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[mauro2222]

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...


Well actually firstly they are not running around with a BIG rocket launcher, ME weapons are lighter than todays counterparts. I was more thinking why FemShep wasn't on par with ManShep strength. 

But if you want to go that way. Why make ManShep have muscle at all? Why not make him just slim?

You know why, it's considered "sexy" in this world today for some odd reason.

Not by all. I for one don't think he looks sexy. As a straight male I don't look at him sexually, but I can compare him with what I want to be, and he doesn't look sexy at all to me.

Uh nope, you are doing it. Everyone does.

[Sashimi_taco]

Butthead11 wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

A) i didn't make any mention of Bulemeia in what you quoted...i barley said anything. 
i didn't mention you and did not make fun of you in anway....

For point a i was talking to slothful koala to let him know facts about EDs. And for point b, you said "trigger girls". 

....Seriously? 

Well i did not mean to offended by using that term, i don't see how it can be perceived as making fun of you though. 

Well you either must be trying to push my buttons or are just completely unable to understand the gravity of the situation. 

I understand you have a serious disorder and so do many others that is harsh to deal with. 

But i don't think the situation of femshep being skinny has any real gravity to it. 

If femshep being shown as a physically strong woman who other women look up to, but then is shown with defined bones and little muscle, how am I supposed to recieve that? 

I and many of my friends who enjoy watching me play have eating disorders. Because there is an almost nude model in the game depicting a body that is triggering to people with eating disorders in it, I am unable to show parts of the game to my friends and I an unable to enjoy parts. That is abliesm just as much as having homophoic material in a video game woud be homophobic or having racist material in a video game be racist. 

If they are aware they have a body model that is triggering for people with ED, that is. I'm sure they are not aware of this, seeing as most people don't think about that kind of stuff when making things. 

[Butthead11]

Revan312 wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

You do realize mass effect has broken just about every basic law in nature there is right?

But a skinny military female? OVER THE LINE. 

So with your logic, manshep could be a dwarf with three arms and no legs and sprays plasma out his rectum and you'd be ok with it?

There has to be some sort of connectable logic to what the player is seeing.. The codex is specifically there to give the player a way to suspend disbelief concerning the ridiculous space magic on display. Man shep looks like he could hold his own, femshep no.. Physical body image is a natural human concept, and the image of femshep, looking like a Calvin Klein model from the mid 90's does nothing but make players go "Wha?"

Skinny female requires the same disbelief that a dwarf with three arms and no legs? I don't think so.

And there is no logic to what the player is seeing all the time in mass effect. Mass relays are in no way beliveeable nor are biotics, nor are the laser guns and black whole generatos shepard carriers around. 

[fropas]

Rockworm503 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

I'm trying to compltley respectful of her issue, but at the same time i disagree with her opinion that there's something wrong with the way fem shep was designed.

Because a woman like that is implausibly skinny for what she does in her career.

You do realize mass effect has broken just about every basic law in nature there is right?

But a skinny military female? OVER THE LINE. 

Suspension of disbelief can only go so far. She's almost anorexic.

Oh hai there floating jelly fish who talk without mouths how you doing?
Hey its over the top all female sex smurf ladys and the girl who looks a little thin is the thing that ruins your suspension of disbelief 

Just goes to show just how disturbingly skinny Fem Shep is. But hey that's what BW thinks is attractive, so let's not criticize them.

[movieguyabw]

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...


Well actually firstly they are not running around with a BIG rocket launcher, ME weapons are lighter than todays counterparts. I was more thinking why FemShep wasn't on par with ManShep strength. 

But if you want to go that way. Why make ManShep have muscle at all? Why not make him just slim?

You know why, it's considered "sexy" in this world today for some odd reason.

Not by all. I for one don't think he looks sexy. As a straight male I don't look at him sexually, but I can compare him with what I want to be, and he doesn't look sexy at all to me.

That's still the point.  He represents the male ideal.    The phrase
"Women want him, and men want to be him" comes into play here.

This also plays into the argument with Butthead.  Male Shepard represents the male ideal.  Female Shepard, by the same logic should represent the female ideal.  However, her figure is so thin that it's triggering people with aneorexia. 

See a problem here?

[fatalfeline]

The thing that bothers me is that her body model is really different than ME1 and ME2. And not only that: it's scrawnier, and right when she's off to fight the toughest battles of her life. Why?! Can't consistency be an issue?

[BillsVengenace]

Kmead15 wrote...

BillsVengenace wrote...

Age has nothing to do with it.  Are you seriously saying the dress BioWare "designed" is better/more appropriate than any of the ones I posted? 

Better looking certainly, but they don't appear to fit the style of Mass Effect. Besides, those dresses are still much less casual than ManShep's jacket and jeans, and they don't send the same message about the character. They might be acceptable if the male shepard's version was slacks and a dress shirt. Maybe a tie.

I don't like  ManShep's clothing either.  It doesn't say "I have respect for you and myself", it says "I wait in dark tunnels waiting for my dealer to give me my dose" or "I'll stick you with this knife!"

And it's far too 21st century teenage/twenty-something BS.

Why doesn't he have a simple shirt/tie/jacket?  

A cool hat would be nice too:

Modifié par BillsVengenace, 27 février 2012 - 06:39 .

[D.Kain]

BhelShep wrote...

This a normal day at BSN? I'm finding it a bit disturbing to be honest... O.o

The thread started out so fun. Lighten up, ppl!
I have an idea, let's troll Udina!!! Usually it's Linday Lohan, never fails, but let's keep it ME-related.
Who wants to start?

But. It's. Not. Fine! 

[D.Kain]

mauro2222 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...


Well actually firstly they are not running around with a BIG rocket launcher, ME weapons are lighter than todays counterparts. I was more thinking why FemShep wasn't on par with ManShep strength. 

But if you want to go that way. Why make ManShep have muscle at all? Why not make him just slim?

You know why, it's considered "sexy" in this world today for some odd reason.

Not by all. I for one don't think he looks sexy. As a straight male I don't look at him sexually, but I can compare him with what I want to be, and he doesn't look sexy at all to me.

Uh nope, you are doing it. Everyone does.

Huh? How so? 

[Butthead11]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

A) i didn't make any mention of Bulemeia in what you quoted...i barley said anything. 
i didn't mention you and did not make fun of you in anway....

For point a i was talking to slothful koala to let him know facts about EDs. And for point b, you said "trigger girls". 

....Seriously? 

Well i did not mean to offended by using that term, i don't see how it can be perceived as making fun of you though. 

Well you either must be trying to push my buttons or are just completely unable to understand the gravity of the situation. 

I understand you have a serious disorder and so do many others that is harsh to deal with. 

But i don't think the situation of femshep being skinny has any real gravity to it. 

If femshep being shown as a physically strong woman who other women look up to, but then is shown with defined bones and little muscle, how am I supposed to recieve that? 

I and many of my friends who enjoy watching me play have eating disorders. Because there is an almost nude model in the game depicting a body that is triggering to people with eating disorders in it, I am unable to show parts of the game to my friends and I an unable to enjoy parts. That is abliesm just as much as having homophoic material in a video game woud be homophobic or having racist material in a video game be racist. 

If they are aware they have a body model that is triggering for people with ED, that is. I'm sure they are not aware of this, seeing as most people don't think about that kind of stuff when making things. 

Your supposed to receive that it's a videogame fantasy,and most of what happens is not possible in anyway. There are things that make much less sense than a strong skinny female in the game. 

[fropas]

BhelShep wrote...

This a normal day at BSN? I'm finding it a bit disturbing to be honest... O.o

The thread started out so fun. Lighten up, ppl!
I have an idea, let's troll Udina!!! Usually it's Linday Lohan, never fails, but let's keep it ME-related.
Who wants to start?

I hope Udina is wearing a Toupee in ME3. Just to show what the vain idiot looks like when he's supposed to be defending Earth .

[Rockworm503]

fropas wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

I'm trying to compltley respectful of her issue, but at the same time i disagree with her opinion that there's something wrong with the way fem shep was designed.

Because a woman like that is implausibly skinny for what she does in her career.

You do realize mass effect has broken just about every basic law in nature there is right?

But a skinny military female? OVER THE LINE. 

Suspension of disbelief can only go so far. She's almost anorexic.

Oh hai there floating jelly fish who talk without mouths how you doing?
Hey its over the top all female sex smurf ladys and the girl who looks a little thin is the thing that ruins your suspension of disbelief 

Just goes to show just how disturbingly skinny Fem Shep is. But hey that's what BW thinks is attractive, so let's not criticize them.

No it just shows that people are willing to suspend their disbelief for anything except for a slightly unnatractive body on a woman.

[Butthead11]

movieguyabw wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...


Well actually firstly they are not running around with a BIG rocket launcher, ME weapons are lighter than todays counterparts. I was more thinking why FemShep wasn't on par with ManShep strength. 

But if you want to go that way. Why make ManShep have muscle at all? Why not make him just slim?

You know why, it's considered "sexy" in this world today for some odd reason.

Not by all. I for one don't think he looks sexy. As a straight male I don't look at him sexually, but I can compare him with what I want to be, and he doesn't look sexy at all to me.

That's still the point.  He represents the male ideal.    The phrase
"Women want him, and men want to be him" comes into play here.

This also plays into the argument with Butthead.  Male Shepard represents the male ideal.  Female Shepard, by the same logic should represent the female ideal.  However, her figure is so thin that it's triggering people with aneorexia. 

See a problem here?

Who said shepard is the male ideal to everyone? 

[What a Succulent Ass]

jreezy wrote...

let's use women as an example,  a fit male is considered "sexy".

Unless he looks like a gorilla.

Then he's considered "Vega."

[D.Kain]

movieguyabw wrote...

That's still the point.  He represents the male ideal.    The phrase
"Women want him, and men want to be him" comes into play here.

This also plays into the argument with Butthead.  Male Shepard represents the male ideal.  Female Shepard, by the same logic should represent the female ideal.  However, her figure is so thin that it's triggering people with aneorexia. 

See a problem here?

I see that neither female shep nor male shep is my ideal. 

In which case I just say: ok f*ck it. I don't care, since they are not ideal, but just make them both look like what they represent atleast! Male shep looks like a soldier, no problem there, female shep doesn't, problem here.

[Clearly Balkan]

 Shepard has muscles ... hell fu*king YEAH !

[fropas]

BillsVengenace wrote...

Kmead15 wrote...

BillsVengenace wrote...

Age has nothing to do with it.  Are you seriously saying the dress BioWare "designed" is better/more appropriate than any of the ones I posted? 

Better looking certainly, but they don't appear to fit the style of Mass Effect. Besides, those dresses are still much less casual than ManShep's jacket and jeans, and they don't send the same message about the character. They might be acceptable if the male shepard's version was slacks and a dress shirt. Maybe a tie.

I don't like  ManShep's clothing either.  It doesn't say "I have respect for you and myself", it says "I wait in dark tunnels waiting for my dealer to give me my dose" or "I'll stick you with this knife!"

And it's far too 21st century teenage/twenty-something BS.

Why doesn't he have a simple shirt/tie/jacket?  

A cool hat would be nice too:

MAN! how old are you? ME is in the future. . .this is just too retro for the 22/23 century.
 
LOL wonderful posts Bill.

[D.Kain]

BhelShep wrote...

You know who's really scrawny? That Udina....

Everyone has the same body type in ME3. Udina has Shepards body

[movieguyabw]

Butthead11 wrote...

Who said shepard is the male ideal to everyone? 

Now I'm starting to feel convinced that you're trolling.

[Inquisitor Recon]

D.Kain wrote...
Everyone has the same body type in ME3. Udina has Shepards body

Future drugs.

[Sashimi_taco]

Butthead11 wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...



If femshep being shown as a physically strong woman who other women look up to, but then is shown with defined bones and little muscle, how am I supposed to recieve that? 

I and many of my friends who enjoy watching me play have eating disorders. Because there is an almost nude model in the game depicting a body that is triggering to people with eating disorders in it, I am unable to show parts of the game to my friends and I an unable to enjoy parts. That is abliesm just as much as having homophoic material in a video game woud be homophobic or having racist material in a video game be racist. 

If they are aware they have a body model that is triggering for people with ED, that is. I'm sure they are not aware of this, seeing as most people don't think about that kind of stuff when making things. 

Your supposed to receive that it's a videogame fantasy,and most of what happens is not possible in anyway. There are things that make much less sense than a strong skinny female in the game. 

You didn't read everything I said. You are not even acknowledging the albiesm. 

Edit: I also don't want to be in a fantasy work where I play as what I looked like when I did unhealthy food and exercise behaviors. 

Modifié par Sashimi_taco, 27 février 2012 - 06:46 .