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[Syraniss]

Though I don't know who the S/S romance options are, if they offered Tali in Me3 I'll definitely start up a romance with her... If not, I'll just stand by Garrus.

[jeweledleah]

YouthCultureForever wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

I just don't understand the logic behind, My Shepard dates straight, my Shepard dates Liara, my Shepard is single because there was no one for me.

well part of it is - is it fun to play through?  for some [eople its not fun to play through a plot or morality they cannot relate to.  even though its a game, it just seems off to perform certain actions.  it stops being fun and tunrs into work almost trying to push yourself into discomfort zone and.. for what exactly?  if player finds LI choices unappealing why should they force themselves to try them out anyways?  role playing or not, some things for some people are simply not fun or at leasst not AS fun to roleplay.  and some people don't role play at all.  their Shepard is their avatar, a self insert if you will.  and its probably more common then actual role playing.

I don't push myself out of my comfort zone, I'm a straight female and have only played as Sheploo, I don't like the sound of FemShep's voice, I don't want to hear it, so I don't play her. But as much as I like Kaidan, I don't save him on Virmire because my Renegade Shepard selfishly wants to save his girlfriend. There are boundaries when you play. What you do and like shouldn't effect the charcter you choose to play. I have Kaidan alive in another playthrough because that Shepard would save his Lieutenant, not his Gunnery Chief. I've satisfied my curiosity and at the same time kept the narrative in tact. I don't say, "Oh, I love Ashley I can't let her die!" 

I'm just saying when you start a romance it should fit the character, all interaction should fit the character because you aren't Shepard, even if you use your own personality, you aren't Shepard, it's more of a caricature of you, a version of yourself and when you blur the lines you risk ruining the story. You didn't join up with the Alliance after a tough upbrining on Earth so it still isn't about what you would do, those experiences would make you different. It's a subtle but specific difference.

Anyways, will I be using ME3 as a romance simulator? Will I use the same-sex romance to experiment with another woman? No. That's creepy and totally not what it should be used for. Will I use it as a character development tool for a Shepard of mine? Maybe.

I may not be explaining myself clearly but.

for quite a few people it is exactly the "what would I do if I were in Shepard's situation, faced with Shepards choices."  it doesn't ruin the story.  it enhances it.  and interaction is geared to fit the character, becasue that character is a shadow of you.  and shadow of you would not be getting together with Li's that you find unappealing.

those boundaries you speak of?  your boundaries are not the same as someone else's boundaries and telling people they are doing it wrong in a single player rpg is a bit.. rigid, don't you think?  if someone wants to play a version of themselves, why the heck not?  becasue THAT's the character they chose to play. and it doesn't fit thier character to romance someone they don't like.

I've nver romanced Anders.  I have tried.  but I cannot play a character who would romance Anders.  me the player.  I don't enjoy playing someone like that.  and yes, how I feel about Anders obviously affects it.  I guess I'm doing it wrong? /shrug. 

[sagefic]

Rane7685 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Is this straight female gamers as in straight females who play femShep or straight female gamers full stop?

Female gamers who play femShep is more the focus. Im interested to see if in a virtual setting people are willing to experiment with romance against their identified orientation. That being said its an opeen forum if you want to talk about your homosexual ManShep go for it

While I prefer playing a female and romancing a male character, it really depends upon the game and how the characters are written. Some games I play a dude and romance a female character (Jade Empire); some I'll play a female romancing a female (Dragon Age2). Mass Effect had such a complex, well-written romance in FemShep/Kaidan I've had a hard time playing anything other than that.

Really depends upon how ME3 plays out. I can't make these sort of decisions before playing the actual game. It would be like chosing a class before playing the game. I have an idea what my fave is going to be, but often times I'm surprised by how much I like something I didn't plan on playing in the first place.

Modifié par sagequeen, 27 février 2012 - 09:06 .

[Carfax]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

It's a male dominated society that is largely against it. Not that there isn't any women involved in being against s/s, but it explains why a society like that in the United States has a such a hard time accepting s/s.

Thats not really true.  The more male dominated a society is, the greater the level of homosexual behaviour (not orientation); and this is due to the marginalization of women.

Afghanistan is a great example of this, and so are other Islamic cultures.

[YouthCultureForever]

jeweledleah wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

I just don't understand the logic behind, My Shepard dates straight, my Shepard dates Liara, my Shepard is single because there was no one for me.

well part of it is - is it fun to play through?  for some [eople its not fun to play through a plot or morality they cannot relate to.  even though its a game, it just seems off to perform certain actions.  it stops being fun and tunrs into work almost trying to push yourself into discomfort zone and.. for what exactly?  if player finds LI choices unappealing why should they force themselves to try them out anyways?  role playing or not, some things for some people are simply not fun or at leasst not AS fun to roleplay.  and some people don't role play at all.  their Shepard is their avatar, a self insert if you will.  and its probably more common then actual role playing.

I don't push myself out of my comfort zone, I'm a straight female and have only played as Sheploo, I don't like the sound of FemShep's voice, I don't want to hear it, so I don't play her. But as much as I like Kaidan, I don't save him on Virmire because my Renegade Shepard selfishly wants to save his girlfriend. There are boundaries when you play. What you do and like shouldn't effect the charcter you choose to play. I have Kaidan alive in another playthrough because that Shepard would save his Lieutenant, not his Gunnery Chief. I've satisfied my curiosity and at the same time kept the narrative in tact. I don't say, "Oh, I love Ashley I can't let her die!" 

I'm just saying when you start a romance it should fit the character, all interaction should fit the character because you aren't Shepard, even if you use your own personality, you aren't Shepard, it's more of a caricature of you, a version of yourself and when you blur the lines you risk ruining the story. You didn't join up with the Alliance after a tough upbrining on Earth so it still isn't about what you would do, those experiences would make you different. It's a subtle but specific difference.

Anyways, will I be using ME3 as a romance simulator? Will I use the same-sex romance to experiment with another woman? No. That's creepy and totally not what it should be used for. Will I use it as a character development tool for a Shepard of mine? Maybe.

I may not be explaining myself clearly but.

for quite a few people it is exactly the "what would I do if I were in Shepard's situation, faced with Shepards choices."  it doesn't ruin the story.  it enhances it.  and interaction is geared to fit the character, becasue that character is a shadow of you.  and shadow of you would not be getting together with Li's that you find unappealing.

those boundaries you speak of?  your boundaries are not the same as someone else's boundaries and telling people they are doing it wrong in a single player rpg is a bit.. rigid, don't you think?  if someone wants to play a version of themselves, why the heck not?  becasue THAT's the character they chose to play. and it doesn't fit thier character to romance someone they don't like.

I've nver romanced Anders.  I have tried.  but I cannot play a character who would romance Anders.  me the player.  I don't enjoy playing someone like that.  and yes, how I feel about Anders obviously affects it.  I guess I'm doing it wrong? /shrug. 

I'm not saying you're playing wrong if you choose to role-play a Shepard that is a version of yourself, I'm saying it's kinda stupid to make decisions about a character based solely on what you as the gamer want to experience. The romance becomes shallow when someone dates Liara only because she's the closest they can get to a same sex option. When someone dumps Kaidan because Garrus suddenly became available. When someone disses Ashley because Miranda is sexier. It's just dumb. Mass Effect is story driven and the decisions you make should fall in line with the character you choose to play.

I'm just saying the game is not a romance simulator and it shouldn't be used as a testing ground, you should enjoy the character you created and enjoy their story.

[Phoenix_Fyre]

I have a Femshep/Liara romance which is actually my main Shep, and so...

well.. asari are monogendered...so......

If Ash was a F/F I'd possibly give it a whirl

[Mallorn]

I'm straight and I prefer to play straight females (exception: Leliana in DA:O). I may consider lesbian relationship only if they let me romance Matriarch Aethyta^_^

[sagefic]

Mallorn wrote...

I'm straight and I prefer to play straight females (exception: Leliana in DA:O). I may consider lesbian relationship only if they let me romance Matriarch Aethyta

^This.

Kaidan, watch out.

Gotta love the biotics.

[frylock23]

YouthCultureForever wrote...

SNIP

I'm not saying you're playing wrong if you choose to role-play a Shepard that is a version of yourself, I'm saying it's kinda stupid to make decisions about a character based solely on what you as the gamer want to experience. The romance becomes shallow when someone dates Liara only because she's the closest they can get to a same sex option. When someone dumps Kaidan because Garrus suddenly became available. When someone disses Ashley because Miranda is sexier. It's just dumb. Mass Effect is story driven and the decisions you make should fall in line with the character you choose to play.

I'm just saying the game is not a romance simulator and it shouldn't be used as a testing ground, you should enjoy the character you created and enjoy their story.

I can understand the idea of playing true to character, but at the same time, you also tend to play characters with whom you can relate.  If staying true to the character takes you away from being able to relate to the character, then the character ceases to become someone interesting and compelling. So, to a certain extent, your characters will tend to make a certain amount of decisions in common with what you, yourself, would do. If they didn't, they would be completely alien to you and unrelatable.

Modifié par frylock23, 27 février 2012 - 09:36 .

[YouthCultureForever]

frylock23 wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

SNIP

I'm not saying you're playing wrong if you choose to role-play a Shepard that is a version of yourself, I'm saying it's kinda stupid to make decisions about a character based solely on what you as the gamer want to experience. The romance becomes shallow when someone dates Liara only because she's the closest they can get to a same sex option. When someone dumps Kaidan because Garrus suddenly became available. When someone disses Ashley because Miranda is sexier. It's just dumb. Mass Effect is story driven and the decisions you make should fall in line with the character you choose to play.

I'm just saying the game is not a romance simulator and it shouldn't be used as a testing ground, you should enjoy the character you created and enjoy their story.

I can understand the idea of playing true to character, but at the same time, you also tend to play characters with whom you can relate.  If staying true to the character takes you away from being able to relate to the character, then the character ceases to become someone interesting and compelling. So, to a certain extent, your characters will tend to make a certain amount of decisions in common with what you, yourself, would do. If they didn't, they would be completely alien to you and unrelatable.

I've said I don't step outside my comfort zone when playing. I want to see the Ashley and Miranda romances with Sheploo and that's it so I have a small town, pure heart paragon who wants to be with Ash and a ruthless renegage who only enjoys Miranda's company. They make choices that make sense and choices I want to see play out in their story so I'm never disinterested or find them alienating.  Both are interesting characters, both experience what I want to see but I'm not living through them. I don't play as Sheploo to see what it's like to be with a woman and I won't make a lesbian Femshep just to get the full effect of a same sex romance. It's not a romance simulator. I just find it strange that players would drop the role-playing aspect of the game just to experiment with their sexuality. More than anything it discounts what the romances were meant to be, an experience not an experiment.

Modifié par YouthCultureForever, 27 février 2012 - 10:22 .

[joiner87]

I Love to get the most out of a game so I shall be starting relationships with all LI with a mixtur of male/fem sheps

[Autodoll]

Unless you can romance Samara, probably not. I do have a male Shep specifically to romance Jack, and would romance her as a femShep if possible, but... Eh. I've grown fond of Mark now.

[What a Succulent Ass]

JSLfromBx wrote...

I'll end up with a real Woman, not some wretched traitor like you who decided to submit to the opressor.

Have fun spending your life crawling at the feet of your male master waiting for his command like a good little pet.

I'll just enjoy being my own woman.

This is just delicious.

[Golden Owl]

I play a manShep...his unromanced and hoping to change that in ME3, but as for an S/S for him, nah, just not my cup of tea....different strokes, different folks.

[Golden Owl]

Random Jerkface wrote...

JSLfromBx wrote...

I'll end up with a real Woman, not some wretched traitor like you who decided to submit to the opressor.

Have fun spending your life crawling at the feet of your male master waiting for his command like a good little pet.

I'll just enjoy being my own woman.

This is just delicious.

I am really hoping JSL is not serious, that would be a very frightening thought...

[Golden Owl]

wicked_being wrote...

I play as MaleShep (am I the only one who gush over how hot her 'creation' turned out to be?) and he's loyal to Liara.

But James Vega is...interesting.

LOL...I crush on my custom manShep too...his my eye candy...

[Eternal Dust]

JSLfromBx wrote...

Eveninglost wrote...


You should be single. 

That said, you'll probably end up a lonely lonely person in the end. Enjoy. 

I'll end up with a real Woman, not some wretched traitor like you who decided to submit to the opressor.

Have fun spending your life crawling at the feet of your male master waiting for his command like a good little pet.

I'll just enjoy being my own woman.

Really...

[Ottemis]

What the...

[arafinwe_ingalaure]

I have no problems playing a male character or a female character as long the story is good. But I only romance female characters. So if I have no option for a female romance for a female characters, they stay single

That reminds me in KOTOR when they were torturing Carth, I wanted so much my female character to stay away from Carth that I made her say she enjoyed seeing him tortured.  I would never say that in real life. LOL !

Modifié par arafinwe_ingalaure, 28 février 2012 - 12:48 .

[evenstars]

I've only played straight femsheps. I tend to make decisions based on what I would actually do or what seems interesting to me, so the males are who I've ended up romancing.  If I wanted to see how some of the female romances turned out, I would probably play as manshep since I think I would enjoy them more that way (I still haven't tried playing any male shep yet).  However, I may have to do a playthrough as gay manshep in me3 though depending on which guys he can romance.

[Lilunebrium]

JSLfromBx wrote...
I'll end up with a real Woman, not some wretched traitor like you who decided to submit to the opressor.

Have fun spending your life crawling at the feet of your male master waiting for his command like a good little pet.

I'll just enjoy being my own woman.

I can't even imagine what people must go through to aquire such a perspective. The thought of you actually being serious makes me feel sorry for you.

[graciegrace]

I'm a gay male, so I probably shouldn't be answering, but all three of my FemSheps have romanced and stayed loyal to Liara.

[Cazlee]

^so unexpected!

I've been thinking about my choices in past video games. I almost always play female protagonists if given a choice. The only time I chose a male protagonist was in Jade Empire because he was the bonus character and I prefered his model to the women. I ended up with an M/M romance. I've never tried a F/F romance on a first playthrough though I'm not closed to them. If the men in ME3 aren't romantic then I'm ready to try Liara instead if possible. She seems more attracted and loyal to Femshep than anyone else in ME1 and ME2 although I'm personally the most attracted to Kaidan. (I'm a woman)

Modifié par Cazlee, 28 février 2012 - 01:34 .

[TheComfyCat]

frylock23 wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

SNIP

I'm not saying you're playing wrong if you choose to role-play a Shepard that is a version of yourself, I'm saying it's kinda stupid to make decisions about a character based solely on what you as the gamer want to experience. The romance becomes shallow when someone dates Liara only because she's the closest they can get to a same sex option. When someone dumps Kaidan because Garrus suddenly became available. When someone disses Ashley because Miranda is sexier. It's just dumb. Mass Effect is story driven and the decisions you make should fall in line with the character you choose to play.

I'm just saying the game is not a romance simulator and it shouldn't be used as a testing ground, you should enjoy the character you created and enjoy their story.

I can understand the idea of playing true to character, but at the same time, you also tend to play characters with whom you can relate.  If staying true to the character takes you away from being able to relate to the character, then the character ceases to become someone interesting and compelling. So, to a certain extent, your characters will tend to make a certain amount of decisions in common with what you, yourself, would do. If they didn't, they would be completely alien to you and unrelatable.

I agree with Frylock.

And anyway, there is more than one way to play an RPG, and one play style can't actually be more or less "dumb" or "shallow" than another, since those are simply qualitative analyses of subjective experiences (which is to say, what is dumb to one person will not necessarily be to another).  Your opinion might vary, but it's just that: an opinion.

Some people might be putting themselves in Shepards shoes, and choosing their romances/ other decisions accordingly. That doesn't make their decisions "dumb" or "shallow," it just means they're playing their own way in order to enjoy their RPG experience.

Whether they use the game as an "experiment" or not is really their own business. If that's what they enjoy, then that's their prerogative. If that play style isn't fun for you, don't play that way, but don't try to claim your subjective opinion is anything more than that.