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[The Angry One]

I'd laugh if Morrigan's whole plan backfired and by impregnating herself with the taint, she becomes a broodmother.

Then I'd go ew.

Then I'd burn her.

[Vilegrim]

MassEffect762 wrote...

Dangerous road she's taking, I doubt she's strong enough to take responsibility. *Queue* PC Warden.

This will not end well.

or maybe,just maybe, we get to earn a happyish ending with the only character in the game who seems worth the fight to save.

[Rovay]

The Angry One wrote...

I'd laugh if Morrigan's whole plan backfired and by impregnating herself with the taint, she becomes a broodmother.
Then I'd go ew.
Then I'd burn her.

Then imagine what the theoretical reunion would look like:

Warden: "Morrigan! At last!! After all these years without you I finally... Maker's Breath!!!  WHAT THE FU...!!!??"

Morrigan: "It's all your faul!!"

[marshalleck]

The Angry One wrote...

I'd laugh if Morrigan's whole plan backfired and by impregnating herself with the taint, she becomes a broodmother.

Sounds pretty much what happens when a guy gets married and decides to have a family in the real world.

[Vansen Elamber]

My theory about Morrigan and her god child is that it was inspired by Steven Erickson's Malazan Book of the Fallen series, and specifically the character Silverfox who had several spirits of previous characters in her. I also think that even if the PC kills Flemeth that her spirit will be part of the god child as well as the old god and the darkspawn taint. I also believe that Morrigan is still being directed by Flemeth and the entire senario has been orchestrated by Flemeth. The only reason she wanted you to kill the Archdemon was so that she could have Morrigan create the god child which would see all her plans come to completion. No way the player ever would have bedded Flemeth so she used Morrigan for that purpose.

It all fits and the only thing in my mind that remains to be seen is how all of that fits into the next part of Dragon Age...just my own oppinion of course!

Modifié par Vansen Elamber, 27 novembre 2009 - 05:55 .

[Emryc]

Whatever her motives are, it's quite likely that YOU, the PC, would definately not agree with it.



I was thinking about something, relating to her ending as the power-behind-the-throne in Orlais. Here's my thesis:



She became honestly impressed by the PC. Wether or not you're a male or female, you overcame the odds many a time. You became, pretty much, the most powerful and influential being in Ferelding. You changed entire nations by deciding who gets the throne/to rule. You decided the future of pretty much -all- people in Ferelden and became the most powerful warrior/mage/rogue to boot.



And you are only a mortal who drank some Darkspawn blood.



Having witnesses those experiences, having seen and observed your actions and decisions, how powerful/influential a being could she make if it were to be an Old God in human/elven/dwarven form?



Think about that.

[marshalleck]

Emryc wrote...

Whatever her motives are, it's quite likely that YOU, the PC, would definately not agree with it.

I was thinking about something, relating to her ending as the power-behind-the-throne in Orlais. Here's my thesis:

She became honestly impressed by the PC. Wether or not you're a male or female, you overcame the odds many a time. You became, pretty much, the most powerful and influential being in Ferelding. You changed entire nations by deciding who gets the throne/to rule. You decided the future of pretty much -all- people in Ferelden and became the most powerful warrior/mage/rogue to boot.

And you are only a mortal who drank some Darkspawn blood.

Having witnesses those experiences, having seen and observed your actions and decisions, how powerful/influential a being could she make if it were to be an Old God in human/elven/dwarven form?

Think about that.

no no no, she just wants to possess god baby so she can cast a bigger fireball because thats what flemeth does and she was raised by flemeth so she will act just like flemeth, great story and characters bioware

Modifié par marshalleck, 27 novembre 2009 - 05:51 .

[The Angry One]

marshalleck wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I'd laugh if Morrigan's whole plan backfired and by impregnating herself with the taint, she becomes a broodmother.

Sounds pretty much what happens when a guy gets married and decides to have a family in the real world.

Yeah the guy gets fat and bald, it's horrible.

[Rovay]

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah the guy gets fat and bald, it's horrible.

Fortunatly he doesn't continously spawn new "family members". Or does he?

[Obadiah]

I was playing a rogue, but had tried out the Magi origin. To me, that choice for the ritual just came across way too much like another demon test from the Magi origin. Knowing Morrigan's lust for power I wasn't sure who was being tempted, the PC or Morrigan.



It just seemed crazy to give her that much power when, even at 100% approval, she wouldn't tell me what her full plan for the kid was, AND this was all Flemeth's idea.

[Vansen Elamber]

Also it would be spectacular if the character Krupe from the Malazan books could somehow be transported into the DA lore...

[Siven80]

Funny thing i just heard.



Have Morrigan and shale in my party atm and during some banter Shale asks Morrigan if she can shapeshift into a golem. She explains that to shift into something else she needs to study the creatures soul.



Thought that was interesting tbh considering the whole old-god soul into the child.



I also dont put much into Morrigan wanting to possess the kid. Restore them to save them from the Darkspawn seems plausable tho. For a reward.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Couldar wrote...

Hmm, ok it is not the old gods soul that destroys the soul of the warden. It is the corruption of the blight added to the old god, that is what eradicates the warden. A pure old god would be more likely to be able to possess a body without destroying it.

The god child is not an archdemon, the ritual that Morrigan does purifies the taint from teh archdemon making a pure old god, this pure old god then "possess" the "empty" fetus to be born later in its non corrupted new pure body.

Or so Morrigan tells you.
Personally, even my character that romanced her didn't trust her. She's a manipulator, oportunist and survivor. She has shown that she has little to no empathy, little regard for otehrs, no alturism and no regard for children. Like hell I'm gonna give my child to her to raise alone.
Honey, I love you...but NO WAY.

And frankly, the thing I belived the least of all is that the child will be unharmed. From what we learned of possesions, they don't tend to end nicely.

[ExistsAlready]

That's her point, it isn't possession.



"A Darkspawn is an empty, soulless vessel" is what Riordan says. "A day-old baby is an empty, soulless vessel" is what Morrigan implies. What happens to Connor is possession.

[SleepyBird]

I would love the idea of the old-god-child appearing in a future game IF it were possible for it to have been born regardless of anyone's character decisions. I doubt that Bioware would want to consider only one possible ending as cannon when it can be contradicted by another player's game. That just seems unfair to all but a few players.



If they had intended for the baby to be a major part in future games then they could easily have made it so that no matter which romantic coupling you choose, the result is pregnancy (except male/Zevron or female/Leliana in which case I suppose Morrigan could have seduced Alistair or Loghain), no one exactly stopped to say "wait let me just go get a condom before we get busy" in my play-through.



The fact that they make it possible to decline Morrigan's deal, resulting in death means the baby really can't be cannon without betraying a large portion of the fanbase. I really hope/believe BioWare wouldn't do that.

[Alex Savchovsky]

SleepyBird wrote...

The fact that they make it possible to decline Morrigan's deal, resulting in death means the baby really can't be cannon without betraying a large portion of the fanbase. I really hope/believe BioWare wouldn't do that.

This could be said in exactly the opposite way:
The fact that they made it possible to accept the offer, resulting in not dying means they can't simply "forget" about the baby without betraying a large portion of the fanbase.
So it is clear that they have to think of something to make both sides happy. 

[SleepyBird]

Alex Savchovsky wrote...

SleepyBird wrote...

The fact that they make it possible to decline Morrigan's deal, resulting in death means the baby really can't be cannon without betraying a large portion of the fanbase. I really hope/believe BioWare wouldn't do that.

This could be said in exactly the opposite way:
The fact that they made it possible to accept the offer, resulting in not dying means they can't simply "forget" about the baby without betraying a large portion of the fanbase.
So it is clear that they have to think of something to make both sides happy. 

Crud, you're right!  Now I'm even more curious how they can possibly resolve this in a satisfying way...  and it's going to be a long long wait...

[marshalleck]

Alex Savchovsky wrote...

SleepyBird wrote...

The fact that they make it possible to decline Morrigan's deal, resulting in death means the baby really can't be cannon without betraying a large portion of the fanbase. I really hope/believe BioWare wouldn't do that.

This could be said in exactly the opposite way:
The fact that they made it possible to accept the offer, resulting in not dying means they can't simply "forget" about the baby without betraying a large portion of the fanbase.
So it is clear that they have to think of something to make both sides happy. 

I wonder if Mass Effect 2 will give us any indirect insight into how Bioware may choose to tie up all the various plot threads. For example, the resolution to freeing (or killing) the Rachni Queen. Seems quite similar, thematically. Depending on how they handle that, we may be able to speculate just how important the god-baby will be in future DA games.

Will it mean the Rachni recover their population and become a threat to the Citadel races and their colonies? Will it somehow turn out to work in Shepard's favor? Or will it just end up as flavor text in a minor dialogue?

Modifié par marshalleck, 03 décembre 2009 - 09:24 .

[PuffyTail]

BigKevSexyMan wrote...

I disagree that it won't get picked up. Judging from what I've been reading, the morrigan/god-child angle is the most talked about post story angle there is so far.


Also, sorry about the title, I wasn't thinking about the title really, so my bad. Although it's not really a spoiler unless you already know what I'm talking about.

Not all of the talk about that plot point is positive, though.  Personally, I detest the whole "miracle baby" angle (it's a woefully overused cliche these days) and did everything possible in my playthroughs to avoid it.  Plus I've been talking to Morrigan more in recent playthroughs and really like her...I'd hate to see such a strong character swallowed up and dwarfed by mommyhood (which is typically the case when this trope is used in fiction).

Modifié par PuffyTail, 03 décembre 2009 - 09:29 .

[Korva]

The Angry One wrote...

I'd laugh if Morrigan's whole plan backfired and by impregnating herself with the taint, she becomes a broodmother.
Then I'd go ew.
Then I'd burn her.

I'd love to see that. Or her exploding in a shower of blood and giblets as the fetus re-assumes the archdemon's/old god's natural draconic form and size. Good riddance b*tch.

Frankly, I would be pissed off to no end if the god-baby became a major plot in future DA products, because it would negate player choice in a big, bad way. If the damn thing HAS to be in, fine, have Morrigan take her chosen man by force if you turn her down. I would still be pissed since I strongly dislike the baby-plan, and Morrigan, but at least it would solve the continuity problem.

Element CL wrote...

I don't like the god child plot line
personally. It seems to cheat the story of the archdemons a little bit
and waters it down.

Agreed. It just seems weird that a creature so old and powerful could be ensnared so easily. And I like heroic sacrifices, so giving a way out feels extremely cheap.

[TuringPoint]

I believe everything Morrigan says about her intentions and what the child would be. There's no reason not to, she's pretty straightforward about it. The question is, what else it could be for, in addition to the reasons she offers? I think she earnestly wants to preserve something she considers valuable.

[Messor8914]

Dude morrigan is human but she is evil since all she really cares for is power and survival. I still think there is something fishy about Morrigan after you take care of flemeth. It might be that she intends to posses it in case of flemeth's return. but then again eh i still don't trust the character

[MassEffect762]

Alocormin wrote...

I believe everything Morrigan says about her intentions and what the child would be. There's no reason not to, she's pretty straightforward about it. The question is, what else it could be for, in addition to the reasons she offers? I think she earnestly wants to preserve something she considers valuable.

That's the problem, more valuable than you the PC(If romanced/love). Normal folk wouldn't think that why. I dunno maybe, JUST MAYBE she's trying to protect you from something by leaving you.(nah)

Why would she leave you?

[RunCDFirst]

Alocormin wrote...

I believe everything Morrigan says about her intentions and what the child would be. There's no reason not to, she's pretty straightforward about it. The question is, what else it could be for, in addition to the reasons she offers? I think she earnestly wants to preserve something she considers valuable.

Maybe I got the abridged version... but Morrigan doesn't tell you what her intentions are with the child. She politely tells you it's 'none of your business.'

[MassEffect762]

RunCDFirst wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

I believe everything Morrigan says about her intentions and what the child would be. There's no reason not to, she's pretty straightforward about it. The question is, what else it could be for, in addition to the reasons she offers? I think she earnestly wants to preserve something she considers valuable.

Maybe I got the abridged version... but Morrigan doesn't tell you what her intentions are with the child. She politely tells you it's 'none of your business.'

She says the child will represent  freedom for an old god, a second chance. Something along those lines.