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[Luxure]

 I've just read some spoiler stuff and this gave me something to think about.
You get to one point where you can choose to either destroy the Geth, or destroy the Quarian and I'm wondering what BSN opinion is about this. Because I can't decide about this, I'd like opinions and see how people think. Even tho the Geth are synthethics, they're still sentient beings and that's the thing that bugs me and makes me uncertain of what to choose.

Discuss :]

[KyleLambert]

If the Geth are modified to not revere The Reapers anymore, then I will choose them to keep.
The Quarians are weak and it would take centuries before they could be of any real use.

[izmirtheastarach]

Peace is the answer.

[Elegana]

There is a third option: Peace between the two.

[KyleLambert]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Peace is the answer.

You have to choose.

[Elegana]

KyleLambert wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Peace is the answer.

You have to choose.

No, you do not. There is a third option available: Peace.

[izmirtheastarach]

KyleLambert wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Peace is the answer.

You have to choose.

You do not, actually. There is a whole thread in this section of the forums detailing the conditions that must be met in order to make peace an option.

Unless you are saying I have to choose as a hypothetical for the purposes of your thread.

[Luxure]

Complete news for me. You get an option to make peace between them ? Can someone spoil me with that stuff please ? I need to know, kekeke

[izmirtheastarach]

Luxure wrote...

Complete news for me. You get an option to make peace between them ? Can someone spoil me with that stuff please ? I need to know, kekeke

Spoiler group

This post has all the mechanics detailed, so people can prepare for their playthroughs.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 27 février 2012 - 02:52 .

[Juniper Mucius]

Make sure Tali is alive and not an exile. Destroy the heretics. Side with Tali on something. And a few others.

[Elegana]

Luxure wrote...

Complete news for me. You get an option to make peace between them ? Can someone spoil me with that stuff please ? I need to know, kekeke

It's set up in point value. You'll need 5 to 7 points to get the peace options.

Legion's Loyalty Mission (ME2):
Rewrote the Geth (+0)
Destroyed the Geth (+2)

Tali's Loyalty Mission (ME2):
Tali is exiled/Did not do her mission (+0)
Tali has been cleared of all charges (+2)

Quelled Legion/Tali Conflict (+1)

ME3:
-N7 Mission: Destroy Geth Squadron (+1)
-N7 Mission: A ship has crashed on Rannoch. Save the Admiral (+1).
-Completed Legion's Mission (or no peace)

You will need a high reputation in order to achieve peace. If you rewrote the geth and still got peace, you get even more war assets (but less Quarian fleets).

[Luxure]

But but but, destroying the Geth is Renegade option and my canon FemShep is Paragon all the way. Damn you BioWare!

Edit: Good thing I'm starting the ME series all over, these are things to keep in mind. Too bad I'll have to go renegade-ish

Modifié par Luxure, 27 février 2012 - 02:56 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Luxure wrote...

But but but, destroying the Geth is Renegade option and my canon FemShep is Paragon all the way. Damn you BioWare!

Still possible, but you just have to Make sure you get those extra two points in ME3. Gotta rescue the "peace admiral".

I'm not going to replay that part myself. Gotta stick to my decisions. 

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 27 février 2012 - 02:57 .

[Elegana]

Luxure wrote...

But but but, destroying the Geth is Renegade option and my canon FemShep is Paragon all the way. Damn you BioWare!

Calm down. You can still be a paragon and get the peace option. You just have to do the two N7 missions on Rannoch to get your additional points.

-Rewrote the geth (+0)
-Tali has been cleared of charges (+2)
-Legion/Tali conflict resolved (+1)
-N7 Mission: Destroy Geth Squadron (+1)
-N7 Mission: Save the Admiral (+1)

Total points: 5.

[Luxure]

Interesting indeed. I hope those 5 out of 7 points will do the trick :]
But I spot one silly thing you said. I get less Quarian fleet by rewriting the Geth. That's terrible, and why ?

Modifié par Luxure, 27 février 2012 - 03:02 .

[izmirtheastarach]

There is actually only one mission on Rannoch. You get one point for doing it and one more for rescuing Admiral Korris instead of his troops.

^ The Quarians attack the Geth and take more casualties if there are more Geth to fight.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 27 février 2012 - 03:05 .

[Elegana]

Luxure wrote...

Interesting indeed. I hope those 5 out of 7 points will do the trick :]
But I spot one silly thing you said. I get less Quarian fleet by rewriting the Geth. That's terrible, and why ?

You get more war assets (which is great, cause you'll need a lot), but you will have support both from the Geth and Quarians. Why less fleets? Someone answered that.

Modifié par Elegana, 27 février 2012 - 03:07 .

[Elegana]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

There is actually only one mission on Rannoch. You get one point for doing it and one more for rescuing Admiral Korris instead of his troops.

^ The Quarians attack the Geth and take more casualties if there are more Geth to fight.

Thank you for the correction.

[izmirtheastarach]

So the rewriting makes the Geth stronger and the Quarians weaker. You seem to stil get more war assets overall all that way, and less if you destroy the Heretics.

Admiral Korris gets shot down over Rannoch. So you have to retreive Quarians defense codes from his crashed ship. And then you can choose to rescue his troops or him. Since he is in favour of peace, retreaiving him adds that extra point towards peace.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 27 février 2012 - 03:10 .

[Luxure]

So much information... Interesting stuff, and I thank you for your time and help. I think this made me make up my mind. /bow

[izmirtheastarach]

Luxure wrote...

So much information... Interesting stuff, and I thank you for your time and help. I think this made me make up my mind. /bow

For sure. I'm sticking with the Paragon choice, because I can't justify killing on race to save another.

[Juniper Mucius]

I was quite astonished that the paragon choice is to rewrite the Heretics. It would be one thing if the Reapers indoctrinated the Heretics, but what I gather from the wiki, and my own understand of what Legion told me in game (multiple times), is that the Heretics chose their own way. You're brainwashing the Heretics, sentient beings that chose their own path. I choose the renegade option because to me, it's the better option. I have a feeling each one of those geth would rather be dead than brainwashed.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

 Tough choice, considering that all the Geth except Legion allied with the reapers, it'd be tempting to just off them for that.

On the other hand, the quarians aren't much better, what with hating any synthetic the build just for gaining sentience, even if they did no wrong. 

Too bad there's no option to off both.

[izmirtheastarach]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

I was quite astonished that the paragon choice is to rewrite the Heretics. It would be one thing if the Reapers indoctrinated the Heretics, but what I gather from the wiki, and my own understand of what Legion told me in game (multiple times), is that the Heretics chose their own way. You're brainwashing the Heretics, sentient beings that chose their own path. I choose the renegade option because to me, it's the better option. I have a feeling each one of those geth would rather be dead than brainwashed.

Still, we don't know 100% how the Heretics managed to draw different conclusions. It had never happened before. I still feel like Sovereign was involved in some way.

[Elegana]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

I was quite astonished that the paragon choice is to rewrite the Heretics. It would be one thing if the Reapers indoctrinated the Heretics, but what I gather from the wiki, and my own understand of what Legion told me in game (multiple times), is that the Heretics chose their own way. You're brainwashing the Heretics, sentient beings that chose their own path. I choose the renegade option because to me, it's the better option. I have a feeling each one of those geth would rather be dead than brainwashed.

I can see why they would have it a Paragon choice. You're not "physically" killing the Geth, you're just rewriting them in a way where they'll think differently. However, that can easily change in the future. If you talked with Legion on his Loyalty Mission when you find the "barrels of geth", he'll ask why the heretics and Legion changed so much. Shepard can say "when people are away for a while, they will come back with different opinions". As Legion said, once re-written, the "heretics" will go off on their own and return. It seems like they returned with their previous opinion.