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[plaguecaller]

People who jump from game to lobby because they do not like the group make or they feel the party levels are too low, face no consequences.


That's why we have antisocial players wanting to kick out the lower levels players in a game.

I think there should be a penalty to players that hop back iand forth nto the lobby more than twice. They should be given a 15 minute coool down before they can enter the search option for a game again.

At the same time if you have a  N7 rating of 110-120 and are working with a group that has a 60 % make up of characters with an N7 rating of lower than 30 then the the higher level player should be given a 5 - 10% bonus on credits on the bronze and silver levels which they can use in the store. Its a small incentive but it would help the lower levels out by having an experienced player in their group.


Or maybe give them a free recruit pack when the higher levels stick around.

Modifié par plaguecaller, 27 février 2012 - 08:19 .

[HolyAvenger]

Ehh sometimes I just don't want to work with the classes in the lobby. I come in and see 3 of the same and I don't feel like sticking around. Or people are speaking in Russian or whatever coz 2-3 of them are from the same country or whatever.

Sometimes I'll play one game, the lobby hop for my next one.

[Father Alvito]

I'll put it real simply:

It is not my responsibility to carry you on higher difficulties. If it's Bronze, I don't really care who you are or what you do. If I can't carry an anchor, that's my problem. On Silver and up, bring a character that can pull its weight or get out, with the standard for that being much lower on Silver than Gold.

As far as your cooldown suggestion: why should players be penalized if the game keeps randomly placing them in lobbies with players who have no business playing that difficulty? Strictly better would be a matchmaking system that gives players a list of games with enough information to enable making an educated decision about which one to choose.

[az350z]

I, for one, never leave lobbies with 3-4 people because you never really know.

On Bronze.

Joing Silver-Gold with low-level characters is a lost cause, really not an argument at all.

[Flawed Kestrel]

I admit it. I leave lobbies due to player levels. No one wants to play with players lvl 10 and below on Silver or gold. Or 30 below for Gold. I trust 40 and up.

[Kai Hohiro]

Only people who aren't terribly good themselves would leave a game or kick people on bronze or silver because of class or level.
So no big loss for you, just move on and find players worth their salt, no reason for any arbitrary penalties. A decent player will never kick or leave on anything below gold for gameplay reasons.

Modifié par Kai Hohiro, 27 février 2012 - 08:54 .

[PejaStojakovic]

I sometimes jump lobbies. I don't mind playing Silver with low level players (N7 under 20) aslong as they are not hosting the game. Experience has told me that alot of low level hosts leave when they have to sit out a round because they died in a horrible place that makes it impossible to revive them in time.
and I have been put in bronze-games when I was searching for a silver/gold.

[Bandit monkey]

Or low level characters could stop joining gold matches in the hopes a high level team will net them a experience fortune. Theres nothing wrong with hopping if the team obviously isn't there to win.

[count_4]

plaguecaller wrote...
People who jump from game to lobby because they do not like the group make or they feel the party levels are too low, face no consequences.

That's why we have antisocial players wanting to kick out the lower levels players in a game.

I think there should be a penalty to players that hop back iand forth nto the lobby more than twice. They should be given a 15 minute coool down before they can enter the search option for a game again.

At the same time if you have a  N7 rating of 110-120 and are working with a group that has a 60 % make up of characters with an N7 rating of lower than 30 then the the higher level player should be given a 5 - 10% bonus on credits on the bronze and silver levels which they can use in the store. Its a small incentive but it would help the lower levels out by having an experienced player in their group.

I can see several problems with what you're suggesting. 
First, the matchmaking is random. If I'm thrown into a group at random I need the chance to leave that group in case I don't like it. Thus leaving the lobby should not be penalized. Leaving the game within the first couple of minutes, however, should. 
Kicking players out is fine if it's justified. A WoW system probably would work best. You have the right to kick players bu twith every kick you get an increasing cooldown to do so. Plus you have to write a reason for kicking them.

As for the N7 rating bonus: That doesn't really work. Why should someone who has a lot of chars on a medium level be regarded as a better player than someone who's been playing his lvl 20 char for several weeks?

Modifié par count_4, 27 février 2012 - 09:06 .

[Father Alvito]

Kai Hohiro wrote...

Only people who aren't terribly good themselves would leave a game or kick people on bronze or silver because of class or level.
So no big loss for you, just move on and find players worth their salt, no reason for any arbitrary penalties. A decent player will never kick or leave on anything below gold for gameplay reasons.

I disagree.  Carrying an anchor on Silver results in two problems.  First, it slows down mission completion, which slows down the flow of credits.  Second, it introduces the real possibility of failure on waves 8 and 9 if a legitimate player happens to make an error and gets instagibbed by a Phantom...in which case we all might as well have played Bronze.

Low level characters should spend an hour in Bronze leveling up before they try to play Silver.  This is not much to ask.

[Kai Hohiro]

Father Alvito wrote...

I disagree.  Carrying an anchor on Silver results in two problems.  First, it slows down mission completion, which slows down the flow of credits.  Second, it introduces the real possibility of failure on waves 8 and 9 if a legitimate player happens to make an error and gets instagibbed by a Phantom...in which case we all might as well have played Bronze.

Low level characters should spend an hour in Bronze leveling up before they try to play Silver.  This is not much to ask.

If you want good flow of credits you play Gold, not Silver (which you can do with a team of sub 20 lvl players, I've personally never even done gold with an all 20 team). And even average players can two man Silver quickly, so with 4 people even one low level will not severly hamper you in any way. 
It's the mission taking 1-2 minutes longer vs hopping around or waiting on other players for 1-2 minutes longer. Nothing gained there.
Sorry but people who kick low levels from silver game simply aren't particular great players themselves.  

Modifié par Kai Hohiro, 27 février 2012 - 09:15 .

[CitizenSnips]

It's my right to leave a lobby.

If I enter a Gold lobby and see two level 1 Drell Vanguards and a level 4 human soldier on Gold, I'm just going to go ahead and save myself some likely frustration and leave.

[CitizenSnips]

Father Alvito wrote...

I'll put it real simply:

It is not my responsibility to carry you on higher difficulties. If it's Bronze, I don't really care who you are or what you do. If I can't carry an anchor, that's my problem. On Silver and up, bring a character that can pull its weight or get out, with the standard for that being much lower on Silver than Gold.

As far as your cooldown suggestion: why should players be penalized if the game keeps randomly placing them in lobbies with players who have no business playing that difficulty? Strictly better would be a matchmaking system that gives players a list of games with enough information to enable making an educated decision about which one to choose.

Actually this pretty much sums it up.

[Father Alvito]

If you want good flow of credits you play Gold, not Silver (which you can do with a team of sub 20 lvl players, I've personally never even done gold with an all 20 team). And even average players can two man Silver quickly, so with 4 people even one low level will not severly hamper you in any way. 
It's the mission taking 1-2 minutes longer vs hopping around or waiting on other players for 1-2 minutes longer. Nothing gained there.
Sorry but people who kick low levels from silver game simply aren't particular great players themselves.  

A game that goes poorly will dissolve after completion even in victory; a game that goes well will usually restart immediately.  This adds up over time, and weighs in favor of exercising some discretion over who you start a game with.  I'd also disagree with your "1-2 minute" figure; the variance between a game with four decent players and one with a worthless one is more like 4-5 in my experience.

I'm not convinced that Gold is the path to big credits if you're joining random lobbies.  You have to finish both rapidly and consistently to outperform tearing through Silver in 20 minutes or less, and the latter proposition is a lot more likely than the former with a team of randoms.  Obviously with a networked team things are different.

And I haven't said anything about level in Gold up to this point, but I'd agree that you don't need level 20s to finish it.  You do need to bring a team build that works.

[nicethugbert]

So, you expect mw to waste my time playing gold with a level 1? No thx. Suggestion Denied!

[Reidbynature]

I'm all for taking elitist gamers down a peg or two, but this really is a non-issue and a silly idea. Any gamer has every right to pick and choose which team they want to join. That's how it works with most multiplayer games, people will drop out if they don't fancy playing with certain people.

Besides with the current state of the multiplayer demo it sometimes necessitates lobby jumping more often because sometimes it's harder to get a full team otherwise. Though perhaps Bioware should look to adding a drop in/drop out feature that allows players to join a game while it's in session if there's room (it would also help those teams with impatient gamers who disconnect whenever they die).

[LadyAlekto]

Well if you give me more credits on silver sure i can drag a noob around, but what do i get for useless n7 100 that cant carry their weight? or l20 vanguards that cant handle gold and keep rushing facefront to their doom?

I wont play with randoms barely anymore anyways, if i cant expect someone to hold themself, i dont fight along your side

@reid
IT is possible to drop in, thats how i just got the most useless l20!vanguard ever..... and i thought people cant get any lower

Modifié par ShadedPhoenix, 27 février 2012 - 09:48 .

[Reidbynature]

@ShadedPhoenix. Thanks, I wasn't aware. Hopefully it's more noticeable in the finished game (whether it's through an improved coding or just more players with ME3).

I feel your pain with bad gamers. I'm not exactly a master gamer, but I can hold my own most of the time. So it's annoying when you get people who just want to run head first into the business end of a rifle. I had one entire team die on me and when I managed to win the round myself (killing the enemies and setting the four devices) I found out they had all left rather than wait to be resurrected on the next round.

[themaxzero]

I leave lobbies with lowbies
I leave lobbies with classes that I don't think will match me
I leave lobbies because I am not happy with the match settings
I leave lobbies with player names I don't like
I leave lobbies when I am the host since I often cause lag (live in Australia)
I leave lobbies because something came up in RL and don't want people to wait
I leave lobbies because I was made to wait
I leave lobbies sometimes because the group is not full (feeling lazy) and I don't want to wait
I leave lobbies because I got DCed from EA servers
I leave lobbies when there is a mexican standoff with someone trying to kick someone else

Basically I will leave lobbies at the drop of a hat. How I choose to spend my leisure time is my decision.

[squidney2k1]

I'll play with anyone, anytime.

But if you're a level 1-5, Charge-happy Vanguard on Silver/Gold that dies all of the damn time, don't get mad when I don't pick you up every single time. I am not your damn personal medic.

[redafro]

its not about feeling elite, its about finding a team with a fighting chance, i generally don't care about what classes people bring as i have seen a lot of strange combo's work even in gold but a lvl 10 in gold or a lvl 3 in silver? i ll pass, i don't need to waste the little time i have to play this game with that.
for me its simple
bronze: anny lvl
silver 14+ i might make an exeption for like 1 guy who is 10+ if the rest of the team is decent
gold 18+

i don't really care about people's n7, i got my first char straight to 20 and had a low n7 rank but still ended up second on my team in gold

[Calibisto]

While I get not wanting to play with too low levels, why drop out when classes don't match?
It is possible to change your own class.