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[Damsel of Distress]

I'm not entirely sold that the Godspawn idea is actually Flemeths. Before you leave her hut for the first, go back and ask her about advice in general. She says something like "Beware the weakness in men's hearts. Look to no one else to destroy the Blight except yourself", though I may be remembering that wrong.

[ComTrav]

Flemeth in the very beginning also makes a big point about how the danger is far greater then the Wardens realize, suggesting that there's more then just the Blight.



(She might be referring to Loghain's impending betrayal, though.)

[Lotion Soronarr]

I consider the whole "soul of hte Archdemon kills" the WORST part of the whole Dragon Age. IT's stupid, sensless and feel like it's put there to force a heroic sacrifice or difficult choice. I hate it. HATE IT.

[Yosinava]

Firstly when Flemeth summoned demon to take refenge for her husband's murder, we have no information about a price she paid. She isn't possessed and archnemesises (in russian archdemon I wounder why?) havn't been rampaging from her contract 'till now. I think maybe this is the price she must pay or she and her childrens will be cursed or somethink. MAybe Morrigan knew it.



Also Morrigan is very concerned about her appearence. I think, maybe god child will corrupt her body somehow and that's why she don't want anybody to accompany her? Because who can protect this child better than hero grey warden who destroyed Archnemesis? Also we have a beatiful love story with Morrigan (Zevran, I so sorry ). I surely want an expansion where I could find tracks of her. It'll be great if the second part will be about the same gray warden, ho'll go in foreign lands to find Morrigan and her child. And third part about the child, who'll have a choice to save the World or to destroy it.

[Bluemax151]

Maybe it doesn't have much bearing because she only really did the voice work and isn't in charge of the writing but Kate Mulgrew already did an interview proclaiming Morrigan as "vulnerable", "innocent" "beautiful" and "accessible". She even confirms the whole possession bit that technically the robes of possession description already gives away.



Obviously Morrigan's cold hard exterior is probably a turn off for a lot of players and just a tad on the sinister side but if you're really close and/or pay attention to the inter party chat it's pretty obvious it's a facade. She's been mistreated often in her lifetime and things like trust, empathy, sympathy, benevolence, etc don't come easy to her. Her comment about Sten is a pretty good indicator of what's left of her moral compass. Sure he's a murderer, even self admittedly but even Morrigan thinks it's a shame to leave this proud creature caged and easy pickings for the dark spawn. It's not the PC job to look past her flaws though and I don't blame anyone for treating her like the pretentious cold hearted b*tch she presents herself as.



While I don't believe her intentions to be truly altruistic I severely doubt she has some seriously evil plot that is set in motion with her dark ritual.



As for whether or not the dark ritual can be canon if there is a second installment or expansion,, Why not? You're (assuming your PC was male) not the only Grey Warden that could have impregnated her story wise (possibly in secret). Doesn't mean it will happen but it could be definitely written in.

[Eonassassin]

Element CL wrote...

I don't like the god child plot line personally. It seems to cheat the story of the archdemons a little bit and waters it down. I say, after the grey warden sacrfice, an archdemon gone should be an archdemon gone. No leftovers or escapes.

Thats NORMALLY how it is, but in this case the grey warden was not sacrificed so obviously there will be a leftover piece.

[Fishy]

Anyway .. If you read about the Blight and the ancient god .. You know it's the 5TH BLIGHT and there was 7 Ancient god in TOTAL ... SO Morrigan want to save one of the remaining 2 GOD .. Because it's need to be preserved like she said..My guess's that LAST Ancient god will be some KIND of SATAN lol .. and only the Ancient god saved by Morrigan will be able to defeat him!

[Tyrf]

This is simply something I was thinking about...

Why is Morrigan considered evil for giving you a choice?

She offerred a method to save your life and gave you the option to choose. If she really wanted to be evasive, Morrigan could have simply forced you to take her along for the final battle...

If she were truly evil, would it not be easier for her to simply sleep with you and say NOTHING about the possiblity of the old god transfer, and let the killing blow take place anyway?

In fact, if she slept with the main char at any point, she would already be pregnant even without the final scene.

Perhaps she was really being sincere when she offerred you the choice?

Well, random ponderings.

Modifié par Tyrf, 26 novembre 2009 - 02:51 .

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Wasn't this archdemon formerly the dragon god of beauty? At least according to what I've read on these boards. I think that, combined with her "some things are worth preserving" speech, suggests to me that her motives aren't terribly nefarious. Preserving the soul of the god of beauty and saving the life of a valiant grey warden doesn't sound particularly evil to me.

[Eonassassin]

Suprez30 wrote...

Anyway .. If you read about the Blight and the ancient god .. You know it's the 5TH BLIGHT and there was 7 Ancient god in TOTAL ... SO Morrigan want to save one of the remaining 2 GOD .. Because it's need to be preserved like she said..My guess's that LAST Ancient god will be some KIND of SATAN lol .. and only the Ancient god saved by Morrigan will be able to defeat him!

one of the remaining 3 Gods**** (since this is the 5th blight you have to count this one in addition to the 6th and 7th) And all the ancient gods are suppose to be equal in power I think and the other 2 gods might not emerge (as archdemons) for hundreds of years. 
I think she wants to save the god to wtf pwn the chantry but my guess is as good as yours.

{Edit} just adding some stuff
I think most people think the decision of sleeping with her is evil because of her relationship with Flemmeth and she also says "this was her plan all along" I know that's the reason I declined her proposal and went down like a hero at the end of my first play through.
But the more I think about it the more I consider Morrigans proposal as the "righteous" choice. Plus I don't have to die if i accept her proposal, but thats just a bonus.

Modifié par Eonassassin, 26 novembre 2009 - 07:03 .

[Walina]

Why does everyone seem to think that Morrigan only wants that god-child so that she can possess it?

1) Maybe because she kinda say it ?

2) Maybe because that what her mother did in the past ?



Stop dreaming Morrigan is not a nun.

[MassEffect762]

Only thing going to get possessed is your wallet.



Some one is going to get played big time. Otherwise they're really wouldn't be much of a point, morrigan isn't the type to care about "the right thing".



Morrigan, Old god, PC, someone is going to eat dirt.

[Eonassassin]

Walina wrote...

Why does everyone seem to think that Morrigan only wants that god-child so that she can possess it?

1) Maybe because she kinda say it ?
2) Maybe because that what her mother did in the past ?

Stop dreaming Morrigan is not a nun.

When does she say it???? She refuses to answer when you ask her what her purpose is, and when you insist she just goes on about how the child will represent freedom and some other stuff.
Her mother did it in the past and when she finds out she goes in a defensive mode and thinks of ways to avoid being possessed, so I doubt she would do that  someone else.

[Rugaru]

Not wanting to be possessed (loss of self) and possessing someone else (gain power) are 2 totally different things...

[PMorgan18]

Remember about the possession. It only takes the body! The only reason the kid will be a god is because of the soul. If Morrigan possessed the kid it would only be the body the soul, the power thrown out the window. Lets wait for the DA Lore master to tell use in a year and a half.

[Rugaru]

I could have sworn that when they talk about the possession thing it is said that they keep the power the target has and that is why Flemeth teaches and helps her children become powerful before possessing them...

[marshalleck]

I don't know about keeping power, but it does say that the more trained the target is, the easier it is to possess them and settle in to the new body



so I think Flemeth's power transfers with her, but if the body isn't highly attuned to manipulating magic, it makes things difficult for her for a while.

[PMorgan18]

I thought she had them trained her way so its easier to take their body when she is ready to take. I can check I'm almost done with the mages tower. Still a pain in the *** 4 time through.

[cmdrsausage]

honestly I'm undecided by this part of the plot in general. Whilst i recognise that it is the 'old gods' soul which is being saved, I really think Morrigan is doing it for not entirely selfish reasons. If you know her well enough she states 'some things are worth preserving'.

Plus when you think about it from teh dragons perspective, one minute your locked underground by the zealots of the Chantry and when you come two you have been driven... oh so slightly mad.. kind of a rough deal, I think the old god herself deserve a break.

[marshalleck]

I don't see why this can't be Morrigan acting altruistically. It's not out of her character, despite what most people with short attention spans may think.

She asks you to free Sten, regardless of whether or not you will take him with you. She asks you to free Jowan, regardless of whether or not you will accept his help with Connor. She doesn't like to see people or creatures with power caged; how do you think she feels about the soul of an Old God? A powerful and ancient creature, awoken and captured by darkspawn, corrupted by their evil, and made to lead a Blight? Morrigan would very much see it as her duty, and worth her while, to 'release' an Old God back into the world, just for the sake of doing so.

There will no doubt be huge ramifications, but I think possession is at the very bottom of her list of intentions.

Not only that but with all the places this setup could lead, simple possession by Morrigan would be completely underwhelming. What a trite, boring, unimaginative resolution that would be. It would be the equivalent of going through the whole game, saving the kingdom and the world from a Blight, the Queen asks how Ferelden can ever repay you, and you say, "well, how about 7 gold pieces so I can get a burger?"

Modifié par marshalleck, 27 novembre 2009 - 04:21 .

[MassEffect762]

cmdrsausage: I thought the old gods were "put down" by the Maker for trying to power grab the makers property.



Why do I get that beowulf feeling with Morrigan.



Heros arrogance causes him to trust the demon and they shag, latter down the road the child is a big powerful dragon(old god) that nearly costs the hero everything but his shame.

[Vilegrim]

MassEffect762 wrote...

Only thing going to get possessed is your wallet.

Some one is going to get played big time. Otherwise they're really wouldn't be much of a point, morrigan isn't the type to care about "the right thing".

Morrigan, Old god, PC, someone is going to eat dirt.

she cares aabout achieving her objectives, and she cares about the PC (romance line ofc) that complicated matters for her and she appears to hate herself for it.  Her objective however appears to be destroying the blight, now how she wants to go about it makes a strange kind of sense, who better to oppose an archdemon, and keep the blight down than a pure Old God, an Old God moreover that would be a banner around all those that hate the chantry could rally, an Old God that would pull in the Tevinter Imperium to it's side, reminding them of what once was, mages would be free indeed, the Templars would no longer be able to hunt apostates, no longer able to kidnap children and force possesion on them as a final exam, no more souless automatons called tranquil being made.  But the price of this freedom remains to be seen, is it worth it? 

[MassEffect762]

Vilegrim wrote...

MassEffect762 wrote...

Only thing going to get possessed is your wallet.

Some one is going to get played big time. Otherwise they're really wouldn't be much of a point, morrigan isn't the type to care about "the right thing".

Morrigan, Old god, PC, someone is going to eat dirt.

she cares aabout achieving her objectives, and she cares about the PC (romance line ofc) that complicated matters for her and she appears to hate herself for it.  Her objective however appears to be destroying the blight, now how she wants to go about it makes a strange kind of sense, who better to oppose an archdemon, and keep the blight down than a pure Old God, an Old God moreover that would be a banner around all those that hate the chantry could rally, an Old God that would pull in the Tevinter Imperium to it's side, reminding them of what once was, mages would be free indeed, the Templars would no longer be able to hunt apostates, no longer able to kidnap children and force possesion on them as a final exam, no more souless automatons called tranquil being made.  But the price of this freedom remains to be seen, is it worth it? 

Very interesting theory, BUT we don't know WHAT her objectives really are.

What you said would paint morrigan as a liberator working for the greater good, that just doesn't sound like Morrigan. Perhaps the little child wanting to get out sure but not the arrogant cynic we have come to know.

[Vilegrim]

MassEffect762 wrote...




Very interesting theory, BUT we don't know WHAT her objectives really are.

What you said would paint morrigan as a liberator working for the greater good, that just doesn't sound like Morrigan. Perhaps the little child wanting to get out sure but not the arrogant cynic we have come to know.

no, for greater freedom, that is not necessarily  the same thing.  The price of this freedom could very well be huge, Morrigan (If I am right) believes she is strong enough to pay it, but what of everyone else? Freedom doesn't equal happiness and flowers.

[MassEffect762]

Dangerous road she's taking, I doubt she's strong enough to take responsibility. *Queue* PC Warden.



This will not end well.