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[oneshott14]

I just hope you can't get accidentally drawn into a relationship simply by talking to someone. I did that to Ash so many times it was sad, particularly because there was no "I just want to be friends" option like there was with Liara.

[mauro2222]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Disliking the act is not homophobic. Disliking homosexuals is. I don't see homosexuals any differently as people, but i personally find the concept of man on man off putting. Just like i'm sure some gays find the concept of man x woman off putting, but they would still treat them with the same respect they'd treat anyone else.

What's "off putting" suppossed to mean?

[Rane7685]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...

 So I'm curious. How many straight guys are going to try a gay romance option (and you cant cheat by engaging in lesbian/asari one).

How is a lesbian romance 'cheating'?

Presumably it has something to do with how heterosexual men such as myself often enjoy lesbian porn but shy away from the manlovin'. Ergo, the homosexual romance must be something that makes us uncomfortable in order to "count". Otherwise it's "cheating".

Silly, 'aint it?

Myself? Nnnope, I'm going to be enjoying the finales of those Ashley and Tali romances. 

I suppose I should clarify; men pursuing the lesbian romance option and its allure is a behaviour I know and understand. In fact if you asked a guy who he'd sleep with if he were a woman he'd go for a woman (a trite statement I know). Its 'cheating' in the sense that  already undertand that motive and am subsequently not curious about it (though feel free to talk about it if you want). Im more curious to see whether straight men (or women in another thread) would pursue a m/m romance given the option in the game

The call to refrain from talking about asari/lesbian romance was to avoid this tread being inundated with people going "errr of course Im gonna do s/s gonna nail Liara/Sam/whoever else as a femshep".  I wanted guys to engage with the central theme of the thread

[mauro2222]

The fact that "men" find lesbian sex to be attractive is for the same reason "men" found gay sex gross. And it's a silly thing

Modifié par mauro2222, 27 février 2012 - 07:48 .

[Rane7685]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Durgon Ironfist wrote...

I don't like other men. Do I need another reason? As my cousin has explained (he's gay as springtime btw) people like you make the rest of his community look like jackasses. I tend to agree with him he's a wise man, and his husband makes mean Indian food. Would you kindly go away? You're a blight!

Rene: Are you doing a m/m romance? 
Durgon: Teh gays are trying to shove their hot, throbing sexuality down my throat again! Why can't they be reasonable like me!?!?

Terrific. Take his comment directed at a single person and twist it to generalise every gay in the world. 

Ive already addressed this but Im not trying to force this down anyone's throat and Im also not gay lol

Rane7685 wrote...

Durgon Ironfist wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...

 So I'm curious. How many straight guys are going to try a gay romance option (and you cant cheat by engaging in lesbian/asari one).

Also if you are/arent why (or why not), curiosity, completionism etc etc

Also I dont know who the gay options are so no spoilers please

I don't like other men. Do I need another reason? As my cousin has explained (he's gay as springtime btw) people like you make the rest of his community look like jackasses. I tend to agree with him he's a wise man, and his husband makes mean Indian food. Would you kindly go away? You're a blight!

This is not to make you look bad whatsoever. You dont like other men, that is a perfectly valid reason. I was curious to see whether they people would pursue these. In RPGs many people do thing they would not normally do (extortion, sleeping wih prostitutes, taking bribes etc) I was just curious to see if such escapism appliied in this arena. Im a straight male and I have no intention of pursuing these options either. (also the fact that your cousin is gay is irrelevant, the argument is equally meritorious regardless of the source)

 

[ScorpSt]

The one MaleShep I have is likely reuniting with Ashley and I can barely stand to play him, so no.

[Gibb_Shepard]

mauro2222 wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Disliking the act is not homophobic. Disliking homosexuals is. I don't see homosexuals any differently as people, but i personally find the concept of man on man off putting. Just like i'm sure some gays find the concept of man x woman off putting, but they would still treat them with the same respect they'd treat anyone else.

What's "off putting" suppossed to mean?

What the hell do you think it means? Look up the term "off putting" on google, i'm sure you'll find your answer.

I find two morbidly obese people having sex off putting. Am i now fatophobic? Are you aroused by two 300kg people having it on? Do you find it slightly "off putting" to see? It just is; but i don't treat anyone differently by what they do in their bedroom.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 27 février 2012 - 07:55 .

[CptData]

mauro2222 wrote...

The fact that "men" find lesbian sex to be attractive is for the same reason "men" found gay sex gross. And it's a silly thing

Wait - does that mean non!lesbian women find gay!sex hot and lesbian!sex gross?
That theory kinda gets subverted by my own fiancee


Must say lesbian!sex is far more attractive to me than gay!sex, but I don't mind it.
(I still won't go after a gay!romance in ME3. I simply do it straight and the only S/S romance I'm going after is most likely with redhaired fem!Shep and Ashley if she's available.

[Haventh]

Rane7685 wrote...

 So I'm curious. How many straight guys are going to try a gay romance option (and you cant cheat by engaging in lesbian/asari one).

Also if you are/arent why (or why not), curiosity, completionism etc etc

I do not intend to do male/male romances and also I do not intend to play femshep (no femshep means no female/female, I do not like roleplaying lesbian romances either).  Why not, cause I'm not into that sort of thing. It doesn't bother me that those who wanted it got the option though.  While I like roleplaying, there are some things I feel uncomfortable roleplaying  (it isn't homophopia, just makes me uncomfortable).

Modifié par Haventh, 27 février 2012 - 08:01 .

[mauro2222]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

What the hell do you think it means? Look up the term "off putting" on google, i'm sure you'll find your answer.

I find two morbidly obese people having sex off putting. Am i now fatophobic? Are you aroused by two 300kg people having it on? Do you find it slightly "off putting" to see? It just is; but i don't treat anyone differently by what they do in their bedroom.

Woah relax dude...

So if I don't find it arousing, I must find it disgusting?

[Collider]

There's a difference between finding something gross and actually hating those who do it.

[Gibb_Shepard]

mauro2222 wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

What the hell do you think it means? Look up the term "off putting" on google, i'm sure you'll find your answer.

I find two morbidly obese people having sex off putting. Am i now fatophobic? Are you aroused by two 300kg people having it on? Do you find it slightly "off putting" to see? It just is; but i don't treat anyone differently by what they do in their bedroom.

Woah relax dude...

So if I don't find it arousing, I must find it disgusting?

Dont be coy. You know exactly what I mean, being cute about it is not amusing anyone.

[mauro2222]

Collider wrote...

There's a difference between finding something gross and actually hating those who do it.

Homophobia is the aversion towards homosexual/bisexual/transexual people, or their lifestyle.

[mauro2222]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

What the hell do you think it means? Look up the term "off putting" on google, i'm sure you'll find your answer.

I find two morbidly obese people having sex off putting. Am i now fatophobic? Are you aroused by two 300kg people having it on? Do you find it slightly "off putting" to see? It just is; but i don't treat anyone differently by what they do in their bedroom.

Woah relax dude...

So if I don't find it arousing, I must find it disgusting?

Dont be coy. You know exactly what I mean, being cute about it is not amusing anyone.

Yeah, that you find homosexual acts to be disgusting or as you say it "off putting".

Is just a learned behavior, so I understand why you think like that.
Just like when people think that human nature is greed and selfishness.

Modifié par mauro2222, 27 février 2012 - 08:17 .

[Haventh]

For the same reasons I do not talk of my exploits to my friends, and gay friends is the same courtesy I expect to be return to me. It has nothing to do with a phobia, rather more about respect. I do not fear it happening that gays get too flirty with me, or too informative, but I do not like it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobia

"A phobia (from the Greek: φόβος, Phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear")"

Thinking that male/male and female/female is disgusting has nothing to do with phobia.

Modifié par Haventh, 27 février 2012 - 08:19 .

[Collider]

I personally believe that homophobia is a word far too charged to use for straight people who simply don't feel comfortable at the thought of putting themselves in homosexual situations.

If that's enough to cry homophobia, then there's a good deal of gay "heterophobes", too.

[mauro2222]

Haventh wrote...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobia

"A phobia (from the Greek: φόβος, Phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear")"
Thinking that male/male and female/female is disgusting has nothing to do with phobia.

And phobia has nothing to do with homophobia.
Phobia is not the same... the meaning has changed.

Modifié par mauro2222, 27 février 2012 - 08:22 .

[mauro2222]

Collider wrote...

I personally believe that homophobia is a word far too charged to use for straight people who simply don't feel comfortable at the thought of putting themselves in homosexual situations.

If that's enough to cry homophobia, then there's a good deal of gay "heterophobes", too.

But you aren't the one having sex.

And indeed they are.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Human nature is selfishness. Everything we do is for selfish reasons. But let's not dive into that.

[mauro2222]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Human nature is selfishness. Everything we do is for selfish reasons. But let's not dive into that.

I agree, but not in the meaning I gave. And ok, let's not dive into that.

[CptData]

Collider wrote...

I personally believe that homophobia is a word far too charged to use for straight people who simply don't feel comfortable at the thought of putting themselves in homosexual situations.

If that's enough to cry homophobia, then there's a good deal of gay "heterophobes", too.

This.

Several words are loaded with far too many negative emotions to be used in a moderate sense. "Homophobia" is one of them.

I'm okay with homosexual people around me. Usually they respect sexual preferences of others, that means you won't get drawn into a sexual encounter you don't want or like. Just say "no" if a gay dude suggest something like that, he'll understand. Done.

However, I can understand people who simple feel uneasy when getting asked for something like that. That's still no homophobia - it's more or less "awkwardphobia"

[shepdog77]

Considering i'll most likely have a gazillion different playthroughs, i'll probably give steve a try down the line for completionist sake. I mean there just pixels anyway.

[Rane7685]

I fear this thread might be moving off-topic. There is nothing wrong with finding s/s romance off putting or even repulsive. That is a personal, although I would argue extreme, reaction. If you do no wish to engage in the s/s romance because off these reasons that is perfectly fine and honestly is expected. You would not ordinarily pursue a romance with someone you werent attracted to in real life so the same could apply to a virtual setting. Other people will feel differently and I am just as interested in their viewpoints too.

I would like to say however, that just because you find the act personally repulsive does not make s/s romance itself intrinsically repulsive

[Haventh]

We need to seperate dislike, fear and comfort/discomfort. I see dislike as something derived from my reason, or my logic, so to speak. And fear, and comfort/discomfort is something I see derived from my feelings.

A straight man feeling uncomfortable talking about homosexual things might not dislike it, or fear it. It is the dislike or the fear that makes it homophobia.