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[fatalfeline]

D.Kain wrote...

BhelShep wrote...

You know who's really scrawny? That Udina....

Everyone has the same body type in ME3. Udina has Shepards body

HAHAHAAHAHAAAAA! 

[Rockworm503]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

If femshep being shown as a physically strong woman who other women look up to, but then is shown with defined bones and little muscle, how am I supposed to recieve that? 

I and many of my friends who enjoy watching me play have eating disorders. Because there is an almost nude model in the game depicting a body that is triggering to people with eating disorders in it, I am unable to show parts of the game to my friends and I an unable to enjoy parts. That is abliesm just as much as having homophoic material in a video game woud be homophobic or having racist material in a video game be racist. 

If they are aware they have a body model that is triggering for people with ED, that is. I'm sure they are not aware of this, seeing as most people don't think about that kind of stuff when making things. 

That is no more Bioware/EA's fault than Columbine is Marolyn Manson's

Modifié par Rockworm503, 27 février 2012 - 06:46 .

[fropas]

Rockworm503 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

I'm trying to compltley respectful of her issue, but at the same time i disagree with her opinion that there's something wrong with the way fem shep was designed.

Because a woman like that is implausibly skinny for what she does in her career.

You do realize mass effect has broken just about every basic law in nature there is right?

But a skinny military female? OVER THE LINE. 

Suspension of disbelief can only go so far. She's almost anorexic.

Oh hai there floating jelly fish who talk without mouths how you doing?
Hey its over the top all female sex smurf ladys and the girl who looks a little thin is the thing that ruins your suspension of disbelief 

Just goes to show just how disturbingly skinny Fem Shep is. But hey that's what BW thinks is attractive, so let's not criticize them.

No it just shows that people are willing to suspend their disbelief for anything except for a slightly unnatractive body on a MILITARY woman. (fixed)

On a Military woman yes. Sorry I'm not a big fan of her new look, considering she looked like a real military woman in the first two games--then they sexed her up for ME3.

[movieguyabw]

BhelShep wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

But. It's. Not. Fine!

fropas wrote...

I hope Udina is wearing a Toupee in ME3. Just to show what the vain idiot looks like when he's supposed to be defending Earth .

Good!!!  
Now let's keep this going!

I'd actually like to see Udina wearing a toupe and Shepard's leather jacket.  He'd be trying to look all hip and young.   And I'd laugh. 

[mauro2222]

D.Kain wrote...

Huh? How so? 

Competition.

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Not by all. I for one don't think he looks sexy. As a straight male I don't look at him sexually, but I can compare him with what I want to be, and he doesn't look sexy at all to me.

Well I know what your tastes are, D. Final Fantasy style, eh? And I'm rather the same.

I'm just saying for most, that's considered sexy.

In which case I just say: ok f*ck it. I don't care, since they are not ideal, but just make them both look like what they represent atleast! Male shep looks like a soldier, no problem there, female shep doesn't, problem here.

[Rockworm503]

fropas wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

I'm trying to compltley respectful of her issue, but at the same time i disagree with her opinion that there's something wrong with the way fem shep was designed.

Because a woman like that is implausibly skinny for what she does in her career.

You do realize mass effect has broken just about every basic law in nature there is right?

But a skinny military female? OVER THE LINE. 

Suspension of disbelief can only go so far. She's almost anorexic.

Oh hai there floating jelly fish who talk without mouths how you doing?
Hey its over the top all female sex smurf ladys and the girl who looks a little thin is the thing that ruins your suspension of disbelief 

Just goes to show just how disturbingly skinny Fem Shep is. But hey that's what BW thinks is attractive, so let's not criticize them.

No it just shows that people are willing to suspend their disbelief for anything except for a slightly unnatractive body on a MILITARY woman. (fixed)

On a Military woman yes. Sorry I'm not a big fan of her new look, considering she looked like a real military woman in the first two games--then they sexed her up for ME3.

Sexed up?
If anything they toned it down.
With all the butthurt in this thread alone jesus.
She has womanly features that make her less appealing.
Everyone can accept a Prothean not being important to the story.
Everyone can accept giant squid robots from before time was concieved trying to destroy all life in the galaxy.
But they cant accept a female lead not looking perfect.
Thats all it is.

[Butthead11]

movieguyabw wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Who said shepard is the male ideal to everyone? 

Now I'm starting to feel convinced that you're trolling.

i'm convinced you can't see others viewpoints and when someone disagrees with you, you pull the troll card. 


I don't think male shepard is my ideal body type or personality. but i'm sure some do, and bioware can't make everyone happy.  to imply that all women think femshep is a bad example of a hero is silly. 

[fropas]

movieguyabw wrote...

BhelShep wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

But. It's. Not. Fine!

fropas wrote...

I hope Udina is wearing a Toupee in ME3. Just to show what the vain idiot looks like when he's supposed to be defending Earth .

Good!!!  
Now let's keep this going!

I'd actually like to see Udina wearing a toupe and Shepard's leather jacket.  He'd be trying to look all hip and young.   And I'd laugh. 

Man that'd be hilarious. Mid-life crises Udina.

[Revan312]

Butthead11 wrote...
Skinny female requires the same disbelief that a dwarf with three arms and no legs? I don't think so.

By your logic it should, as "everything is fine"

And there is no logic to what the player is seeing all the time in mass effect. Mass relays are in no way beliveeable nor are biotics, nor are the laser guns and black whole generatos shepard carriers around. 

Which are fantastical sci-fi space magic items and effects. All of us KNOW that a woman that looks like that could never run around punching yahg's in the face and firing 50 pound shotguns. I've never seen a black hole gun. I understand that it's scientifically impossible, but the nature of their universe is thus that I can suspend disbelief for that.

Why do you think people hated Yoda fighting in the prequels (except prepubescent boys)? It's because it looked ridiculous. Lightsabers are impossible, jedi's are impossible, we all know that. But when the little green guy that used his mind to overcome physical limitations starts to jump around like a cricket on crack, it shatters your immersion completely. Seeing the semi-nude body model for femshep tainted my view of the character.  It can't be unseen. And so, I can only shake my head and roll my eyes now.

In all stories with humans, it's essential to get them right. The laws of the human body that we all perceive and understand on a daily basis need to be adhered to imo as it's one of the most fundamental and basic conceptualizations we have. Big guy = strong, shrimpy guy = weak.. etc. It's a primitive response mechanism. 

Chicks like these I could see holding their own in combat.



Not ones that look like the Olsen twins.. 

Modifié par Revan312, 27 février 2012 - 06:53 .

[D.Kain]

Butthead11 wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Who said shepard is the male ideal to everyone? 

Now I'm starting to feel convinced that you're trolling.

i'm convinced you can't see others viewpoints and when someone disagrees with you, you pull the troll card. 


I don't think male shepard is my ideal body type or personality. but i'm sure some do, and bioware can't make everyone happy.  to imply that all women think femshep is a bad example of a hero is silly. 

If you look closely, you can see that most people complaining on this thread are women. 

[Sashimi_taco]

Butthead11 wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Who said shepard is the male ideal to everyone? 

Now I'm starting to feel convinced that you're trolling.

i'm convinced you can't see others viewpoints and when someone disagrees with you, you pull the troll card. 


I don't think male shepard is my ideal body type or personality. but i'm sure some do, and bioware can't make everyone happy.  to imply that all women think femshep is a bad example of a hero is silly. 

There is a difference between not pleasing everyone and being ableist.

[movieguyabw]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

If femshep being shown as a physically strong woman who other women look up to, but then is shown with defined bones and little muscle, how am I supposed to recieve that? 

I and many of my friends who enjoy watching me play have eating disorders. Because there is an almost nude model in the game depicting a body that is triggering to people with eating disorders in it, I am unable to show parts of the game to my friends and I an unable to enjoy parts. That is abliesm just as much as having homophoic material in a video game woud be homophobic or having racist material in a video game be racist. 

If they are aware they have a body model that is triggering for people with ED, that is. I'm sure they are not aware of this, seeing as most people don't think about that kind of stuff when making things. 

That is no more Bioware/EA's fault than Columbine is Marolyn Manson's

Really, it's Bioware's decision whether or not it's their fault and they should do anything about it.  If they see our posts and decide it's an issue, they very easily can patch the game, changing the model.  If there's an uproar after the game is released and more people want them to change it, then again, it's not impossible for them to make changes.

Personally, I don't like it, and if it's triggering people already, that's not a good sign.

[fropas]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Sexed up?
If anything they toned it down.
With all the butthurt in this thread alone jesus.
She has womanly features that make her less appealing.
Everyone can accept a Prothean not being important to the story.
Everyone can accept giant squid robots from before time was concieved trying to destroy all life in the galaxy.
But they cant accept a female lead not looking perfect.
Thats all it is.

Really you don't think the new FemShep looks intentionally sexy compared to the old one?

The old FemShep didn't have as many cosmetic facial features for one (bangs, freckles, pouty lips)

But hey we obviously have different definitions of "intentionally sexy" You're free to think whatever you want. All I'm saying is that the changes BW made to her are unacceptable to me. . .it's not that I hate change, but when changes are bad I take notice.

[Inquisitor Recon]

movieguyabw wrote...
Personally, I don't like it, and if it's triggering people already, that's not a good sign.

People get set-off by stupid stuff all the time here, out of all of the reasons one may want FemShep to look a bit tougher, this "think of the children!" crap has got to be the worst.

[Monochrome Wench]

Meh. Not surprising that Femshep isn't as muscular as she should be. Looks like they are just reusing the same female models and textures for all (human and asari) female characters. So femshep gets the same body as some asari stripper cause of reuse. Not the first game to do this. Wont be the last. Skyrims reuse of the same female body across all characters was horrid. You'd get some 70yo woman with the body of a 20yo. ARGH!

Modifié par Monochrome Wench, 27 février 2012 - 06:55 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

Rockworm503 wrote...

But they cant accept a female lead not looking perfect.
Thats all it is.

I'm just going to go ahead and say it: nope.

Especially since BioWare's intention was to make her conventionally attractive (dress, arse window, and all). It's just a case of a horrid swing and miss.

...Or swing-and-launch-oneself-into-atmo-where-one-is-hit-by-a-cruise liner. You know.

[Butthead11]

Revan312 wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...
Skinny female requires the same disbelief that a dwarf with three arms and no legs? I don't think so.

By your logic it should, as "everything is fine"

And there is no logic to what the player is seeing all the time in mass effect. Mass relays are in no way beliveeable nor are biotics, nor are the laser guns and black whole generatos shepard carriers around. 

Which are fantastical sci-fi space magic items and effects. All of us KNOW that a woman that looks like that could never run around punching yahg's in the face and firing 50 pound shotguns. I've never seen a black hole gun. I understand that it's scientifically impossible, but the nature of their universe is thus that I can suspend disbelief for that.

Why do you think people hated Yoda fighting in the prequels (except prepubescent boys)? It's because it looked ridiculous. Lightsabers are impossible, jedi's are impossible, we all know that. But when the little green guy that used his mind to overcome physical limitations starts to jump around like a cricket on crack, it shatters your immersion completely. Seeing the semi-nude body model for femshep tainted my view of the character.  It can't be unseen. And so, I can only shake my head and roll my eyes now.

In all stories with humans, it's essential to get them right. The laws of the human body that we all perceive and understand on a daily basis need to be adhered to imo as it's one of the most fundamental and basic conceptualizations we have. Big guy = strong, shrimpy guy = weak.. etc. It's a primitive response mechanismm. 

Chicks like these I could see holding their own in combat.



Not ones that look like the Olsen twins.. 

I have said the current body models are fine, i was never referring to mutant dwarves. 

"All of us know that a woman like that could never run around punching a yagh in the face"
Nor could male shep, they yagh probaly weighed atleast a 1000 pounds, in a real fight any shepard would have got destroyed.
and again Bioware has already broken many basic laws of nature in the ME universe, even ones we understand on a daily basis. Like gravity.

[Kmead15]

BillsVengenace wrote...

I don't like  ManShep's clothing either.  It doesn't say "I have respect for you and myself", it says "I wait in dark tunnels waiting for my dealer to give me my dose" or "I'll stick you with this knife!"

And it's far too 21st century teenage/twenty-something BS.

Why doesn't he have a simple shirt/tie/jacket?  

A cool hat would be nice too:
*picture of hat snipped*

Maybe something like the illusive man's suit? I'd not mind a dressier set of outfits that aren't formal military clothing, but I wouldn't want all our options to be variations on that theme.

[D.Kain]

Butthead11 wrote...

I have said the current body models are fine, i was never referring to mutant dwarves. 

"All of us know that a woman like that could never run around punching a yagh in the face"
Nor could male shep, they yagh probaly weighed atleast a 1000 pounds, in a real fight any shepard would have got destroyed.
and again Bioware has already broken many basic laws of nature in the ME universe, even ones we understand on a daily basis. Like gravity.

She still looks 90% less able than Shepard, and that is a problem.

[Butthead11]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Who said shepard is the male ideal to everyone? 

Now I'm starting to feel convinced that you're trolling.

i'm convinced you can't see others viewpoints and when someone disagrees with you, you pull the troll card. 


I don't think male shepard is my ideal body type or personality. but i'm sure some do, and bioware can't make everyone happy.  to imply that all women think femshep is a bad example of a hero is silly. 

There is a difference between not pleasing everyone and being ableist.

So because you play a skinny female body type that makes Bioware an ableist? 

[What a Succulent Ass]

Monochrome Wench wrote...

You'd get some 70yo woman with the body of a 20yo. ARGH!

...Like Wynne?

>B*tches about being old
>Strip party for Sacred Ashes trials
>Grandma, what lovely ****** you have.

BioWare always reuses models. Honestly, I don't see why this is such a big deal, being nothing new.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 27 février 2012 - 06:57 .