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[Foxtrot_212]

2 Words....

Sex Appeal 

Modifié par Foxtrot_212, 27 février 2012 - 07:47 .

[robtheguru]

Random citizen wrote...

robtheguru wrote...

The movie will reveal all the canon stuff.

In a way, yes.
And that is way it is a bad idea to say the least.
If the movie is bad, things gets even worse.

The movie should never have been based on the games. First Contact War would have been great or even the Skyllian Blitz to the assault on Torfan.

[Masked Slasher]

My FemSheps each killed Kaidan, too.

Could not stand him at all. So happy I never had to listen to his whining past ME1.

[Stokie Stallion]

eskr wrote...

Awesomness wrote...

There is no canon but your average shooter fan would rather be looking at Ash.

No, they just feel comfortable saying they' ratehr be looking at Ash.
Secretly, they long for Kaiden.

Striaght male here, kaiden and chris redfield from Pesi 5 provoke my inner ****gotry

[didymos1120]

Masked Slasher wrote...

 So happy I never had to listen to his whining past ME1.

What whining? 

[Random citizen]

robtheguru wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

robtheguru wrote...

The movie will reveal all the canon stuff.

In a way, yes.
And that is way it is a bad idea to say the least.
If the movie is bad, things gets even worse.

The movie should never have been based on the games. First Contact War would have been great or even the Skyllian Blitz to the assault on Torfan.

Agreed.

[p.W]

jreezy wrote...

p.W wrote...

Let me ask you again: what if the question isn't "what is the canon for ME1-3?" but "what is the canon for the ME universe?"

The Sidon base is attacked, Anderson investigates and eventually runs into Saren and Kahlee Sanders, Saren kills Skarr, more Revelation plot points, Shepard fines the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime, Tali hands Shepard evidence to prove Saren's a traitor, Shepard goes to Therum, Noveria, Feros, Virmire, and Ilos on his quest to stop Saren, more Mass Effect plot points, The Illusive Man gives Gillian to Paul Grayson, she admitted into the Ascension program, more Ascension plot points. The Normandy SR1 is attacked, more Mass Effect 2 plot points, etc.

It's a shame you stopped there, because you were just getting to the good part. At the end of ME2, Shepard can die. So does that mean nothing about ME3 is canon, considering for plenty of people Shepard is already dead and the story's over?

Modifié par p.W, 27 février 2012 - 08:01 .

[Klijpope]

The movie will have movie canon; the game will remain the same, ie: canon-free, 'default' only.

Not as if the Resident Evil film has affected the game canon in any way.

[p.W]

jreezy wrote...

p.W wrote...

jreezy wrote...

p.W wrote...

Let me ask you again: what if the question isn't "what is the canon for ME1-3?" but "what is the canon for the ME universe?"

The Sidon base is attacked, Anderson investigates and eventually runs into Saren and Kahlee Sanders, Saren kills Skarr, more Revelation plot points, Shepard fines the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime, Tali hands Shepard evidence to prove Saren's a traitor, Shepard goes to Therum, Noveria, Feros, Virmire, and Ilos on his quest to stop Saren, more Mass Effect plot points, The Illusive Man gives Gillian to Paul Grayson, she admitted into the Ascension program, more Ascension plot points. The Normandy SR1 is attacked, more Mass Effect 2 plot points, etc.

It's a shame you stopped there, because you were just getting to the good part. At the end of ME2, Shepard can die. So does that mean nothing about ME3 is canon, considering for plenty of people Shepard is already dead and the story's over?

Shepard being dead was almost canon during the early news about Mass Effect 3. BioWare said something about having a special import for players who utterly screwed up the Suicide Mission. Unfortunately that idea was trashed.

As interesting as that little bit of trivia is, it doesn't really answer my question. So far you've said that as far as the Mass Effect universe is concerned, the only canon is the stuff that happens regardless of what you're doing and who you're doing it with, ie. Saren dies, Sovereign is defeated. What about ME3? ME3 doesn't happen at all if your Shepard died in the SM. Does that mean the ME universe stops having canon completely past the SM?

[p.W]

jreezy wrote...

p.W wrote...
ME3 doesn't happen at all if your Shepard died in the SM. Does that mean the ME universe stops having canon completely past the SM?

Considering Shepard being alive is canon I don't know why you're asking a question with an obvious answer.

So Malesheploo and Ashley VS could be canon for the ME universe, as I've been saying all along. We agree.

[Eragondragonrider]

The VS cannon for Shepard is based on his gender. Ash is featured in the CGI Trailers and everything because ManShep is the cannon Shep for the game. I am sure someone will have the cannon choice from ME2 for ME3 done within the first week of the game being out(Or Chris could come tell us...hint hint).

[Gabey5]

yoshibb wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

If it were canon, Kaidan wouldn't be an option in ME3. Just because one choice is the majority, doesn't make it canon. Marketing uses MaleShep and Ashley as their go to. In the actual game, I play as Femshep and I saved Kaidan. Shepard's story has no canon.

actually it will, they are making a film and last i heard it will be a maleshep .

That's a movie adaptation, it's not a part of the game. The Mass Effect series is based on choices and shaping your Shepard, at least that's what it is to me. You can write books, movies, comics about Mass Effect, but they are simply another version of Shepard's story. Shepard's story is whatever you create in Mass Effect 1-3. There are things that stay the same like Saren and the Reapers being the enemy, Shepard dying, Shepard working for Cerberus, but there's no specific version of Shepard. 

Shepard is a Female Paragon Vanguard
Shepard is a Male Renegade Soldier

Shepard is whatever you choose him or her to be. Until they decide to remove all traces of choice from the game, there is no canon to me. 

yes and no. Your shep can always be considered canon for you fo course. Kind of what they did wit Revan, you could choose the gender, appearance etc but bioware chose a canon, same with the exile being female.

Yes your revan was different but there is still a canon revan as are the choices ie darkside options were retconned.

just an example.

Books and movies  are not an alternative universe. Events in the novels happen in the universe.

Modifié par Gabey5, 27 février 2012 - 08:48 .

[Nizzemancer]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I was thinking about something the last couple of days -

I suppose it might have simply something to do with sex appeal - but Kaiden doesn't seem to appear very much in marketing material.

I know he has a large background - as does Ash - but I was wondering if saving Ash could actually be considered canon?

Game designed for a majority of Straight Males who play males.

Male Shepard standard ME2 VS = Ashley.

They're just trying to optimize their marketing, doesn't mean it's canon.

[p.W]

jreezy wrote...

p.W wrote...

jreezy wrote...

p.W wrote...
ME3 doesn't happen at all if your Shepard died in the SM. Does that mean the ME universe stops having canon completely past the SM?

Considering Shepard being alive is canon I don't know why you're asking a question with an obvious answer.

So Malesheploo and Ashley VS could be canon for the ME universe, as I've been saying all along. We agree.

That's not exactly the same circumstance.

Please explain the difference. Why does Shepard being alive get to be canon, despite it being a legitimate possibility for that not to be the case in my experience of the game, while Ashley being alive cannot be canon, despite exact same circumstances. Seems analogous enough to me.

Note: I never once flat-out said that Male Sheploo + Ashley VS is canon for the Mass Effect universe. Merely that the probability of that being the case is much higher than the probability of any other combination as canon being the case.

You're the one saying that it's impossible for that to be the case because it infringes on individual playthroughs... despite SM survivor Shepard infringing on individual playthroughs...

Modifié par p.W, 27 février 2012 - 09:19 .

[ne0x]

It wasn't hard to chose,she rejected thresome with Liara,that was kinda disapointing,plus she was ****y instead of girly Liara and kinda asked for death 2 redeem her coward grandpa,so i kinda did her a favor,there is plenty more **** in galaxy anyway.Kaiden seems promising l2 biotic and never questions orders,that holds more strategic value.If bioware wanted to ash to be canonic they wouldn't have liara etc.

[Celtic Latino]

Not my personal canon, that's for sure. More like alternate universe :-p. Ash was the only death on my canon run, everyone else lives.

BioWare's likely canon- Soldier Sheploo, saved Ash, Wrex lives, romanced Liara, likely Paragon, loyal to Liara but tempted by Miranda, Garrus & Tali survive but many males (Thane, Jacob) die on the SM (BioWare is very matriarchal/feminist I've noticed).

[WeWant]

jreezy wrote...

I'm still mad about the councilor thing. 

Same here.

[DarxydeBluus]

didymos1120 wrote...

DarxydeBluus wrote...

There is no canon until it is more convenient for them to make something canon, e.g. Revan.

Try to pick an example that actually has something to do with Bioware imposing stuff. Lucasfilm is the one who decided canon Revan was male, lightside, etc.

They still went along with it and if EA says something is canon in the ME series as they move forward they'll go with that too. In fact, something will likely have to be canon if they set any future ME games in a time period beyond this series if the endings have the kind of impact that has been suggested.

[ne0x]

Game designed for a majority of Straight Males who play males.

Male Shepard standard ME2 VS = Ashley.

They're just trying to optimize their marketing, doesn't mean it's canon.

Straight male don't chose bi4y girls,they are for nerds,considering having liara and ashley 
both have ugly face,both have decent body,liara is more female roleplayed ,liara is open for thresome when ashley rejects it,every my knows friend did same choise based on this logic,so i think this is kinda obivious.On the other hand liara is alien and those with xenophobia will prob stick 2 bi4y human.

[deamon deathstone1]

I usually save Ashley because of her sexy voice, not because of some non-existant canon.
My personal canon is easy.

ME: FemShep kills a whole lot of people who stand in the way of her having sweaty, naked, happy time with Liara.

ME2: FemShep gets revenge on the Collectors for making her miss out on two years worth of Sweaty, Naked, happy time with Liara.

ME3: Frustrated FemShep takes care of the last hurdles, to ensure lots of sweaty, naked, happy time with Liara.........and maybe some cute blue babies.