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[phimseto]

RolandX9 wrote...

OP, your tears will taste like candy when ME3 comes out.

...yeah, not very Paragon of me, I know.

Well, if you think that having Paragon choices all work out alright is great, then I really don't know what to tell you because that's a huge storytelling failure.  It doesn't sound like that's the case, though, at least to some degree, so who knows...maybe it will be you there crying going, "But I chose the paragon choice!"  


Main point of this thread for you newcomers:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9494925/6#9497799

[sorentoft]

Because forcing the death of your LI because a DLC in the first game is a good idea.

[AlexXIV]

sorentoft wrote...

Because forcing the death of your LI because a DLC in the first game is a good idea.

Actually even if it wasn't a DLC it would probably be the other way round. If you run into Balak again because you let him live he will not be as hostile because basically you let him go and showed you care more about saving people than killing. And if you killed him some other Batarian would kill your LI for revenge for their martyr Balak.

Some people just think killing solves all problems. If we would follow Renegade logic then at some point we would notice that we ain't any better than our enemies. Maybe even worse. And I for one need a good reason to fight for. And I guess anyone does unless they are just doing it for fun or whatever.

[Haasth]

Although I would definitely NOT want to see the example you stated (It would be really bad tying that in with something from the first game which is even DLC); I would and really hope a lot of the paragon choices in ME3 end up backfiring. As someone who only plays Paragon (With the occasional exception FOR SCIENCE! like keeping the Collector base), I'm tired of winning EVERYTHING making the Renegade choices pointless and stupid in comparison. 

I really wish BioWare put more choices in the game that you can't win either way. Give more weight behind your choices. Y'know, like Virmire. 

Modifié par Haasth, 27 février 2012 - 09:02 .

[jsheikh]

I'm with the OP on this one. It'd make for a better story if your paragon choices bit you back in a meaningful way. Then you get this Oh Snap! moment (hopefully)

[seirhart]

TheCreeper wrote...

Wait, there are people who spared him? Why? I play Paragon 9 times out of 10 and I only left him live once and that was just to be different. Lair of the Shadow Broker points out that Shepard, even Paragon shepard isn't the type of person to let hostages stop them in a crisis situation.

all of my 20 paragon shepards always and I mean always lets balak go no questions asked because those hostages are more important than killing balak. I'll just kill him later

[Ellkol1138]

Farbautisonn wrote...

packardbell wrote...

I bet nobody comes to your birthday parties, renegades.

And yet the renegades end up with the cheerleader at the prom.

Somehow I doubt that...

[truestatic]

Or for renegade shepards, a human who lost family or a loved one when you let the workers die could kill Joker or Liara, and you have no involvement in the event! There's nothing you can do about it!

Am I doing it right?

The difference between Mass Effect and a choose your own adventure is that in Mass Effect, the effects of your choices are typically very predictable. Having your love interest randomly die out of the blue for no apparent reason because you made a 'wrong' choice two games ago makes no sense. It is disproportionate and disconnected. It work in Layer Cake, it doesn't work here. I get the feeling the only reason you're suggesting it is because you want Paragons to get kicked in the pants to experience all the pain renegades feel when their antisocial behaviour fails to reward them.

[Farbautisonn]

Ellkol1138 wrote...

Somehow I doubt that...

-Scars are sexy. And even if they were not, power is. And power comes in many shapes and colours.

[Dr. Jacko]

phimseto wrote...
Well, if you think that having Paragon choices all work out alright is great, then I really don't know what to tell you because that's a huge storytelling failure.  It doesn't sound like that's the case, though, at least to some degree, so who knows...maybe it will be you there crying going, "But I chose the paragon choice!"  

I think the ideal way to handle it would be to have each choice pay off in different ways. It wouldn't really be great storytelling to have any absolutely "wrong" choices, either. The problem with the choices that had results in ME2 was that in ME1 just about every Renegade decision save for a few ended with everyone involved dead. The problem was more that Renegades lacked consequences, not that they 

For instance, let's take the Quarians/Geth and the Geth rewrite. The best way to handle it would be making it so that the decision has a direct effect on the conflict's direction. Deciding to rewrite them would make it easier for Shepard to push the conflict in the Geth's favor, or, if he chooses to try and broker peace between the factions, will place negotiations on the Geth's terms. Conversely, destroying them would give the Quarians the upper hand, making it easier to ensure their victory and placing possible peace negotiations on their terms.

[Ellkol1138]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ellkol1138 wrote...

Somehow I doubt that...

-Scars are sexy. And even if they were not, power is. And power comes in many shapes and colours.

I know where you are going with the power thing,  The Queen would be an interesting lay for the pure fact of saying "I ****ed the queen of england."

[WolfForce99]

Pottumuusi wrote...

I really hope giving Cerberus advanced reaper technology comes back to bite all the renegade players in the ass.

Agreed.

[BlueMagitek]

AlexXIV wrote...

Actually even if it wasn't a DLC it would probably be the other way round. If you run into Balak again because you let him live he will not be as hostile because basically you let him go and showed you care more about saving people than killing. And if you killed him some other Batarian would kill your LI for revenge for their martyr Balak.

Some people just think killing solves all problems. If we would follow Renegade logic then at some point we would notice that we ain't any better than our enemies. Maybe even worse. And I for one need a good reason to fight for. And I guess anyone does unless they are just doing it for fun or whatever.

Alex, you were doing so well until this point too.

I mean, seriously, a batarian comes to revenge Balak?  Even his lieutenant thought he was insane, and, you could have promised him that you'd kill Balak.  If you did kill Balak, it would make more sense that you'd meet his Lt (assuming you didn't kill him to, in which case you get some new guy) who, as we know, isn't genocidal and holds to his word.  Why assume Balak would change when now he knows that all he needs to get away is a human hostage?

Renegade isn't about killing every single person who has ever wronged anyone ever, it's about doing whatever it takes to get the job done and to save other people.  Keeping David to enlist the Geth to the side of humans, killing a terrorist to stop a possible rampage in the future, taking care of potential problems before they happen.  Yeah, it isn't always pretty and feel good, but they get the job done.

Look at Mordin; his actions earned him far more renegade points than almost anything Shepard has done (apart from the Rachni queen), but you don't despise him for doing what he, and the rest of the STG, thought was right.

[TheCreeper]

I don't get why Renegades have such an issue with Paragons.

[Farbautisonn]

Ellkol1138 wrote...

I know where you are going with the power thing,  The Queen would be an interesting lay for the pure fact of saying "I ****ed the queen of england."

-Your pathetic attempt of trying to goad me into a hizzy fit isnt going to work. Im not british. And even if I were, youre attempt would only cause mild amusement. The british tabloids make your insinuations seem like victorian poetry.

Thanks for trying though.

[Haasth]

Ellkol1138 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

packardbell wrote...

I bet nobody comes to your birthday parties, renegades.

And yet the renegades end up with the cheerleader at the prom.

Somehow I doubt that...

They can have them, the very last person I would want to be with would be a cheerleader at prom. 
May as well date a potato with make-up then, you'd have the same discussions anyway. 

[Julia343]

What if you played mumblety peg with your side arm with Balak but just kept missing the spaces, then turned him over to the Alliance for waterboarding? That's not exactly Paragon. "Followed 'paragon' path in ME1" -- council died. Jeez. Why was the orange bar higher? Oh.... I chose "This is our only chance. Concentrate on Sovereign. Nothing else matters." Sacrifice for the greater good. +13 paragon; +11 renegade.

TIM doesn't get the CB at the end no matter how renegade Shepard is on this final play-through. There's a dead reaper in there. We already know dead reapers can indoctrinate. Even 37 million yr old ones. I'm putting money that the council is indoctrinated too.

Some people find scars sexy. Granted most of them are Krogan.

Modifié par Julia343, 27 février 2012 - 09:31 .

[Farbautisonn]

Haasth wrote...
They can have them, the very last person I would want to be with would be a cheerleader at prom. 
May as well date a potato with make-up then, you'd have the same discussions anyway. 

-When was "prom age" I didnt give a rats arse about the rhetorical or deductive abilities of women. That came later. Thank god men do grow wiser. Even if it comes late for some

[Ellkol1138]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ellkol1138 wrote...

I know where you are going with the power thing,  The Queen would be an interesting lay for the pure fact of saying "I ****ed the queen of england."

-Your pathetic attempt of trying to goad me into a hizzy fit isnt going to work. Im not british. And even if I were, youre attempt would only cause mild amusement. The british tabloids make your insinuations seem like victorian poetry.

Thanks for trying though.

I wasn't trying to goad, given the opportunity to do so I would make a deposit in her royal box.

I'm basically agreeing with you that power is sexy.

[WolfForce99]

ODST 3 wrote...

 I can't wait to see renegade Shepard's world crumble as he looks to the other races for help only to realize he's alienated them all by being a ****** or killed them all. 

I wont to see that to.

[incinerator950]

WolfForce99 wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

I really hope giving Cerberus advanced reaper technology comes back to bite all the renegade players in the ass.

Agreed.

The irony will surprise you.

[Arppis]

Ellkol1138 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ellkol1138 wrote...

I know where you are going with the power thing,  The Queen would be an interesting lay for the pure fact of saying "I ****ed the queen of england."

-Your pathetic attempt of trying to goad me into a hizzy fit isnt going to work. Im not british. And even if I were, youre attempt would only cause mild amusement. The british tabloids make your insinuations seem like victorian poetry.

Thanks for trying though.

I wasn't trying to goad, given the opportunity to do so I would make a deposit in her royal box.

I'm basically agreeing with you that power is sexy.

He's bit slow.

[PrinceLionheart]

TheCreeper wrote...

I don't get why Renegades have such an issue with Paragons.

Because they found out by killing NPCs, they missed out on the NPCs returning and saying "Hey, thanks for not killing me that one time."

[Farbautisonn]

Ellkol1138 wrote...


I wasn't trying to goad, given the opportunity to do so I would make a deposit in her royal box.

I'm basically agreeing with you that power is sexy.

I somehow believe that you would not be even remotely intersting for anyone with blue blood, let alone royal blue blood. In those circles there is a general tendence to breed upward. Not downward. And even when they do go for downgrades, its usually downgrades with a certain pedigree or a certain level of affluence and power.

But Im glad you ceeded the point. In some cases it might be hard to come to terms with the station in which one might be born but accept does make it easier.