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[Jasons073]

Just out of curiosity, how epic is Alistair's hissyfit when you choose to spare Loghain at the Landsmeet? I wasn't sure how Loghain would be auto-leveled and I built Alistair to be a perfect tank so I didn't try it for fear of having to replace him with someone possibly less skilled.  Just curious.....

[BringwinD]

He leaves your party.

[Gaviteros]

Pretty intense.

[ComTrav]

Loghain also forgets to bring a helmet with his otherwise very good armor set.

[Frostaxt]

Well Loghain´s equipment sucked in my opinion (His longsword was a tier one (iron)...). Usually by then you have better stuff on Alistair, which means some people strip him before the Landsmeet and he has his "Hissyfit" in his underwear...

[bobsmyuncle]

It depends on if you romanced him or not, but either way it's pretty epic. If he's hardened I believe he will make a bid for the crown (if you chose Anora) in order to have Loghain executed, and Anora will have him executed instead. Otherwise he says you're besmirching the Order by allowing traitors like Loghain in and storms off. I think in this ending he becomes a crazy drunk.

[tmp7704]

The bid for the crown to get Loghain executed happens even if he's not "hardened", if the PC tries to accept Loghain into Grey Wardens. Then it's up to the PC to make the choice and if Anora gets chosen, it comes down to either boon to save him --where applicable-- or execution.

This is really a sore point for Alistair and i believe he acts out of his ideals rather than for selfish reasons (similar how the regular Alistair can break up with the PC if he's made king) ... hence no need to be "hardened" for it to happen.

Modifié par tmp7704, 25 novembre 2009 - 01:31 .

[Count Viceroy]

If you have them agree to be married however he justs leaves the grey wardens. He'll still be king and if hardened, A good one at that.

[Rhys Cordelle]

Which quest leads to Alistair becoming hardened?



I never saw the hissy fit. Didn't realise that Loghain becoming a grey warden would mean he actually joins you! So I sided with Alistair and had him executed.

[Count Viceroy]

His personal quest with his sister. Tell him afterwards that everyone is out for themselves. He'll toughen up, become more confident and actually look out for himself. An example would be if you make him king while romancing him. If he's not hardened, he'll brake it of for the sake of duty and responability where as if he's hardened he'll keep the female pc around as a mistress because he wants to. **** who thinks otherwise

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 25 novembre 2009 - 01:35 .

[cooldevo]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

It depends on if you romanced him or not, but either way it's pretty epic. If he's hardened I believe he will make a bid for the crown (if you chose Anora) in order to have Loghain executed, and Anora will have him executed instead. Otherwise he says you're besmirching the Order by allowing traitors like Loghain in and storms off. I think in this ending he becomes a crazy drunk.

I hit this ending as well.  Never thought I'd live to see a descendant of Maric executed, with all the Arl's not saying a word.  I expected them to get upset as the Arl at Redcliffe said he only wanted to see Alistair on the throne as he was a descendant of Maric.  But after his tantrum I was glad to see Alistair executed.  And that was supposed to be on my "good" character that I planned to put up with the tantrum to get Alistair on the throne married to Anora.

Modifié par cooldevo, 25 novembre 2009 - 01:35 .

[Akka le Vil]

So your character was supposed to be "good", but let a criminal escape justice and betray and execute one of his friend ?

Woah, I don't even want to think what you call "evil" :x

[cooldevo]

Oh Loghain paid his price.... he is soon to lay down his life to slay the dragon. Everyone deserves a second chance, and if Alistair wasn't so narrow-minded and focused only on revenge it would have worked out. Anora proposed the execution, so at least it wasn't my idea. Anything to stop the Blight. If Alistair can't see that past his revenge to see that I had bigger plans for Loghain to die with at least a little dignity to redeem himself, then he is not fit to be a Grey Warden. Anyone has a possibility to be redeemed, even Loghain.

The ends justify the means to Grey Wardens, so yes I was following what I believed to the the "good" road throughout the game.  They used Blood Magic in their ranks, which was even further established in Warden's Keep.  Anything to end the Blight.  It's not easy to play the game that way really..... makes you look horribly evil in some decisions, but a moral saint on others.

Modifié par cooldevo, 25 novembre 2009 - 01:54 .

[velmyn]

Akka le Vil wrote...

So your character was supposed to be "good", but let a criminal escape justice and betray and execute one of his friend ?
Woah, I don't even want to think what you call "evil" :x

Don't you know? Letting criminals off the hook and then screwing over the good guys for getting pissed off about it is the staple of justice in Dragon Age.

I'm pretty sure Hitler would be the saint among saints in DA:O

/end sarcasm.

[Creep_Show1334]

For some reason, I never had the option to find his sister, even though I accepted the quest. There was nowhere in Denerim for me to find her.

[Herr Uhl]

She should be in the house beside Wade in the market district.

[Count Viceroy]

He has to be present in your party obviously for it to trigger.

[Creep_Show1334]

Had him in my party, and I ran around the market district over and over, no house doors lit up to be enter-able. Also, the final part of Shale's storyline was not available to me until after I defeated the final boss, is it supposed to be like that?



And I suppose this forum answers another question I had, as to what recruitable character I was possibly missing, which is Loghain.

[SarEnyaDor]

As a human noble with a high persuade I didn't harden him and I became queen ... when he mentioned the kids being tough I just picked "it won't be from lack of trying" and he said "good point, good thing we got started on that early!" and he was happy about it.

[Count Viceroy]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

As a human noble with a high persuade I didn't harden him and I became queen ... when he mentioned the kids being tough I just picked "it won't be from lack of trying" and he said "good point, good thing we got started on that early!" and he was happy about it.

Being a noble is the only way to keep the romance going if you don't harden him.

[tmp7704]

cooldevo wrote...

Anything to stop the Blight. If Alistair can't see that past his revenge to see that I had bigger plans for Loghain to die with at least a little dignity to redeem himself, then he is not fit to be a Grey Warden. Anyone has a possibility to be redeemed, even Loghain.

Except it is not duty of Grey Wardens to make big plans to save anyone's dignity or redeem random murderers.

They're there to stop Blight and that's it. And getting hellbent on recruiting one sword and board guy when it means losing the support of equally capable sword and board guy (usually with better gear at this point to boot) has nothing to do with "doing what's necessary" because archdemon can be perfectly well killed without Loghain on the bandwagon.

[Count Viceroy]

has nothing to do with "doing what's necessary" because archdemon can be perfectly well killed without Loghain on the bandwagon.

Nothing is certain at that point. Every warden increases the chance of success greatly. Obviously we're not aware why just yet and if Alistair and you knew why I don't think we'd be as adamant to execute him. Riordan is aware however, and that's why he suggests it.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 25 novembre 2009 - 02:36 .

[DeFaWS]

Count Viceroy wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

As a human noble with a high persuade I didn't harden him and I became queen ... when he mentioned the kids being tough I just picked "it won't be from lack of trying" and he said "good point, good thing we got started on that early!" and he was happy about it.

Being a noble is the only way to keep the romance going if you don't harden him.

Oh OK!

Finally I get it. Couldn't understand why even my she-elf goddess of persuade could not convince him. I'll harden him up this time. Wow that sounded suggestive.

[tmp7704]

We don't know many things at that stage, indeed. But i really don't get this obsession with wanting to get Loghain on board no matter what and come hell and high water. He is just one guy with spotty track record. There's probably a dozen of better candidates for Grey Warden that could be conscripted instead of him in the Landsmeet building alone at that point, nevermind the whole Denerim.

[Count Viceroy]

Actually, he's a decorated war hero and a tactical genious. I know he's not presented as such to the player. But if you go into the codex and books, it's all there.