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[LibertarianSteel]

My current long-term Shepard is an Earth-Born Ruthless.

My character can make extremely renegade decisions, but that depends on the situation...

For example, when I stopped the Batarians from blowing up the Human colony on that planet w/ the missile, I saved the residential area not the industrial area because he is logical to know that Human lives completely outweigh the needs of the industrialism of the colony..

Or he saved the Rachni, because he didn't feel it right to completely commit genocide of a race of aliens.

Or how he was pissed to the point that he just told Saren that he was going to kill him no matter what.

Or how he saved everyone on Feros...

He has made some pretty renegade decisions though, I am going to play ME:2 through one more time so I make him a little more renegade than what he was.

[BlueMagitek]

Colonist Ruthless Renegon

Batarians, and other slave holding races/peoples (such as Asari) stand broken (and in some cases incinerated) at Shepard's feet. More about punishing the wicked.

[Haventh]

KefkaGestahl wrote...

When I was setting up my penultimate save, I really wanted to select the "ruthless" background for my paragon.  Now, I did want the paragon point bonuses, but I've always thought that the "spacer" and "war hero" backgrounds, when combined, made for a very cliche story.  However, I eventually decided against it because at several points throughout the game, characters kept referring to how I slaughtered surrendering Batarians.  I tried to brush that off, saying that it was the "fog of war" and that the public reports about what really happened had it wrong, but I never got the choice to have my Shepard deny those accusations.

So I'm just curious.  Does anybody play as a "ruthless" paragon?  How did you deal with and/or justify what happened on Torfan?

My ruthless Shepard is mix between neutral, paragon and renegade. And whenever people pointed him out as "the butcher of torfan" he simply didn't care, they weren't there, they didn't know what it was like to be stuck with the decisions.

[Cuddlezarro]

Haventh wrote...

My ruthless Shepard is mix between neutral, paragon and renegade. And whenever people pointed him out as "the butcher of torfan" he simply didn't care, they weren't there, they didn't know what it was like to be stuck with the decisions.

same with my canon shep

max renegade bar 50% paragon bar would have more if not for the fact i pick neutral options alot as well

[Gill Kaiser]

I made my Femshep Spacer/War Hero extremely Renegade.

[Repearized Miranda]

wafflez wrote...

My main shep is colonist+ruthless

Ditto!

Not that mixing + matching isn't bad; it just gives it a contradictory feel. We've all seen the P/R threads and what BW's goal of it is vs. our perceptions (whether misguided or not is debateable.)

[Backup Magus]

On the one hand, I always kind of wished the games would let you explore Shepard's personality and motivations a little more directly (though that's a tall order in a choice-driven narrative, I know), but it's interesting that with a little thought and consideration, the player can apply his own meaning to the in-game dialogue choices and morality system based partially on context and backstory. Kind of feels like a weird, existentialist style "meaning is something we impart" sort of approach.

I play a Spacer-Ruthless-Paragade, myself, for example, and look at it like this. Ultimately, I think of Shepard as being out to help people and do what's right, but he's also extremely mission-oriented, not afraid to use force, and willing to make sacrifices in pursuit of an important goal. I think it allows for some interesting dimension to the character.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Eiko Shepard



She is Spacer/Ruthless, she's paragon at heart, I've done my own little spin on the Ruthless storyline however...

She didn't intentionally/knowingly send her squad on Torfan to their deaths, it was a tactical blunder that her 2nd in command covered up with the story that she did it knowing it was the only way to win the battle...

ME2... things ain't changed much, she made a fair few 'tactical' blunders during the Suicide Mission... losing over half her squad, so yeah she is what I'd truly describe as being in the 'Numerous' scenario that one of the Default Shep's has so will be interesting to see if she is as psychologically whacked as I've RPed her out to be thus far.

[Exile Isan]

My main Shepard is a Colonist/Ruthless and a Paragade. Truth is she doesn't give two credit chits about the Batarians she killed on Torfan because of what happened on Mindoir, what she does regret is the loss of her squadmates during the fighting there and the utter disregard she felt for the loss of them at the time. She just didn't care, and after some introspection it scared the hell out of her. That she would so easily sacrifice so many lives for simple revenge, because for Sara that's what it was- plan old revenge. And it didn't change anything really, not personally anyway. Her parents were still dead and now she had a crap load more issues to deal with on top of the ones she already had. So she tries her best to do the right thing, to not lose anymore people if she can help it. She doesn't always suceed at being good (because she does have a bad temper, a smart mouth and hates being used and lied to) but she does try.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 26 février 2012 - 10:53 .

[CaptainZaysh]

KefkaGestahl wrote...

However, I eventually decided against it because at several points throughout the game, characters kept referring to how I slaughtered surrendering Batarians.  

That's not actually as bad as you think.  Soldiers aren't automatically required to accept an enemy's attempt to surrender.  If you don't have the capability to take prisoners (i.e. you're a small unit behind enemy lines on a crucial mission) you're perfectly within your rights to gun them down rather than scrub the whole mission just because Johnny Batarian's run out of ammo and he's decided he doesn't want to fight any more.

So you could RP it simply as one of those really horrible decisions a soldier has to make during warfare that it's just not worth talking about to people back home, because they'll just never understand it.

[phimseto]

I am paragon ruthless, which leads to certain decisions like sacrificing the counsel to make sure sovereign was stopped and more often than not backing Cerberus (with the base being the notable exception, I blew it up), using various renegade interrupts, etc.

Paragon/ruthless = neutral good.

[DPSSOC]

KefkaGestahl wrote...
So I'm just curious.  Does anybody play as a "ruthless" paragon?  How did you deal with and/or justify what happened on Torfan?

I have one Spacer Ruthless Paragon and I just roleplay it as an overall good person who believes in harsh justice when it comes to truly despicable crimes.  Batarians target civillians, take slaves, and on one of those few instances where the Alliance actually went on the offensive Shepard brought the hammer down hard.

[Sajuro]

My Spacer Ruthless Shepard is a paragon but slowly loses her **** after being forced to leave Kaiden (her love interest) behind on Virmire since Ashley was with the commandos and they needed help more, and then with the council grounding her and not believing her she becomes bitter and I'm planning on having her tilt renegon in ME2

[TonyTitan]

I always played my Sheps' where any interactions with his/her team...(all crew and squad members)...Shep was always 'cool' with. The Commander that loved his/her crew and wanted to be 'buddy buddy' with them all....But don't F*CK with them or Shep....or you WILL get a full on Renegade interrupt. LOL!

[phimseto]

Again, I don't think it is that complex. For a ruthless paragon, the ends ultimately justify the means. It is a pursuit of the greater good through sometimes morally and ethically grey (and sometimes black) territory.

Paragon/ruthless = neutral good.

Modifié par phimseto, 27 février 2012 - 05:56 .

[Tom Jolly]

Earth-born Ruthless. He is a savvy, calculating commander, that appreciates the the bigger picture. He is not blood-thirsty: He looks for the paragon solution whenever he believes it can be afforded; this is essential to commanding and winning loyalty. In some cases, however, the risk to the mission is too great to play nice. He sometimes sees the opportunity to strike fear into the enemy, forcing them to reconsider the cost of their hostile actions. Such was the case on Torphan, where the brutality he displayed was a move calculated to send a clear message to the Batarians.

[Veggiesofmanycolors]

Yeah, I think the Ruthless pick works well for a paragon Shepard. If you choose the paragon option when Jacob brings up Torfan Shepard will sound genuinely remorseful over what he felt he had to do.

[AnthonyF27]

My Earthborn, War Hero is paragon. My Spacer, Ruthless is a paragade. If that makes sense.  I find straight renegade to be boring.

Modifié par AnthonyF27, 27 février 2012 - 08:43 .

[incinerator950]

I find pure Paragon or Renegade to be unethical or boring.

Unfortunately the best outcomes in ME 1 were from Paragon.

[circlesixtimes]

I actually just yesterday started a new Shep with the same background! I'm playing this femshep as though her ruthless reputation is rather unfounded and actually bothers her. As a spacer she will see that the mission is accomplished, and will not trust criminals to keep their word. However, she will protect innocents whenever possible. Despite plenty of "paragon" actions many of her male superiors remain intimidated by her and call her ruthless - almost as an insult. This weighs on her emotionally and she struggles to continue to do what she believes is right given the situation.

[Lawless7225]

I went paragade, always tried to do right by the crew/squad but no promises to anyone else; dead hostages, Cathka, mercs begging to pushed out of a 300 storie window, pirates who try and nuke me.

[OmegaXI]

Well for my ruthless colonist (paragade) I play it as Shepard slowily and begrudgingly finds redemption. He's saved the council(which he doesn't repect and went out of his way to be rude to) because he felt it was the right thing to do. He finall starts on his path of redemption after Ashley calls him a traitor on horizon and meeting Samara. Through these chance meeting he slowly is becoming the Hero everyone wants. He stared into the abyss and he didn't blink.

[Alikain]

I played as a spacer / war hero/ paragon all the way from M1 to M2 but am going to change my style. since i have been so nice to the everyone and trying to warning them about the reapers and they think am a joker, it time to add ruthless to my game. besides i die once and am sure war and death changes people hehe.

[Lee T]

My paragon character is an earth born survivor, gone through too much not to try to solve problems without killing the opposition.