Guest_Hainkpe_*
No.Rane7685 wrote...
This is a mirror of another thread I made for straight male gamers but Im curious; Are any straight female gamers going to pursue a homosexual (or asari) relationship.
Also I dont know who the new same-sex options are so no spoilers please
Modifié par senorfuzzylips, 27 février 2012 - 12:46 .
Calla S wrote...
Deeefinitely not straight, but most of my Shepards are, considering the general lack of female options... who aren't Liara.
The good thing about the potential for so many bi love interests? I don't have to suffer through playing male Shepard anymore! Hurrah! The drawback? That means I have to pull three more Shepards over the finish line before March 6th.
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JSLfromBx wrote...
NowEveninglost wrote...
Just
because no one will ever ask me, and I want to be completely opposite
of the thread. I'm 100% lesbian, but my main female Shepard romances
Kaidan. I just like his personality and background, and he is kinda a
stable balance to my crazy Shepard. I also really like Garrus as well.
Will
I try the s/s romance? Totally. Still the s/s options for me so far
(Liara and Kelly) don't fit personality-wise. Kelly is too personable
and Liara (at least ME1 Liara) seemed so young.
that's just disgusting, you're certainly not gay by a long shot if you
can enjoy a straight romance, you are not worthy of the lesbian title
and have no right to claim it just to drag it into mud .
if i'd
find out my girl played a straight romance in mass effect, or any other
game for that matter, well then, she can consider herself single again.
Rane7685 wrote...
As for the concept the women are much more open to the idea than the men and those that arent are tamer in their rhetoric. The men are pretty adamant (none of that is particularly surprising though)
Lucky Thirteen wrote...
Rane7685 wrote...
As for the concept the women are much more open to the idea than the men and those that arent are tamer in their rhetoric. The men are pretty adamant (none of that is particularly surprising though)
There are actually a lot of social studies showing this, going back several decades. Women have shown to be more open to s/s (m/m or s/s) even in a society that largely opposes it. It's a male dominated society that is largely against it. Not that there isn't any women involved in being against s/s, but it explains why a society like that in the United States has a such a hard time accepting s/s.
Lucky Thirteen wrote...
There are actually a lot of social studies showing this, going back several decades. Women have shown to be more open to s/s (m/m or s/s) even in a society that largely opposes it. It's a male dominated society that is largely against it. Not that there isn't any women involved in being against s/s, but it explains why a society like that in the United States has a such a hard time accepting s/s.
Rane7685 wrote...
I dont think its the male dominated society thats to blame for that (the homophobia). Homosexuality was rife and some reports have suggested it was preferred. To elaborate women were typically only used to produce a child but men would regularly satiate their sex drives with each other. While I will concede that the endemic sexism that has existed for thousands of years is due to a male dominated society the attitude towards homosexuality isnt imo. From what I can gather this attitude stems largely from the Judeo-Christian theologies. Without getting into it these religions tend to look at sex as being sinful but an unfortunate necessity for our continued survival. As a homosexual union could not yield offspring but was still sex it got essentially blacklisted. THis is an oversimplification but I believe its a more appropriate explanation
Blankeflos wrote...
I never had any interest in romancing any female character.
And I never even had any interest in playing as male Shepard, but I might change my mind knowing he'll have same-sex options.
JSLfromBx wrote...
Now that's just disgusting, you're certainly not gay by a long shot if you can enjoy a straight romance, you are not worthy of the lesbian title and have no right to claim it just to drag it into mud .
Lucky Thirteen wrote...
Rane7685 wrote...
I dont think its the male dominated society thats to blame for that (the homophobia). Homosexuality was rife and some reports have suggested it was preferred. To elaborate women were typically only used to produce a child but men would regularly satiate their sex drives with each other. While I will concede that the endemic sexism that has existed for thousands of years is due to a male dominated society the attitude towards homosexuality isnt imo. From what I can gather this attitude stems largely from the Judeo-Christian theologies. Without getting into it these religions tend to look at sex as being sinful but an unfortunate necessity for our continued survival. As a homosexual union could not yield offspring but was still sex it got essentially blacklisted. THis is an oversimplification but I believe its a more appropriate explanation
I like discussing this btw, these sort of things interest me.
Judeo-Christian theologies however are male dominated. Women are expected to serve men and men are expected to rule. Largely it is believed a woman's purpose is only to produce children. That's male thinking. As you point out, that is what men used women for. A child.
Women are largly open to s/s, which does not produce children. Women being more accepting of s/s goes against the idea that a woman's only purpose is to produce children.
Rane7685 wrote...
My point is while society has historically been exceptionally male dominated this phenomenon cannot account for homophobia as it has been embraced in the past.
Rane7685 wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Is this straight female gamers as in straight females who play femShep or straight female gamers full stop?
Female gamers who play femShep is more the focus. Im interested to see if in a virtual setting people are willing to experiment with romance against their identified orientation. That being said its an opeen forum if you want to talk about your homosexual ManShep go for it
jlb524 wrote...
Rane7685 wrote...
My point is while society has historically been exceptionally male dominated this phenomenon cannot account for homophobia as it has been embraced in the past.
Why can't it be both (the combo of male-domination in an 'anti-sex' Judeo-Christian society?)
Rane7685 wrote...
Lucky Thirteen wrote...
Rane7685 wrote...
I dont think its the male dominated society thats to blame for that (the homophobia). Homosexuality was rife and some reports have suggested it was preferred. To elaborate women were typically only used to produce a child but men would regularly satiate their sex drives with each other. While I will concede that the endemic sexism that has existed for thousands of years is due to a male dominated society the attitude towards homosexuality isnt imo. From what I can gather this attitude stems largely from the Judeo-Christian theologies. Without getting into it these religions tend to look at sex as being sinful but an unfortunate necessity for our continued survival. As a homosexual union could not yield offspring but was still sex it got essentially blacklisted. THis is an oversimplification but I believe its a more appropriate explanation
I like discussing this btw, these sort of things interest me.
Judeo-Christian theologies however are male dominated. Women are expected to serve men and men are expected to rule. Largely it is believed a woman's purpose is only to produce children. That's male thinking. As you point out, that is what men used women for. A child.
Women are largly open to s/s, which does not produce children. Women being more accepting of s/s goes against the idea that a woman's only purpose is to produce children.
Im suggesting that cause and effect are being misconstrued. Yes Judeo-Christian theologies are male dominated thats beyond contestation. What Im suggesting is that the root cause of homophobia is not to do with the male domination but rather the prescribed attitude to sex. These religions argue that sex should ONLY be done for reproduction. All other sexual motivations are inherently sinful. A corollary of this is that homosexual relations must be sinful as they cannot yield children.
To elaborate, society was male dominated prior to these religions yet the attitude towards homosexuality (and sex more generally) was completely different. Alexander the great and numerous other Macedonians regularly engaged in homosexual practices, as did Roman soldiers, in Greek society prostitution was a socially acceptable trade. In fact some practitioners developed it into an artform. Men went to brothels as they would a drink with mates. Spartans (aruably one of the most male dominated societies ever) seemed to prefer homosexual dalliances. The women provided them with kids, their brothers in arms provided them with sex (among other things obviously)
My point is while society has historically been exceptionally male dominated this phenomenon cannot account for homophobia as it has been embraced in the past.
Asperius wrote...
Rane7685 wrote...
Lucky Thirteen wrote...
Rane7685 wrote...
I dont think its the male dominated society thats to blame for that (the homophobia). Homosexuality was rife and some reports have suggested it was preferred. To elaborate women were typically only used to produce a child but men would regularly satiate their sex drives with each other. While I will concede that the endemic sexism that has existed for thousands of years is due to a male dominated society the attitude towards homosexuality isnt imo. From what I can gather this attitude stems largely from the Judeo-Christian theologies. Without getting into it these religions tend to look at sex as being sinful but an unfortunate necessity for our continued survival. As a homosexual union could not yield offspring but was still sex it got essentially blacklisted. THis is an oversimplification but I believe its a more appropriate explanation
I like discussing this btw, these sort of things interest me.
Judeo-Christian theologies however are male dominated. Women are expected to serve men and men are expected to rule. Largely it is believed a woman's purpose is only to produce children. That's male thinking. As you point out, that is what men used women for. A child.
Women are largly open to s/s, which does not produce children. Women being more accepting of s/s goes against the idea that a woman's only purpose is to produce children.
Im suggesting that cause and effect are being misconstrued. Yes Judeo-Christian theologies are male dominated thats beyond contestation. What Im suggesting is that the root cause of homophobia is not to do with the male domination but rather the prescribed attitude to sex. These religions argue that sex should ONLY be done for reproduction. All other sexual motivations are inherently sinful. A corollary of this is that homosexual relations must be sinful as they cannot yield children.
To elaborate, society was male dominated prior to these religions yet the attitude towards homosexuality (and sex more generally) was completely different. Alexander the great and numerous other Macedonians regularly engaged in homosexual practices, as did Roman soldiers, in Greek society prostitution was a socially acceptable trade. In fact some practitioners developed it into an artform. Men went to brothels as they would a drink with mates. Spartans (aruably one of the most male dominated societies ever) seemed to prefer homosexual dalliances. The women provided them with kids, their brothers in arms provided them with sex (among other things obviously)
My point is while society has historically been exceptionally male dominated this phenomenon cannot account for homophobia as it has been embraced in the past.
While m/m relationships seems like accepted in ancient/medieval times there's always a catch.
-In ancient Rome two grown up men's relationship was forbidden. However Elder Male/Young boy tradition was in place and accepted. So much that most families raced to give their boys to prestigious mentors.
- Among Vikings being passive role forbidden as that makes a man less man. They had Odin priests which actually a female's job. Those priests didn't considered as men.
- In Ottoman Empire there were young male dancers called Zenne. Their job was entertaining the males as due to Islamic tradition males and females spend their time in different courters. Zenne's entertainment goes far as sexual favors. However those boys was never an Ottoman, in other words Turks. They are usually gypsy boys or boys bring to Ottoman Empire from Christian countries after wars.
- In some sources it is mentioned that, in many ancient wars soldiers of victorious side proved their domination to losing side's soldiers by showing them how "man" they are.
As you can see male dominant societies always saw homosexuals as lesser beings than males. They are accepted in most cases but with so high prices and they were never equals. All big religions came after those times just cemented that masculine ideas. I don't remember any big religion has any specific comment on lesbians, all that well known teaching directed to homosexual males. Female homosexually on the other hand either ignored or viewed as fantasy. In the end they can never be a threat to a man's masculinity.
This is at least the picture I get from what I've read about homosexuality in history.
Rane7685 wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
Rane7685 wrote...
My point is while society has historically been exceptionally male dominated this phenomenon cannot account for homophobia as it has been embraced in the past.
Why can't it be both (the combo of male-domination in an 'anti-sex' Judeo-Christian society?)
It can't be both because men used to enjoy these kinds of activities. It makes no sense for oppressors to oppress themselves. This is just my opinion though
Asperius wrote...
Female homosexually on the other hand either ignored or viewed as fantasy. In the end they can never be a threat to a man's masculinity.
Rane7685 wrote...
This is a mirror of another thread I made for straight male gamers but Im curious; Are any straight female gamers going to pursue a homosexual (or asari) relationship.
Also I dont know who the new same-sex options are so no spoilers please
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