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[What a Succulent Ass]

p.W wrote...

Interesting.

As a support character.

[yoshibb]

Gabey5 wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

If it were canon, Kaidan wouldn't be an option in ME3. Just because one choice is the majority, doesn't make it canon. Marketing uses MaleShep and Ashley as their go to. In the actual game, I play as Femshep and I saved Kaidan. Shepard's story has no canon.

actually it will, they are making a film and last i heard it will be a maleshep .

That's a movie adaptation, it's not a part of the game. The Mass Effect series is based on choices and shaping your Shepard, at least that's what it is to me. You can write books, movies, comics about Mass Effect, but they are simply another version of Shepard's story. Shepard's story is whatever you create in Mass Effect 1-3. There are things that stay the same like Saren and the Reapers being the enemy, Shepard dying, Shepard working for Cerberus, but there's no specific version of Shepard. 

Shepard is a Female Paragon Vanguard
Shepard is a Male Renegade Soldier

Shepard is whatever you choose him or her to be. Until they decide to remove all traces of choice from the game, there is no canon to me. 

[p.W]

yoshibb wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

If it were canon, Kaidan wouldn't be an option in ME3. Just because one choice is the majority, doesn't make it canon. Marketing uses MaleShep and Ashley as their go to. In the actual game, I play as Femshep and I saved Kaidan. Shepard's story has no canon.

actually it will, they are making a film and last i heard it will be a maleshep .

That's a movie adaptation, it's not a part of the game. The Mass Effect series is based on choices and shaping your Shepard, at least that's what it is to me. You can write books, movies, comics about Mass Effect, but they are simply another version of Shepard's story. Shepard's story is whatever you create in Mass Effect 1-3. There are things that stay the same like Saren and the Reapers being the enemy, Shepard dying, Shepard working for Cerberus, but there's no specific version of Shepard. 

Shepard is a Female Paragon Vanguard
Shepard is a Male Renegade Soldier

Shepard is whatever you choose him or her to be. Until they decide to remove all traces of choice from the game, there is no canon to me. 

I don't think the OP was asking whether Ashley VS was canon for you personally. There is a canon outside of your personal playthrough, and my personal playthrough, and that is what's being discussed. My canon is that Ashley died. The developers' canon appears to be that she survived. They're both equally legitimate, but only one is "official," for lack of a better word.

[DarxydeBluus]

I guess I'm an exception then. I play male Shepard and saved Kaidan. My thought process was that it seemed logical to me to send the soldier (Ash) with the distraction/decoy group and take the tech (Kaidan) with me and the bomb. It also seemed more logical to me to return to protect the bomb than it was to go on to the tower.

Quite frankly though, after their behavior on Horizon and at the beginning of ME3, I kind of wish that I could kill them both.

[Darkov]

Given that canon is a male shepard, saving his first potential love interest would also be canon right?

I don't think it is that big of an issue though, Ashley and Kaiden are pretty interchangable, unlike most of the other companions.

[CptBomBom00]

I saved her but my default male shep romanced Liara, tem blue butt chicks.

[v0rt3x22]

jreezy wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Awesomness wrote...

There is no canon but your average shooter fan would rather be looking at Ash.

Incorrect. If you read the books - there is canon for quite a lot of things actually.

Yes, but when it comes to things that we have a choice on, they rarely step on them.

I'm still mad about the councilor thing. 

Me too - Anderson deserved so much at the end of ME1 - but seeing how he doesn't like the position and is more of a 'do it' person, than a politician - the choice is ok for me.

Just wish Udina wouldn't be such an ass - but I suppose (even more so after I found out that he's canon) - there's a reason behind that.

[v0rt3x22]

jreezy wrote...

Darkov wrote...

Given that canon is a male shepard

Wrong.

Why wrong?

Start the game on default "John Shepard" -> Male John Shepard.

Canon.

[HolyAvenger]

No such thing as canon. Default =/ canon.

[Random citizen]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Darkov wrote...

Given that canon is a male shepard

Wrong.

Why wrong?

Start the game on default "John Shepard" -> Male John Shepard.

Canon.

Default is not canon, neither is marketing.
Its very important that there is no canon beyond the story they all share, because that would take away the players power and option to create ones own Shepard that is as valid and feels as real as everyone elses.

Now, I would personally have designed a more focused character for the players to play around with, but that is another story.

[s17tabris]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Darkov wrote...

Given that canon is a male shepard

Wrong.

Why wrong?

Start the game on default "John Shepard" -> Male John Shepard.

Canon.

So it's canon that Wrex is dead? That's the default choice for ME2... Then Wrex magically becomes alive in ME3 (demo).

[v0rt3x22]

arr0whead wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Darkov wrote...

Given that canon is a male shepard

Wrong.

Why wrong?

Start the game on default "John Shepard" -> Male John Shepard.

Canon.

So it's canon that Wrex is dead? That's the default choice for ME2... Then Wrex magically becomes alive in ME3 (demo).

Ok before my comment gets ripped to shreds -  I was commenting on whether default shepard is male or female.
That's not really an in-game dialogue choice.

As for Wrex - I wouldn't know and the thread is about Ash 

[Maj.Pain007]

There has to be a canon despite what they say.

[Ivoryhammer]

Canon for man Shepard is saving Ash, canon for woman Shepard is saving Kaidan.

[Triple0]

whats a canon?

[v0rt3x22]

jreezy wrote...

Ivoryhammer wrote...

Canon for man Shepard is saving Ash, canon for woman Shepard is saving Kaidan.

Wrong.

Man of a few words 

[p.W]

Random citizen wrote...

Default is not canon, neither is marketing.
Its very important that there is no canon beyond the story they all share, because that would take away the players power and option to create ones own Shepard that is as valid and feels as real as everyone elses.

And seeing a male Shepard walking around with a living Ashley doesn't sabotage the validity of my female Shepard with Kaidan cohort? In what way is marketing different from canon? They're both doing the same thing -- telling me there's a world out there where things turned out very different from mine, and that world is more endorsed by BioWare than mine is, by whatever infinitessimal degree.

[KotorEffect3]

Ash isn't any more canon than Kaidan is. However she is the more popular of the two hence why she has been marketed more.

[HolyAvenger]

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

There has to be a canon despite what they say.

Why?

[Randy1012]

jreezy wrote...

Casey Hudson himself has explained that beyond the plot points that must happen, there is no canon. Take that for what you will.

Right. The only "canon" is that Commander Shepard got mixed up in this whole Reaper business and [fill in the basic ME3 ending here]. And some other stuff happened along the way. That's it.

But Shepard's totally a dude though.