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[Xaijin]

phimseto wrote...

I hope there's a scene in ME3 where you are on a nice date with your LI only to watch him/her die horribly in front of you, killed by Balak, who you let walk away in "Bring Down the Sky".

Have a nice day! :-)

(More than anything, that is what I want out of ME3 - for at least a few paragon choices from the first two games to just blow up in players' faces. And I say that as a paragon player!)


ADDENDUM:
Main point of this thread for you newcomers:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9494925/6#9497799

Love to disappoint you, but weepy softhearted paragons may be the last hope for the batarians, not the other way around. But hey, enjoy enjoy watching your renegade self entitlement burn with the rest on your cameo free play through and the galaxy.

Modifié par Xaijin, 28 février 2012 - 09:41 .

[Farbautisonn]

Femlob wrote...

In a morality system as limited as the one we're forced to deal with in the ME series (as per usual, Planescape: Torment is the only game that got it right - a moment of silence for Black Isle, please), Paragon versus Renegade boils down to empathy versus practicality. Which is favored depends on the developer in question - and I think we've all been around BioWare long enough to know the answer to that one.

If you want shades of gray (or rather, any gray at all) and meaningful consequences, you'll want to hire Obsidian. Nobody else bothers anymore.

Agree 99%.

Its rather amusing really. I thought that the only game that came close to having a moral / ethical ambiguity in the gray was "The Pitt" for FO3. Considering the storyline... I actually think that The Pitt is worth getting FO3 for.

Surprised the hell out of me. Didnt think Bethesda had it in them. Didnt think anyone had it in them anymore.

I loved FO:NV and I like it better than ME. I loved House (who has the reputation of Cerberus... more or less) But The Pitt was I would have loved to see an entire game. You have two options: Bastard or rotten bastard, and even those two are highly dependent on who you weigh your own personal moralities and ethics. I friggen loved it.

[phimseto]

Some great posts, some more trolling...a lot of people not really reading and taking in the thread. A reminder: I am not a renegade player. As I say in my original post, I play as a generally good guy - a 100/50 split thereabouts both games. And again, as for Balak, that was just me pulling an example out of hat. It's not the point. The point is that for the game to be effective, and for the promise of the series to be realized, some choices have to backfire. It can't all be "press blue to win."

As always, if you haven't read it yet, please check this out here:

Main point of this thread for you newcomers:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9494925/6#9497799

Modifié par phimseto, 28 février 2012 - 12:28 .

[McAllyster]

I hope keeping the Collector Base will have a huuuuge backfire.

[phimseto]

Heading off the ME3 forums until after the game, so for those of you who keep up on this thread, please point folks in the direction of this post, which gets to the heart of the matter!

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9494925/6#9497799

Good luck, all!

Modifié par phimseto, 28 février 2012 - 04:30 .

[Luigitornado]

How about no.

Most of us, if not all of us, have saves on both Renegade and Paragon...I don't know why the community...is split down the middle.

[panamakira]

Well the way people have talked about those 7 variations of the same ending, this seems like a fairly plausible outcome.

[seirhart]

McAllyster wrote...

I hope keeping the Collector Base will have a huuuuge backfire.

exactly agree here, I really hope that those who kept the collector base will have a major backfire for keeping it.

[Hunter of Legends]

Femlob wrote...

In a morality system as limited as the one we're forced to deal with in the ME series (as per usual, Planescape: Torment is the only game that got it right - a moment of silence for Black Isle, please), Paragon versus Renegade boils down to empathy versus practicality. Which is favored depends on the developer in question - and I think we've all been around BioWare long enough to know the answer to that one.

If you want shades of gray (or rather, any gray at all) and meaningful consequences, you'll want to hire Obsidian. Nobody else bothers anymore.

As long as they get to finish a game.

KotOR II had so much promise!

[Ice Cold J]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Travie wrote...

Anyone played paragon but did all the Renegade interrupts anyway?

So much more fun that way imo.

Not all... But that one with the Krogan is priceless.

Just about every time.

That's usually how I get ANY renegade points. The interrupts and the "Spectre" intimidate option on Thane's loyalty mission are my favorite renegade moments.

[UrPhreshness]

 Lmao I find it hilarious how seriously people take this whole renegade vs paragon thing. jeez it's just a game 

[zambingo]

XxXSarenXxX wrote...

Thank You as a fellow Renegade i would love this, im sick of Bioware handing out blue ribbons to snuggly care bear paragons and giving us hardasses who make the tough decisions live grenades.

Choosing Paragon options carries just as much risk and are the same tough decisions as choosing Renegade options.

^The OP made that point, actually.

[Random citizen]

Playing a paragon does not require being soft-hearted, only understanding (unless you are going for "pure" paragon or such nonsense) and giving a damn about others.

[seirhart]

I have pure paragon shepards with barely any renegade points, all 20 male shepards at that.

[Random citizen]

seirhart wrote...

I have pure paragon shepards with barely any renegade points, all 20 male shepards at that.

Sorry to hear that.

[Reptillius]

Tleining wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

 I can't wait to see renegade Shepard's world crumble as he looks to the other races for help only to realize he's alienated them all by being a ****** or killed them all. 

I expect renegades will get a more technology based advantage. Bigger fleet (although since it only took the Reapers seconds to get to Earth not sure what it would be). The base from ME2 and so on.

I do hope Shepard gets a glorious death in the end though.

considering that Cerberus is apparently hostile to Shepard in ME3 and probably in control of the Collector Base and Omega... i don't expect any benefits to come from that

Still reading the thread so bare with me...

Actually. The Cerberus base probably will pay off for Renegades. Not right away. But you'll likely get more out of it when you get around to kicking the last of Cerberus out of this life and into the next. More intact technology will mean more research even by those brainwashed pains in the butt. Which will probably mean a war asset you can't necessarily get as a paragon (but might pick up an equivilant somewhere.)

Backfiring I don't think necessarily is the right way to phrase things.  Everybody looks at Backfiring as utter failure.  It doesn't have to be.  We should more use the term setback because we think of that more in terms of things being harder than they could have been.

Paragon are home built with setbacks despite what some think. Making the road harder for them because they do do things like lettinga pissed off Terrorist that wants your head out into the universe to come back and get you or cause more problems.  We all know we'll have to deal with him eventually if Bioware does their job. My Bets are on him showing up at one of those "just the wrong moment" junctures... and forcing you to either split your attention or do one thing or another and not getting the best out of either.

Rachni... Let's face it... They are most likely going to be a double edged sword for Everybody. Killing them and Saving them both is going to have problems.  Renegades are probably going to have to go without help they could have provided some how.  Paragons are going to at the very least have to deal with the complications of a whole other species on the map to take care of.  At the very least.

And there are several other problems that are simular.

[Saints_]

XxXSarenXxX wrote...

Thank You as a fellow Renegade i would love this, im sick of Bioware handing out blue ribbons to snuggly care bear paragons and giving us hardasses who make the tough decisions live grenades.

Yeah, you're a real hard ass because you say things a little more assertively and push people out windows.

Wouldn't want to meet you in a dark alley, you might say something 15% more agressive than a paragon would and scare me a little. Not.

Also want to note that Paragon Shep punches both Zaeed and Kolyat in the face. And points a gun at Zaeeds face from pointblank.

It isn't all rainbows and sunshine.

Modifié par Saints_, 28 février 2012 - 06:14 .

[JorSpec2012]

Don't be fooled by us Paragons.We may be compassionate,but we will put a bullet in brain before you can say Bin Laden!

[BlueMagitek]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Agree 99%.

Its rather amusing really. I thought that the only game that came close to having a moral / ethical ambiguity in the gray was "The Pitt" for FO3. Considering the storyline... I actually think that The Pitt is worth getting FO3 for.

Surprised the hell out of me. Didnt think Bethesda had it in them. Didnt think anyone had it in them anymore.

I loved FO:NV and I like it better than ME. I loved House (who has the reputation of Cerberus... more or less) But The Pitt was I would have loved to see an entire game. You have two options: Bastard or rotten bastard, and even those two are highly dependent on who you weigh your own personal moralities and ethics. I friggen loved it.

Eh.... The Pitt wasn't really all that much of a choice at the end of the day.  Basically it came down to "Do you want a potential cure, or do you want to keep the status quo (with new leaders) while just hoping that the cure will come eventually"?  I mean, yeah, slaves and stuff, but that's either way.  If anything, it's grey & black instead of grey & grey.

Saints_ wrote...

Yeah, you're a real hard ass because you say things a little more assertively and push people out windows.

Wouldn't
want to meet you in a dark alley, you might say something 15% more
agressive than a paragon would and scare me a little. Not.

Also want to note that Paragon Shep punches both Zaeed and Kolyat in the face. And points a gun at Zaeeds face from pointblank.

It isn't all rainbows and sunshine.

Ah yes, punching your squadmate in the face and threatening to kill him after ruining his loyalty mission.  Truly that is the epitome of badass.  You should have lost Zaeed's loyalty for that.  Or added an out for Shepard to regain Tali's loyalty if he turned in the evidence against her father.  Because that makes just about as much sense.

[Nizzemancer]

Siegdrifa wrote...

It is really amazing how some people want's you to get punished only because they don't agree with the choice you made in a solo game that give you multiple choice.
Humanity is retarded.

It's just renegades being butthurt because being a jerk doesn't give the great outcome they think it does.

I'd like to see how someone behaving like a renegade Shepard would fare in the real world. I'm guessing nowhere at best.

[azerSheppard]

OP is troll? or just buthurt about cerby?

[Gruzmog]

Played trough the Noveria mission again today. This character was basicly started to be strict miltary hardliner who will get more renegade then paragon points but does not just kill people. I had planned to kill the Rachni in advance as I just wanna see what happens in ME3.... and I found it g&^^damn hard o.o

Gess I am softbellied paragon afterall, I did kill it.. but after you decide to kill it once you have to confirm it while Liara cries out for you to reconsider and you don't have options to explain youreself besides the "I am a jerk option "with the evil look on you're face. It's only a game but I felt bad afterwards

Letting the council dy on my first char didn't feel good but could be rationalized but with the lack of speech options this seemed to be only plain evil :S

Modifié par Gruzmog, 28 février 2012 - 08:24 .

[Bobrzy]

Kronner wrote...

What if he/she has no LI? Cmon, think it through!

Then his right hand gets shot.

[Gruzmog]

Seen this so often, what does LI stand for?

[Forsythia]

Gruzmog wrote...

Seen this so often, what does LI stand for?

Love Interest