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[Arppis]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The real problem with Renegade is that it isn't as consistent as Paragon.

Sometimes Renegade hates criminals. Other times Renegade IS a criminal.

Sometimes Renegade is pragmatic... while regretting that he has to do it. Other times he's happy to do it (Rachni Queen).

Paragon is a bit more consistent. It is generally talk first, shoot if you have to. Support aliens, let, everyone lean on you, help everyone.

I agree, sometimes it feels like renegade character is some 14 year old guy in 30 year old's body. If you know what I mean. Consistency would be really nice, you basicaly never know what you get once you open can of Renegade!

This is basicaly what prevents me from playing as one. Well atleast mostly.

Modifié par Arppis, 27 février 2012 - 03:48 .

[CptBomBom00]

You F*uck with Paragons man you F*cuk with me, home boy.

[andy6915]

Arppis wrote...
I agree, sometimes it feels like renegade character is some 14 year old guy in 30 year old's body. If you know what I mean. Consistency would be really nice, you basicaly never know what you get once you open can of Renegade!

This is basicaly what prevents me from playing as one. Well atleast mostly.

I get the same vibe. I might not mind playing renegade if Shepard didn't seem like an immature teenager all the time. A mature renegade Shepard would be awesome.

[Farbautisonn]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

You F*uck with Paragons man you F*cuk with me, home boy.

"-Ive got a very important mission for you... one where you will save alot of people and be a hero".
*Omits certain death bit*

[Arppis]

andy69156915 wrote...

Arppis wrote...
I agree, sometimes it feels like renegade character is some 14 year old guy in 30 year old's body. If you know what I mean. Consistency would be really nice, you basicaly never know what you get once you open can of Renegade!

This is basicaly what prevents me from playing as one. Well atleast mostly.

I get the same vibe. I might not mind playing renegade if Shepard didn't seem like an immature teenager all the time. A mature renegade Shepard would be awesome.

Indeed.

[BatmanPWNS]

I support Balak!

Balak for squadmate, damnit!

[robtheguru]

I just want hard decisions full stop.

i.e. Save LI or have Earth saved....no amount of Paragon interrupts will save you!

Modifié par robtheguru, 27 février 2012 - 04:01 .

[Arppis]

robtheguru wrote...

I just want hard decisions full stop.

i.e. Save LI or have Earth saved....no amount of Paragon interrupts will save you!

Would totaly save the earth.

[Travie]

Anyone played paragon but did all the Renegade interrupts anyway?

So much more fun that way imo.

[Farbautisonn]

Arppis wrote...

robtheguru wrote...

I just want hard decisions full stop.

i.e. Save LI or have Earth saved....no amount of Paragon interrupts will save you!

Would totaly save the earth.

-Not sure if troll or just dense.jpg.

[Arppis]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Arppis wrote...

robtheguru wrote...

I just want hard decisions full stop.

i.e. Save LI or have Earth saved....no amount of Paragon interrupts will save you!

Would totaly save the earth.

-Not sure if troll or just dense.jpg.

*pats* Maybe it's time for a nap for you.

[phimseto]

Nordicus wrote...

phimseto wrote...

Then you dodge that particular bullet! That's the point really - if good always begets good or mostly good, then it removes all the drama and tension that comes from the law of unintended consequences.

This almost begs the question: Have you played Witcher? One of the messages from the very first act is "Sometimes it's just better to not get involved with other people's business, snooping around doesn't always  get you the results you want"

I sure did!  One of the best RPG games I have played in years. It has a number of "first big game" flaws (as did the original Mass Effect), but I loved it for precisely things like the example you cite above.  I can't wait to finally dig into "The Witcher 2" next month!  

This thread blew up while I was away.  I need to catch up and issue some responses...

[lrrose]

It's bad game design to screw over a player like that based entirely on a decision made two games ago, especially a decision made in a DLC. I could see Balak causing trouble, but killing off a squadmate without the ability to stop him in ME3...

Modifié par lrrose, 27 février 2012 - 04:13 .

[Ice Cold J]

I would not be surprised if ALL the Paragon choices blew up in our faces.
Rachni: Might help you, but also create Rachni "husks"
BDTS: Balak shows up and ruins a mission.
Council: Might be less apt to give you help as they're less "human-centric" than replacement Council.
Keep Genophage Data: Krogan get mad that Salarians remade genophage, harder to get loyalty.
Hack Geth: ALL Geth come under Reaper control again.
Collector Base: no tech, harder battles/weaker weaponry.
Overlord: David would've unlocked way of dealing with synthetic enemies.
Kasumi's graybox: Someone finds out about it and, surprise, more trouble for humanity.

But, as I've said before, I don't play the Paragon path because I think it will make the game easier. I play it because I consider it the right way to do things.

If these are the consequences of my actions, then I will be mad. But, I will not be upset at how I've played the game.

[Travie]

phimseto wrote...

Nordicus wrote...

phimseto wrote...

Then you dodge that particular bullet! That's the point really - if good always begets good or mostly good, then it removes all the drama and tension that comes from the law of unintended consequences.

This almost begs the question: Have you played Witcher? One of the messages from the very first act is "Sometimes it's just better to not get involved with other people's business, snooping around doesn't always  get you the results you want"

I sure did!  One of the best RPG games I have played in years. It has a number of "first big game" flaws (as did the original Mass Effect), but I loved it for precisely things like the example you cite above.  I can't wait to finally dig into "The Witcher 2" next month!  

This thread blew up while I was away.  I need to catch up and issue some responses...

The best part about The Witcher series is that it actually has a REWARDING neutral path for both games.

So it CAN be done

[Arppis]

Travie wrote...

phimseto wrote...

Nordicus wrote...

phimseto wrote...

Then you dodge that particular bullet! That's the point really - if good always begets good or mostly good, then it removes all the drama and tension that comes from the law of unintended consequences.

This almost begs the question: Have you played Witcher? One of the messages from the very first act is "Sometimes it's just better to not get involved with other people's business, snooping around doesn't always  get you the results you want"

I sure did!  One of the best RPG games I have played in years. It has a number of "first big game" flaws (as did the original Mass Effect), but I loved it for precisely things like the example you cite above.  I can't wait to finally dig into "The Witcher 2" next month!  

This thread blew up while I was away.  I need to catch up and issue some responses...

The best part about The Witcher series is that it actually has a REWARDING neutral path for both games.

So it CAN be done

Yeah, it works really well when you are mercenary! 

[Candidate 88766]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The real problem with Renegade is that it isn't as consistent as Paragon.

Sometimes Renegade hates criminals. Other times Renegade IS a criminal.

Sometimes Renegade is pragmatic... while regretting that he has to do it. Other times he's happy to do it (Rachni Queen).

Paragon is a bit more consistent. It is generally talk first, shoot if you have to. Support aliens, let, everyone lean on you, help everyone.

This is why I often struggle to play really renegade Shepards.

My canon Shepard was easy to role-play - I wanted a more diplomatic Spectre, who prefers to give people a chance and defuse situations with diplomacy, but when push comes to shove can quickly and efficiently eliminate any hostiles. The consistency of the paragon dialogue made this my favourite Shepard. Couldn't resist a lot of the renegade interrupts, but generally paragon.

Role-playing a renegade is much harder though. Sometimes you're a Dirty Harry style character - ultimately a good person who simply doesn't let anything get in the way. Other times you're like Rorschach - justice at any cost. And other times Shepard pretty much becomes a criminal.

Paragon Shepard seem to have a clear and consistent goal - trying to save and support as many as possible, and above all doing 'the right thing'.

Renegade Shepards are less consistent - sometimes its an ends justify the means approach, other times they simply act like jerks.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 27 février 2012 - 04:17 .

[Gabey5]

Only way to play renegade is too role play a guy with serious issues. It is doable

[Arppis]

Gabey5 wrote...

Only way to play renegade is too role play a guy with serious issues. It is doable

Pretty much.

[Han Shot First]

XxXSarenXxX wrote...

Thank You as a fellow Renegade i would love this, im sick of Bioware handing out blue ribbons to snuggly care bear paragons and giving us hardasses who make the tough decisions live grenades.

Some Renegade decisions are just as stupid (or more so) than Paragon decisions.

Paragade & Renegon Sheps FTW.

[piemanz]

Kronner wrote...

What if he/she has no LI? Cmon, think it through!

A pure paragon without a LI?

Bahahahahahahahahaa....good one.


Renegon FTW!

Modifié par piemanz, 27 février 2012 - 04:26 .

[Arppis]

piemanz wrote...

Kronner wrote...

What if he/she has no LI? Cmon, think it through!

A pure paragon without a LI?

Bahahahahahahahahaa....good one.

Don't mock my Paragon without LI, plx.

(I understand you ment that if you pick every "paragon" option you are bound to get love interest)

Modifié par Arppis, 27 février 2012 - 04:26 .

[AkiKishi]

Travie wrote...

Anyone played paragon but did all the Renegade interrupts anyway?

So much more fun that way imo.

Not all... But that one with the Krogan is priceless.

[Ramus Quaritch]

The PLC wrote...

I would love to see some of the paragon choices to come back and bite you in the ass.

There is one that does (or at least it creates a big mess you'll have to fix).