unconditional.  I don't have pay them to stick around.  If your talking about feeding them well I don't have kids of my own and my current job is to static to provide.  Like I said i been lucky.  As for comfort that is free and I'm not just talking about my bed you can find comfort anywhere if you're willing to look.
You're just talking semantics at this point.

  

Semantics yeah but more so his view on things in life... all can I do is just SMH.... can't much more.. doubt words would be much help anyway.  

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

You're
naive if you think any of those are actually free, and I'd love to live
your cosy little life. Maybe true friendship to an extent, but
everything else, especially your comfort, certainly isn't free.  Ideas
are, but the execution of them aren't.

That sounds like an incredibly depressing world view.

Also,
you know you can be perfect comfortable in a tree just talking to
someone, right? Not to mention that putting effort into something isn't
always a cost. That can be equally fun as anything else.

But I won't force you to be happy or anything

 

ahh the simple things in life got to take time just  apperciate  the simpe things  ^^ 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 26 février 2012 - 11:50 .

[nici2412]

Hotdog3D wrote...

I agree with the OP. Something has to be done against all this DLC bullcrap or we'll end up paying twice the price of the game to get full experience in few years.
Started with some horse-armour crap and now we get entire character and his story cut out of the game, it's getting worse every year.

I've played Final Fantasy X and XIII-2 in den the last months. While there was a "monsterfarm" in Final Fantasy X with dozens of extra strong monsters you can fight against and several optional rare enemys like the black bestias, Square Enix created in Final Fantasy XIII  an empty colloseum  which will be filled with fee required dlc monsters in den next months.
So all this extra monsters, which were part of nearly every Final Fantasy are gone and were replaced with dlc. I think this descripes how the development of games changes to get some extra money with dlc. And I predict it will get worse in the next years.Till the customers say "here and no further"

Modifié par nici2412, 26 février 2012 - 11:51 .

[Rockworm503]

nitefyre410 wrote...



I don't like the notion  at all that characters are now collectors edition  incentives and then day 1 dlc to brought. 
 I don't like the  story that Bioware is passing as to way  this was handled the way it.  True or not there has been too much double take  and disavowing and conforming in the past.

So as a consumer  from  Marcth 6th  forward.. I will not  be purchasing Bioware games new anymore.

Bioware is entitled to do what they want as buisness but they are not entitled to his have my money.  This whole deal feels like a move to get  an extra 10 bucks out me..

"Prothean day 1 DLC .. get him while his hot.. "
"OMG I gotta... wait a minute. "  

So  I'll just pass... my money, my choice... I don't like how this was done...I don't like the message that it sends the customers. It feels like a test by EA to see  how far they can push things...  Yeah...I'll do believe I'll keep that $10

Instead might just get me a Chipotle Burrito. with some Tabasco Chipotle hot sause...

I think it says more about the consumers when they are not only willing but are angry at those who aren't.

[nitefyre410]

Rockworm503 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
*snip*

I think it says more about the consumers when they are not only willing but are angry at those who aren't.

 

What you just said - that very fact speaks volumes and is sad conmmentry  in of itself.

[TFulls]

Amikae wrote...

I'm going to start with the fact, that I have cancelled my ME3 preorder. It was the only thing I could do to show BioWare, that I disagree with what they did on the 'From Ashes' DLC. I am not against paid DLC, especially such as the 'From Ashes', 'Shadow Broker', 'Kasumi' and 'Overlord'. If 'From Ashes' was released post launch, I think it would have been ok. But that's not what I want to discuss.

'From Ashes' and what they did with is something every gamer out there should be concerned, but I think what's more important is the situation with cosmetic DLC's. Stuff like guns, armors and skins, or even the Genesis DLC. Right now Alternate Appearance Pack 1 and 2 + Firepower Pack + Aegis Pack + Equalizer Pack + Genesis = 1120 MS Points = about 15$ = 1/4 the price of Mass Effect 3. For 15 $ you get an interactive comic, 6 skins and a few guns/armors. What?

Every cosmetic DLC out there should be FREE. It adds polish to the game, nothing more. Nothing can justify such paid DLC's. It's something companies should do to please their customers. Let's be reasonable. 15$ for 6 skins, a 15 minute interactive comic, that's just a small port from the PS3 and a few items. Not a character, not a new planet. 15$ should equal about 10+ hours of solid content.

I know the BioWare Def Force will jump on me now. People will tell me, that it's cheap and no one cares about 15$. It's not about the 15$, it's about where things are going. Back in the days buying games was much more exciting because we knew, that what we bought was the final work of the said dev. Even if the game flopped, we knew that they gave their best and we got the whole package. Right now, you buy Mass Effect 2 or 3, and the excitement is hampered even before launch, because you know that there are bits and pieces missing. Mass Effect 2 was critisicized about the horrible itemization. And they showed us, that they can adress it by creating additional items and skins... but not for free.

Where do we go from here? In what state are games going to be sold 5 years from now? Is this really how we want things to go down? Are we really ok with this? Having to pay 7$ for Arrival is fine, having to pay 2 $ for a sniper rifle is NOT. 

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