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[marstor05]

Paragon interupt. Original Post fail.

[Arppis]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Well, they confirmed that Paragon choices won't be completely the right choices after all.
Actually, even me as a Paragon, I would wish that something backfires.

Yeah, well I know one choice from ME3 that makes things bit harder, but not impossible. But I agree.

[furryrage59]

What a dumb thread.

Makes me laugh when renegade players think their 'badass' and paragons are 'carebears' or whatever. Get over yourself. sheesh.

Edit - Although in that tone, maybe some renegade choices bite you in the ass like your crew spacing you or shooting you in the back.

Modifié par furryrage59, 27 février 2012 - 03:02 .

[Lawless7225]

Thats funny I played paragon and still arrested the batarian. Being a paragon doesn't mean being stoopid, don't make deals with terrorist!

[Homey C-Dawg]

Vindictive much OP?

[Tleining]

BobSmith101 wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

 I can't wait to see renegade Shepard's world crumble as he looks to the other races for help only to realize he's alienated them all by being a ****** or killed them all. 

I expect renegades will get a more technology based advantage. Bigger fleet (although since it only took the Reapers seconds to get to Earth not sure what it would be). The base from ME2 and so on.

I do hope Shepard gets a glorious death in the end though.

considering that Cerberus is apparently hostile to Shepard in ME3 and probably in control of the Collector Base and Omega... i don't expect any benefits to come from that

[DarxydeBluus]

I imagine that there will be negative consequences for both sides but I'm sure there will be more for Renegades, especially pure Renegades (because really, you're just being a ****). I was "Paragade" most of my decisions were on the Paragon or Neutral path but there were certain times that the Renegade response seemed more logical or just more fun (e.g. shocking Cathka).

[Arppis]

DarxydeBluus wrote...

I imagine that there will be negative consequences for both sides but I'm sure there will be more for Renegades, especially pure Renegades (because really, you're just being a ****). I was "Paragade" most of my decisions were on the Paragon or Neutral path but there were certain times that the Renegade response seemed more logical or just more fun (e.g. shocking Cathka).

Yeah, shocked him too. He was going to get shot to hell anyhows, why not do it earlier? I don't see the point going full out on either side.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

its funny my Shepard is like full paragon but I still destroyed a whole solar system

[masseffectinglife]

I went back and after choosing the Paragon response, reloaded and choose. 'Your a slaver, that is enough reason'.

Honestly some Paragon responses are not kind but stupid. Not stopping a crime is not a paragon ideal. He was a slaver.

 Same with Cathka as we know he is about to do something that could kill you. Nice or Smart shouldn't be REN  or paragon choice. Ie it appears that smart choices sometimes are Ren.

[LordAnguis]

Siegdrifa wrote...

It is really amazing how some people want's you to get punished only because they don't agree with the choice you made in a solo game that give you multiple choice.
Humanity is retarded.

Just pointing out this can refer to both Paragon and Renegade players. I've got my own way of talking about the morality scale, myself. Optimist (Paragon), Realist (Paragade/Renegon), Human Loyalist (Renegade).

On topic, though,, if BW is stupid and moronic enough to ensure you can't get a good ending with a Human Loyalist, than what's the point of calling it a role-playing game? If the only way for you to have a good ending is by being a lovey-dovey, 'oh, aliens aren't as selfish as humans' type (which is basically how the Optimist plays out), than there's not much point to calling it even a rough RPG. It's not; its a 'you go through life smiling stupidly or die angry' lesson disguised as a video game.

Also, people mentioned the spoiilers.... Are you talking about the 'leaked script?' The script that was a rough edition many, many months ago, before the final version of the game was completed? Or the 'War Assets' thing, which is just mentioning what you can start out with depending on your choices in the previous game, as well as suggesting the possibilities available due to choices in ME3? Well, guess what, ya bunch of idiots? I have a Renegade Shepard who just happens to have every squadmate (including Samara) loyal to him, has given David Archer back to Project Overlord (which is mentioned in the War Assets), and a whole bunch of things that would normally be on that list.

As I've said before on this forum, it's a DAMN GAME! Would it be great for some Paragon choices to bite you in the ass, well, yeah. It would be unrealistic if no Paragon choices did that in a huge way; oh, and by the way, I think even the Devs have said that Paragon players might regret some of their decisions.

[Farbautisonn]

The problem with "renegade" is that its usually/somewhat "Hamfisted, brutal and sadistic" where as "paragon" is "intelligent cunning good and wholesome". No problem there. Its been the standard since forever because people do not want to explore morals and ethics whilst playing. Well. I do but Im a minority. More sales to be made from being black and white with cookiecutter moralities.

Its a direct contradiction to real life where the "renegades" of our world and our history usually ended up shaping the face of business, technology, art and science. After all... the Medici werent nice people nor was the catholic church but their impact on the arts and that whole period we know as the rennaisance was staggering. The artists worked for rat bastards who were out to impress and cow others into submission. Michalangelo and da Vinci didnt work for free and out of the goodness of their hearts.

Games are supposed to entertain. And whilst it might make you feel good to do the "right thing" consistently it would very quickly dissapate if everyone abused your trust and just tried to twist you toward whatever end. Like the arms merchant tries to con Conrad.

I find that renegade choises are for the cynics. Those that prefer not to take too many chances.

The heretics could easily have subroutines that convered the "real geth" (Hate that term... its a fallacy) and youd end up with a revitalized geth instead of an ally.

The Rachni once threatened all of the galaxy and we are supposed to believe a rachni on her word that this was a mistake. That the reapers had indoctrinated them. Sure... but whats to keep that from happening again? Whats to keep the rachni from attacking us after the war is over?

Same problem with the Krogan and the Genophage. You cant stop the krogan lust for battle. Why assume that if you cure the Genophage they will just be nice? You have empirical evidence up the kazoo that they arent really?

So... You play it safe and let them all fade away into oblivion. Could easily have been a paragon choise too.

Just as letting them live and prosper only to use them as cannon fodder could be a renegade choise.

[Arppis]

masseffectinglife wrote...

I went back and after choosing the Paragon response, reloaded and choose. 'Your a slaver, that is enough reason'.

Honestly some Paragon responses are not kind but stupid. Not stopping a crime is not a paragon ideal. He was a slaver.

 Same with Cathka as we know he is about to do something that could kill you. Nice or Smart shouldn't be REN  or paragon choice. Ie it appears that smart choices sometimes are Ren.

They are. For example, I don't go and rant at Illusive Man much, I'm more diplomatic at him and usualy taking the neutral options with him.

[cipher86]

I'm Paragon and I chose to go after Balak.  It made more sense.

[Arppis]

Farbautisonn wrote...

The problem with "renegade" is that its usually/somewhat "Hamfisted, brutal and sadistic" where as "paragon" is "intelligent cunning good and wholesome". No problem there. Its been the standard since forever because people do not want to explore morals and ethics whilst playing. Well. I do but Im a minority. More sales to be made from being black and white with cookiecutter moralities.

Its a direct contradiction to real life where the "renegades" of our world and our history usually ended up shaping the face of business, technology, art and science. After all... the Medici werent nice people nor was the catholic church but their impact on the arts and that whole period we know as the rennaisance was staggering. The artists worked for rat bastards who were out to impress and cow others into submission. Michalangelo and da Vinci didnt work for free and out of the goodness of their hearts.

Games are supposed to entertain. And whilst it might make you feel good to do the "right thing" consistently it would very quickly dissapate if everyone abused your trust and just tried to twist you toward whatever end. Like the arms merchant tries to con Conrad.

I find that renegade choises are for the cynics. Those that prefer not to take too many chances.

The heretics could easily have subroutines that convered the "real geth" (Hate that term... its a fallacy) and youd end up with a revitalized geth instead of an ally.

The Rachni once threatened all of the galaxy and we are supposed to believe a rachni on her word that this was a mistake. That the reapers had indoctrinated them. Sure... but whats to keep that from happening again? Whats to keep the rachni from attacking us after the war is over?

Same problem with the Krogan and the Genophage. You cant stop the krogan lust for battle. Why assume that if you cure the Genophage they will just be nice? You have empirical evidence up the kazoo that they arent really?

So... You play it safe and let them all fade away into oblivion. Could easily have been a paragon choise too.

Just as letting them live and prosper only to use them as cannon fodder could be a renegade choise.

You know, I wish the renegade options wouldn't generate sucha "childishly angry" responses at times. It would be much easier to pick them without the "**** attitude" behind them usualy. But then again, I don't know if other players like that a lot. So I guess there should be a way to convey that feeling too.

As you said, it would be better if there wasn't "blue and red"-sides.

[Razorsedge820]

Looks like someone needs a hug, come on bro give me some sugar.

[AndrewRogue]

While I think both are perfectly legitimate choices, I do have to ask. What is to say that killing Balak has any real positive accomplishments besides one dead Batarian? There are plenty of other slavers. Plenty of other terrorists. Hell, killing him could well martyr him and lead to even more increased anti-human activity.

[AlexXIV]

It's ... not going to happen. Also my LI is Liara. Balak is no match for her.

[Chewin]

I died laughing.

[AlexXIV]

Arppis wrote...

masseffectinglife wrote...

I went back and after choosing the Paragon response, reloaded and choose. 'Your a slaver, that is enough reason'.

Honestly some Paragon responses are not kind but stupid. Not stopping a crime is not a paragon ideal. He was a slaver.

 Same with Cathka as we know he is about to do something that could kill you. Nice or Smart shouldn't be REN  or paragon choice. Ie it appears that smart choices sometimes are Ren.

They are. For example, I don't go and rant at Illusive Man much, I'm more diplomatic at him and usualy taking the neutral options with him.

The problem is that you have to metagame to make sense. I mean in real life I would just have killed him. Because alone the fact that he gives you enough time to disarm the bombs is stupid. He could just blow them up after he ran off. But the plot is already hollywood style when you get the chance to disarm the bombs and save the hostages. In real life there would not be the option. You'd tell him to give up or die. I don't know why people always try to make sense and find rational choices in options that are stupid from start. The whole scenario is unrealistic. He is prepared for you to get there and has bombs in place. He could have ran long ago and blew everything up. But no, you get to disarm the bombs, etc. That only happens in movies, video games, etc. So why even try to take a rational approach? You can save them, so you save them. Period.

[Arppis]

AlexXIV wrote...

Arppis wrote...

masseffectinglife wrote...

I went back and after choosing the Paragon response, reloaded and choose. 'Your a slaver, that is enough reason'.

Honestly some Paragon responses are not kind but stupid. Not stopping a crime is not a paragon ideal. He was a slaver.

 Same with Cathka as we know he is about to do something that could kill you. Nice or Smart shouldn't be REN  or paragon choice. Ie it appears that smart choices sometimes are Ren.

They are. For example, I don't go and rant at Illusive Man much, I'm more diplomatic at him and usualy taking the neutral options with him.

The problem is that you have to metagame to make sense. I mean in real life I would just have killed him. Because alone the fact that he gives you enough time to disarm the bombs is stupid. He could just blow them up after he ran off. But the plot is already hollywood style when you get the chance to disarm the bombs and save the hostages. In real life there would not be the option. You'd tell him to give up or die. I don't know why people always try to make sense and find rational choices in options that are stupid from start. The whole scenario is unrealistic. He is prepared for you to get there and has bombs in place. He could have ran long ago and blew everything up. But no, you get to disarm the bombs, etc. That only happens in movies, video games, etc. So why even try to take a rational approach? You can save them, so you save them. Period.

You might have misquoted. Or did you answer the guy above me? Seems so.

[BlueMagitek]

Kronner wrote...

What if he/she has no LI? Cmon, think it through!

They pull a President Madagascar from Pandemic.

I don't really want paragon decisions to blow up in other people's faces, but I would like for some paragon decisions to have better outcomes and some renegade decisions to have better outcomes, if you know what I mean.

[Farbautisonn]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

So why even try to take a rational approach?

Some of us like to try to roleplay. Shocking, I know.

-Noob. Pew pew ftw.

(I keed I keed).

[BlackwindTheCommander]

I see the top three Paragon options that can bite us in th ass are:

1) Rachni Queen- Good to try and bring a species back when it was possible they were forced to fight by an unknown entity. Bad because theres nothing really stopping that entity from controlling them again except for the Queen's word.

2) Balek- Good thing you saved some civilians, and possibly gave the Alliance the idea for Arrival. Bad because lets face it, you let a known anti-human terrorist go free... So yay us.

3) Corporal Toombes- Especially bad for Soul Survivors. This man literally threatened you in Mass Effect 2 after you saved him in ME1. He's suffering severe psychological problems thanks to Cerberus and his traumas, so I believe him when he says he's coming for Shepard.