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[Ellkol1138]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

I don't get why Renegades have such an issue with Paragons.

Because they found out by killing NPCs, they missed out on the NPCs returning and saying "Hey, thanks for not killing me that one time."

Another thing I don't see pointed out often is that Conrad was supposed to be a renegade choice npc that popped up but it glitched so both get to meet him.

[Farbautisonn]

Arppis wrote...

He's bit slow.

-Have you grown so fond of me that you must chime in everytime you see me mentioned? I assure you, Im not going to take any more pity upon you than I allready have? 

[incinerator950]

After looking at the Assets and some of the script, I can safely say that while there are a few more Paradurp responses that are beneficial, the Renegade side is not as hazardous as a lot of these people make out.

[phimseto]

Creeper, as I wrote in my original post, I'm a paragon player - I'm not against making paragon choices, only against those choices constantly working out just as we hoped. I want to see paragon choices backfire and, like I wrote else, the same goes for other kinds of choices, too.

And for everyone else, the whole LI/Balak thing was the first example that came to mind. Concentrating on *that* is missing the forest for the trees. It's not about playing as renegade or paragon. It's about playing how you want, but having some of those choices not work out the way you expected them to (and in substantial, story-driven ways).

Also, BlueMagitek, liked your post quite a bit.

Main point of this thread for you newcomers:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9494925/6#9497799

Modifié par phimseto, 27 février 2012 - 09:45 .

[ElementL09]

Renegades who died in Mass Effect 2 can't transfer there saves in Mass Effect 3.

[Robhuzz]

Arppis wrote...

Psh, didn't get the expansion. So no worries.

Indeed. Didn't play it so no worries.

Besides just about every LI can defend themselves easily. In my case I'd imagine: Liara Vs. Balak = Balak ends up in a coffee cup 

[Gabey5]

Renegades are mad because they killed a bunch of people and they miss out on cool cameos.

[Ellkol1138]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ellkol1138 wrote...


I wasn't trying to goad, given the opportunity to do so I would make a deposit in her royal box.

I'm basically agreeing with you that power is sexy.

I somehow believe that you would not be even remotely intersting for anyone with blue blood, let alone royal blue blood. In those circles there is a general tendence to breed upward. Not downward. And even when they do go for downgrades, its usually downgrades with a certain pedigree or a certain level of affluence and power.

But Im glad you ceeded the point. In some cases it might be hard to come to terms with the station in which one might be born but accept does make it easier.

You are taking this entirely too seriously.

I knew I should have said Mrs. Thatcher.

and besides I don't want my kids to have hemophilia

[Farbautisonn]

Gabey5 wrote...

Renegades are mad because they killed a bunch of people and they miss out on cool cameos.

-wat?

[Farbautisonn]

Ellkol1138 wrote...
You are taking this entirely too seriously.

I knew I should have said Mrs. Thatcher.

and besides I don't want my kids to have hemophilia

-Seriously? Not at all. Im merely making polite conversation.

Mrs Thatcher was a very powerfull woman indeed. Not my style though.

Youre assuming you find someone who would want to procreate with you. Thats nice. However I must warn you as you seem to have a rather odd fetish for the elderly that the risk of certain hereditary disorders in children is significantly elevated with older women. And when women reach the age of the queen and mrs thatcher, its highly impropable, bordering on impossible that any such woman should bear your offspring.

Dont take this to heart though. Im sure that you will be very content with your elderly partner. Not all need to contribute offspring.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 27 février 2012 - 10:00 .

[InvincibleHero]

No need to be insultive towards paragons. I play both sides and the middle to experience the whole spectrum of what the game offers. I do agree that paragon is without meaningful consequence so far. It is something almost never done in media; punishing the good deed. I think it is hard to write something that does because usually failure is catastrophic and games are designed to have viable paths to the end.

Games used to be all about killing off the player just play King's Quest sometime. People don't want to get frustrated and spend many hours retrying the same scenario over and over. Paying customers have made that point clear and they listened. So now there are less gotcha deaths in games thankfully.

Imagine if they made imediate distatsteful consequences for a paragon action what do you think happens? They will reload and choose something else. It is better for the game maker to not put in any overtly obvious punishment situations. After all very few would sacrifice their LI to save three random civilians. Maybe someone colud roleplaying in a game but in real life that person is one in 10 million that would give up their son or daughter or wife or husband or lover for a stranger.

I think BW has shown a little favoritism but so what you can choose what option suits you. The chips fall where BW determines and I am fine with that. Good has always been shown in a more favorable light. There is no argument that paragon appears to be more what people would classify good. Renegade gets it tough no doubt but do you actually think people will congratulate you for sacrificing 10 people to save 100 if you had to have a hand in the death of those 10. Someone that saved them all despite all could have died will always look better and be more celebrated. Yeah it is unrealistic that paragons always win but that is the nature of the beast as it is defined.

[Hunter of Legends]

Farbautisonn wrote...



I find that renegade choises are for the cynics. Those that prefer not to take too many chances.

Therein lies the problem.

As a realist I find issue with Cynics AND Optimists. You are both wrong in your observations of the world.

[incinerator950]

Jesus ****ing christ.

[Xarathox]

I only pick paragon dialog because renegade lines are so ****ing cheesy.

[Farbautisonn]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Therein lies the problem.

As a realist I find issue with Cynics AND Optimists. You are both wrong in your observations of the world.

-Perhaps. But we rarely do place labels of "right  or wrong". We usually just observe and act according to our convictions.

[Ellkol1138]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ellkol1138 wrote...
You are taking this entirely too seriously.

I knew I should have said Mrs. Thatcher.

and besides I don't want my kids to have hemophilia

-Seriously? Not at all. Im merely making polite conversation.

Mrs Thatcher was a very powerfull woman indeed. Not my style though.

Youre assuming you find someone who would want to procreate with you. Thats nice. However I must warn you as you seem to have a rather odd fetish for elderly that the risk of certain hereditary disorders in children is significantly elevated with older women. And when women reach the age of the queen and mrs thatcher, its highly impropable, bordering on impossible that any such woman should bear your offspring.

Dont take this to heart though. Im sure that you will be very content with your elderly partner. Not all need to contribute offspring.

I think you are missing the point that i'm being rather flip with this.

But anyway we should drop this before we get the topic locked and we possibly get banned.

[Farbautisonn]

Ellkol1138 wrote...

I think you are missing the point that i'm being rather flip with this.

But anyway we should drop this before we get the topic locked and we possibly get banned.

-If you insist. Was nice chatting to you though. Have a good evening.

[Ellkol1138]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ellkol1138 wrote...

I think you are missing the point that i'm being rather flip with this.

But anyway we should drop this before we get the topic locked and we possibly get banned.

-If you insist. Was nice chatting to you though. Have a good evening.

You too.

But getting back on topic, it's does seem like Batarians don't  suffer failures too easily, The leader from the nuclear probe mission basically got ostracized  for his failure of the skyllian blitz.

I have a feeling Balak will have the same problem. Maybe a handful but nothing significant.
But then again a handful of people succeeded in a suicide mission, so he may be able to do some damage,

Modifié par Ellkol1138, 27 février 2012 - 10:13 .

[Malanek]

Won't happen. In fact it is more likely that Balak redeems himself and saves a colony by destroying a reaper. I hope a bit of thought has gone into the previous morality decisions to balance out good and bad outcomes along with the amount of any extra content. Renegade decisions should lead to having extra weapons, a more ready galactic fleet, a better human supremecy ending and a chance to align with cerberus (if not the illusive man). Paragon should get bonuses to galactic unity and a better diplomatic ending state.

[Hunter of Legends]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Therein lies the problem.

As a realist I find issue with Cynics AND Optimists. You are both wrong in your observations of the world.

-Perhaps. But we rarely do place labels of "right  or wrong". We usually just observe and act according to our convictions.

Unless you view the world only through your eyes.

I act according to the most logical decisions for all. The again, this is a curse for a Comteian Altruist.

[jabajack]

Was originally a paragon but now have stuck with paragade. Balak won't be an issue, he and the rest of the Batarians are/will be extinct imo

[Eclipse_9990]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...



I find that renegade choises are for the cynics. Those that prefer not to take too many chances.

Therein lies the problem.

As a realist I find issue with Cynics AND Optimists. You are both wrong in your observations of the world.

Exactly how I see it. Cynics, and Optimists are both foolish, but in different ways. 

[Medhia Nox]

Hey Renegades...

*PARAGON HUG*

Feel loved? You betcha!

[Farbautisonn]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Unless you view the world only through your eyes.

-I really dont see an option as I cant see the world through those of others. I can sympathize, empathize, but observe the world as another does in its entirety? No.

I act according to the most logical decisions for all. The again, this is a curse for a Comteian Altruist.

-So you claim. And Im sure you do.

However in my experience altruists are only so to a certain point, and usually with a specific agenda. Altruism usually also requires some moral and ethical choises about what is right and wrong, and those convictions, even with altruists can be held pretty firmly.