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[syllogi]

ratzerman wrote...

In ME2, I had to pretend my Shepard had amnesia to explain her willingness to work for Cerberus without ever mentioning Akuze.

In ME3, I'll have to pretend my Shepard developed anorexia in prison.

Thanks, Bioware! Headcanon fixes everything! :-D

I'm going to pretend Kasumi stole my Shepard's sensible underwear and replaced them all with buttcrack revealing panties.  YAY headcanon!!! =D

[AkiKishi]

_symphony wrote...

Valikdu wrote...
Especially with taking into account that Shepard has been augmented (insert your own Deus Ex joke here) during Lazarus project and further in ME2 (skin weave / muscle weave / bone weave).

Hell, it can be reasoned that she used to be more muscular before getting killed in the beginning of ME2 and wasn't quite the same after being resurrected. But even that's not needed, see the post above.

There's no need to rationalize this, is called Rule of Sexy, and is ok, I buy it. I just wish BioWare could try to be original and not do what every other game out there does with women.

I don't think you can too critical of Naughty Dog if at all.

[android654]

[quote]Sashimi_taco wrote...

On the topic of her dress, i guess i get it. Sexiness or whatever. However, since it is N7 issued, wouldn't it makes sense for it to be a bit more proffessional?

I wear dresses to work that are similar to this.



That is pretty sexy and professional in my opinion. [/quote]

I think the fact that it's a military issue dress is a bit odd. If they were going to do that, they should've made it look like it was an actual military issue dress.

[quote]zestyshade wrote...I have no doubts that it is in fact deliberate, as this industry is loaded with precedents of female objectification (I am sure I do not need to cite examples).
[/quote]

Ever played a Japanese fighting game? There are all the examples anyone could need.

[quote]Random citizen wrote...
First of all, I agree with that there is a problem in how Bioware depicts men and woman in mass effect and beyond. Just like it is a problem in so many other places (games, mass media etc).

You could actually do somehing against symbolic against all those nude-mods and the like, and that is actually taking the initiative and define show/describe/define how the characters actually look (in one way or the other). Then those artisically responsible can say: Sorry, but that is not [charcters name] she/he does not look like that butt naked! You got it all wrong silly boy. In that way, generic stereotypes can be countered, at least on a symbolic level.
[/quote]

Personally I doubt they'd go through the trouble of installing safe guards against something like that. They least they could have done was make her look like an actual athletic woman[/quote] They showed Sheploo that much respect.

[Prom001]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 27 février 2012 - 08:52 .

[AlexXIV]

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[HK-90210]

Deviija wrote...


Yes, FemShep is too skinny. There is a difference between being skinny and being muscularly toned skinny. FemShep just looks like she's never lifted weights in her life. Those arms are noodles!

There are many, many, many differeny bodyshapes and bodytypes that are athletic. Being thin and lithe can be athletic -- but not when we're dealing with a character that is military/special ops/etc. background that Shepard has. She should be more muscular and toned. At the very least her proportions should be more like Aveline.

Some people simply do not have muscle tone, no matter how much they work out. After a certain point, what a person looks like has very little bearing on their health and atheletisism. I've seen women with noodle-arms like that who could wip the tar out of me if they wanted to.

You don't have to have muscly arms to kick ass any more than you need wide hips to bear children. It can certainly help in some cases, but it isn't necesary.

[android654]

BobSmith101 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Valikdu wrote...
Especially with taking into account that Shepard has been augmented (insert your own Deus Ex joke here) during Lazarus project and further in ME2 (skin weave / muscle weave / bone weave).

Hell, it can be reasoned that she used to be more muscular before getting killed in the beginning of ME2 and wasn't quite the same after being resurrected. But even that's not needed, see the post above.

There's no need to rationalize this, is called Rule of Sexy, and is ok, I buy it. I just wish BioWare could try to be original and not do what every other game out there does with women.

I don't think you can too critical of Naughty Dog if at all.

Naughty Dog has been very practical to both men and women in their games. They haven't made an effort to make Nathan or Sully a badass, extremely muscular, or a super killer. They haven't tried to make Elena or Chloe sexy or hot. They all dress, act and develop like thier characters would during the current situations.

[Weltenschlange]

zestyshade wrote...
I am not sure how everyone is not tired of boob-armor, belly-plate, and bullet-proof G-strings. They make no sense and serve no purpose other than to entertain the male viewer. If the viewer is that horny, may be the should consider some free online materials for their entertainment.

I myself am very tired of "sexy" armor and lingerie-model-standard heroines.
I also have given up on trying to understand why this stuff is still found in so many games, when in this day and age much more 'stimulating' media is just a mouse-click away.

Regarding the physical appearance of FemShep I'll just say that it could be worse. (But it could also be a lot better.)

And in the spirit of not only talking about female body image let me just add that MaleShep looks a bit too muscular.

The ideal solution would be to have a choice between different body types for Shepard.

Well, maybe next time...

[Capeo]

CastonFolarus wrote...

Deviija wrote...


Yes, FemShep is too skinny. There is a difference between being skinny and being muscularly toned skinny. FemShep just looks like she's never lifted weights in her life. Those arms are noodles!

There are many, many, many differeny bodyshapes and bodytypes that are athletic. Being thin and lithe can be athletic -- but not when we're dealing with a character that is military/special ops/etc. background that Shepard has. She should be more muscular and toned. At the very least her proportions should be more like Aveline.

Some people simply do not have muscle tone, no matter how much they work out. After a certain point, what a person looks like has very little bearing on their health and atheletisism. I've seen women with noodle-arms like that who could wip the tar out of me if they wanted to.

You don't have to have muscly arms to kick ass any more than you need wide hips to bear children. It can certainly help in some cases, but it isn't necesary.

Sorry, that's simply not true.  While some people do have more subcutaneous fat naturally than others with proper diet and a good mix of cardio and weight training anyone can get quite ripped.  Now that doesn't mean huge mass but I don't think anyone is asking for that anyway.  Just a more proportional athletic build.

[AkiKishi]

Best one I can find of Elena.

[Purple Protector]

So we can all come to the conclusion: Femshep is a boy. Oh my gosh

[the_one_54321]

Deviija wrote...
Yes, FemShep is too skinny. There is a difference between being skinny and being muscularly toned skinny. FemShep just looks like she's never lifted weights in her life. Those arms are noodles!

After seeing the pics of her, I don't think "skinny" is at all the issue here. I think the animation or bone structure is just off somehow. Her arms don't look to have a muscle tone issue at all. They just look wrong.

[Darth Asriel]

2 things

1)Gina Carano is one of the hottest, most bad*** people alive. And not a bad actress.
2)Can someone post or message me the pic of fem Shep that has everyone talking?

[Sacae]

Being as the underwear isn't made for this part of the game and therefore probably animated strangely; I don't see much need to be concern. We'll see it once, most likely, and that will look better.

Personally I love the hoodie on Femshep and excited that I'll have it. I wear hoodies all the time. It doesn't look odd to me.

Myself, I'm an overweight female (medically) so maybe I'm not a good judge; but I have a friend about the size of the hoodie pic that is quite strong.

But, most the time its going to be body armor, so it's no issue.

Also, in the demo default outfit looked pretty good to me too.

It's not like it's going to be changed, maybe in future games sure - but for ME3, I think femshep is pretty good.

[Massefeckt]

Gabey5 wrote...

that girl is pretty skinny as well, i can see part of her rib cage

andy69156915 wrote...

And yet... The main complaint was how she had ribs showing through skin, which the women in that GIF does too.

She was at a weigh in, fighters dehydrate themselves so they can make weight hence she looks skinnier than she would have done 24 hrs earlier and 24 hrs after. Carano was known to cut  a large amount of weight to make use of her size in fights.

the_one_54321 wrote...

Gina Carano is a legitimate pro
cage fighter. She's hot, and she's in shape, and she's what someone
looks like when they are built to kick the crap out of people. I approve
of the OP.

She got a real beating last time out and hasn't fought since and probably won't again. She was talented compared to most female fighters but didn't have that killer instinct. She normally fought women who were naturally smaller(she cut a lot of weight) but when she fought someone of a similar build she got beaten down.

tobynator89 wrote...

Muezick wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

I swear, this board....

You wouldn't be satisfied if they let you pick shoesizes

Sheploo player or hollywood indoctrinated drone detected


This
is a serious problem that has persisted for THREE GAMES NOW, the people
who don't think so aren't aware of how reality works.

Hardened soldier = Has muscles

Foot ball cheerleader = is skinny

Which one does femshep look like?

Oh have you been in the military then?

Because
I was a rifleman in the norwegian army and I had a girl in my squad
that were as skinny as Femshep yet hauled  40kg worth of gear in a
backpack and a MG3 with ammo up a mountain every day. We used to call it being indian strong as opposed to arnie strong.

She would have kicked your ass

This. I served in the UK armed forces and met a couple of SAS guys they couldn't be less like the typical hollywood stereo type in either build or attitude.

Capeo wrote...

BillsVengenace wrote...

I don't get the obsession with these fighter women.

Why not just model her after her voice actress Jennifer Hale, who looks like a healthy woman?

Because
FemShep is a super duper elite soldier.  One that at times has gone
hand to hand with a gigantic alien and held her own.  She should look
like a fighter.

Fighters look the way they do because of weight classes not fitness. They have to cut weight so diet and dehydrate themselves this gives them that cut look but in normal life they hold more weight, there are plenty of fighters who hold a little extra around the edges.

As for Shephard she has been off duty and confined to barracks(as far as I've read) she would be at least a little chubbier than normal.

Modifié par Massefeckt, 27 février 2012 - 08:25 .

[Sashimi_taco]

Ok, so this was pretty difficult but I did it. I was suggested to find pro-ana pics and then compare them to the femshep pic so people could get what I'm saying. I went to a pro-ana website and went to the typical "thinspiration" section. jeez.

anyway, compare what sick women find to be "inspiration" for their eating disorders. Major trigger warning.
http://www.prettythi...-beauty/345.jpg

And yes, that is called ana-beauty

to this.



They look quite similar.

Modifié par Sashimi_taco, 27 février 2012 - 08:32 .

[MouseNo4]

Hold everything! Manshep is too buff! Fix him!

[mybudgee]

No one wants a fat woman invading their recreational fiction. Don't we have enough invading every aspect of our real lives as it is??! FFS!!??

[Random citizen]

[quote]android654 wrote...

[quote]Sashimi_taco wrote...

On the topic of her dress, i guess i get it. Sexiness or whatever. However, since it is N7 issued, wouldn't it makes sense for it to be a bit more proffessional?

I wear dresses to work that are similar to this.



That is pretty sexy and professional in my opinion. [/quote]

I think the fact that it's a military issue dress is a bit odd. If they were going to do that, they should've made it look like it was an actual military issue dress.

[quote]zestyshade wrote...I have no doubts that it is in fact deliberate, as this industry is loaded with precedents of female objectification (I am sure I do not need to cite examples).
[/quote]

Ever played a Japanese fighting game? There are all the examples anyone could need.

[quote]Random citizen wrote...
First of all, I agree with that there is a problem in how Bioware depicts men and woman in mass effect and beyond. Just like it is a problem in so many other places (games, mass media etc).

You could actually do somehing against symbolic against all those nude-mods and the like, and that is actually taking the initiative and define show/describe/define how the characters actually look (in one way or the other). Then those artisically responsible can say: Sorry, but that is not [charcters name] she/he does not look like that butt naked! You got it all wrong silly boy. In that way, generic stereotypes can be countered, at least on a symbolic level.
[/quote]

Personally I doubt they'd go through the trouble of installing safe guards against something like that. They least they could have done was make her look like an actual athletic woman[/quote] They showed Sheploo that much respect.

[/quote]

I of course agree with the notion of making her athletic and badass.

[JerZey CJ]

Darth Asriel wrote...
2)Can someone post or message me the pic of fem Shep that has everyone talking?

This, what the hell is everyone on about?

[chengthao]

why do ppl think you need to be butch to be a female in the military? do these ppl even serve in the military? why complain when they have no idea about women in the military? there are plenty of "skinny" women in the military, there are plenty of "skinny" guys in the military as well . . . its not as if every single person in the military is some buffed-up, steroid using GOW character

[Alikain]

Demonique wrote...

Her arms are way too skinny and she has no muscle definition

Something like this would have been much more appropriate

In case it doesn't show, it's a gif of cage-fighter Gina Carano getting ready for a pre-fight weigh-in

Hmmm don't know what to say.....

[AlexXIV]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

People are a diverse collection of different genetics and body types. check out this pictorial (warning: athletes in underwear) featuring the body types of many different athletes. You will see that even among those in the same field of athletics, there is a variety of body shapes and sizes.

Sure, every person has their own stereotypes of what a soldier "should" look like, based on historical depictions of soldiers in media, their own experiences, and what have you. But as the linked pictorial shows, people do come in all shapes and sizes, and perhaps we as a media culture should start accepting that different body shapes can still represent strength.

As someone who has served in the military I can tell you that no woman built like FemShep would be able to do the things she does. I was Air Force, but I served on Army and Naval bases in my duties and while there are planty of petite, attractive women in the service, none of those women were doing anything combat-related that required any physicality. Most of the women who have very physical duties are built more like a Gina Carano(though usually not as toned). I think this is a clear case of form over function.
And just my personal opinion, but Carano is much more attractive than our new canon FemShep.

This is actually the point. If the athlete is for example along distance runner she would of course look different than a gymnastic, etc. Obviously a soldier is supposed to be a sort of allrounder. Needs to carry heavy weight, have endurance, also agility, speed, etc. So unless she's a fat old general she should look like she can actually do the things she does.

[Capeo]

BobSmith101 wrote...



Best one I can find of Elena.

Here's a couple more from 3.